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joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 204
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 7:54 am: |     |
I'm not going to dignify Straw's post with a direct response. I'm personally offended (not to mention befuddled), but hold all of you, detractors included, in a higher regard. |
Jack Straw
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 5175
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 8:00 am: | |
The above poster is a liar..Ignore his childish (I JUST FOUND OUT WHO VIC WAS LAST WEEK) nonsense..
Joel is just another example of what happens when a poster with little intelligence attempts to play ball here on MOL..
Vic does not need nor does he want your support..Go away..
Thanks to you I will be voting for Fred and Ian. 
libs... |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 205
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 8:25 am: | |
"attempts to play ball here on MOL"
Look around, Straw. It's a lonely playground you're on. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6551
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 9:25 am: | |
E-mail from David Huemer this morning
quote:On the "Team DeLuca's Ugly ..." Jack Straw posted that some blog is mine. I have no blog, have never posted on any blog, and wouldn't even be aware of this blog if it weren't posted on MOL. I also know that neither Vic or Celia have anything to do with it either. Straw or anyone else is welcome to email me (my address is on the Township website) or call me if he has any questions about anything. I greatly appreciate anything you can do to help stop this. I am sorry to take your time to get you to regulate this. On the other hand, I am not the one lying.
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aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 260
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 9:38 am: | |
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 3822
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 10:04 am: | |
mem, good idea. The VNDAA should officially declare the following...The Hill, The Shire, The Valley, THe Other Hill, Strawberry Fields, Yonder Woods, SOSO (South of South Orange), Middle Earth, and The Netherwoods. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1256
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 10:20 am: | |
Anybody read Vic DeLuca's flyer in the mail? He certainly does have a selective memory when comparing his record to Profeta and Grodman.
Under property taxes, he makes no mention of the fact that he and Ryan led the revaluation efforts by the town which led to dramatically higher property taxes for many residents and to his eventual loss in the 2003 election. |
Jack Straw
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 5178
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 10:43 am: | |
Johnny has underlined what remains the biggest factor going into the primary. The reval does lives on in memory and will be a hard thing for Vic to shake. |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3217
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 11:00 am: | |
Funny how everyone is talking about Fred and Vic, and no one is talking about Ian. It's as though there's this creature called "Fredian" who, once elected, gets two votes on the TC!
If Ian doesn't have enough of a presence of his own to merit more than the most passing comment here, why is he getting any support? |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1257
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 1:47 pm: | |
I am a supporter of Fred, but even I can admit that Ian, for the most part, follows Fred's lead. |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 965
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 6:29 pm: | |
Mem - thanks for expanding on vic's self centered no helmut needed ruling. That one also upset the police from a safety and crime aspect.
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andream
Citizen
Username: Andream
Post Number: 74
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 9:37 pm: | |
ffof,
I grew up here and never heard so much "east vs. west" divisive talk in this town as with Vic. How in the world is this good for Maplewood? Or does Vic not even understand who we are in Maplewood and what we need? Say whatever works to get the votes. Integrity? Thanks Vic from all of us. |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 207
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 3, 2005 - 1:29 am: | |
"Thanks Vic from all of us"
I'll share that sentiment, but with sincerity. Vic is poised to enhance the integrity of the TC. It's clear the alternative is a TC that thinks and acts alike but for one guy and sometimes another (and that perspective comes from Profeta supporters).
The so-called "east vs. west" conflict is a ridiculous simplification of existing economic frustrations that is convenient in that it requires little extra thought.
Vic is the one who understands, recognizes, and values a city of myriad people. Fred is the one, in my estimation, who understands, recognizes, and values a position of esteem and influence. Plus, I suspect he ideally would have stayed a Republican if it meant he would have had a political shot, and that's a voting issue for me. (but that's another thread).
All that said, I don't claim to speak -- or to thank -- from "all of us." If you're not sure who to believe, then just vote for both, and let Fred work with his majority and Vic and David work to influence decision-making as best they can. |
L'Angelo Misterioso
Citizen
Username: Misterioso
Post Number: 276
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 3, 2005 - 8:46 am: | |
Oh yeah, reflective - Vic is truly concerned about helmuts in town. We need more Klauses, Horsts, and Wilhelms to balance out all those Helmuts. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1258
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 3, 2005 - 9:12 am: | |
I have realized that Maplewood citizens have very short memories.
Back when Ryan, DeLuca, & Huemer were all on the TC, there was very little meaningful debate, very few alternate opinions, lots of 5-0 votes.
Profeta actually brought back some debate to the TC, which I think is good.
It drove Huemer crazy that he could no longer do whatever he wanted. His dislike for Profeta was visible, even tangible, at the meetings I attended. |
sk8mom
Citizen
Username: Sk8mom
Post Number: 199
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 5, 2005 - 4:03 pm: | |
Hey Reflective, want to tell us more about those "minority non-maplewooodians on the basketball courts" that Vic did nothing about?
Everybody on this thread's so busy beating their chests about Fredian vs. Divisive Vic (or beating up on Joel) that this comment is passing for acceptable political discourse? |
overtaxdalready
Citizen
Username: Overtaxdalready
Post Number: 364
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 - 9:50 am: | |
For a better Maplewood,
Defeat Deluca. |
Admiral_dewey
Citizen
Username: Admiral_dewey
Post Number: 5
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 - 11:21 am: | |
From Reflective:
"Well I remember ol' Vic, as mayor, not giving a damn about the complaints of maplewood mothers with their children about the cursing and bad behavior of minority non-maplewooodians on the basketball courts next to the rec center. Another hit to Maplewood's and Memorial Park's quality of life."
Are these the kind of people voting for Fred and Ian?
Who agrees with this kind of statement? |
John Davenport
Citizen
Username: Jjd
Post Number: 552
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 - 1:12 pm: | |
I will vote today for Fred Profeta and Vic Deluca. I also admire Ian Grodman as a very valuable and dedicated public servant, with whom I agree on many issues, but I believe that Deluca will balance out the town committee and bring a lot of energy to the Property Tax convention and other state-wide lobbies.
I believe that Fred has done an excellent job on the single most important issue: getting major development started in the Springfield Avenue area to increase rateables. I also credit him and Ian, along with the rest of the Town Committee, in solving serious problems with our Police satisfaction, promotion, etc. Vic was not as successful in these areas. At the same time, I think Vic's perspective provides a needed balance on things like improving the Hilton district, retaining the Hilton library, opposing cuts to the library budget, supporting the Volunteer First Aid squad, and other quality of life issues. Fred has excellent relations with County government; Vic has strong ties with leaders in the State government.
Finally, I do not believe that the reval of 4 years ago is relevant in this election, for or against Deluca. New issues overshadow this old one now. I continue to believe that Vic and Jerry were unfairly penalized for doing what was morally right: tax valuations were grossly inequitable across town before the reval, whatever the problems with the actual process itself (and here I grant that Vic could have been more sensitive in the early stages, although he helped fix gross errors in the reval later on).
In sum, I see a healthy balance here in voting for both Vic and Fred today. |
wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 1186
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 - 1:15 pm: | |
If you haven't yet voted already John, I suggest you only vote for Vic. If all the people who want Vic AND Fred to be the top two vote getters then that is most likely to happen if you only vote for Vic. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 8713
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 - 1:48 pm: | |
While I think it strange that Vic is running on his own since if he had a running mate he has the chance of having a majority on the TC in his support, I don't have a problem with bullet voting for him.
However, if you truly support two candidates, bullet voting isn't the thing to do. |
wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 7, 2005 - 2:22 pm: | |
I respectfully disagree. If one of the people you support wouldn't have as much of a chance of getting elected unless you bullet voted, then that's the appropriate strategy. |
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