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mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 4863
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 5:58 pm: |     |
This was the email headline I got from friends who were on the fence about who to vote for, and had questions about the election for me since I am a long time resident - I told them to go read MOL. MOL is a great time saver! |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 7209
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 6:03 pm: | |
MOL a great time saver? What a cruel joke you played on them! |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 5717
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 7:12 pm: | |
Mem:
I have to agree. Your friends would be best served by listening to the rebroadcast of the Hilton Debate and speaking directly with each of the candidates. Too many of the campaign-oriented threads on MOL this year require a background obtained only by years of lurking or days spent searching the attic to understand them fully. Even then, some of these threads are beyond comprehension. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 4864
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 7:43 pm: | |
Joan,
As usual, I agree with you. That latest blog is turning people off like crazy - it's so negative. And although I am not one of Vic's minions, I don't believe that blog and the majority of his posters are doing him any service, I keep wondering if they are joking or in perpetual bad moods. People should meet with both candidates, which I also recommend to my friends and others with questions. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 4865
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 7:43 pm: | |
Tom -  |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 955
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 9:46 pm: | |
Tom's not a speed reader,mem |
algebra2
Supporter
Username: Algebra2
Post Number: 3484
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 8:41 am: | |
Last week I met Annette DePalma at the train station and she was so incredibly nice -- it made me think maybe there IS something about Vic, maybe I should look at him more closely and reconsider my vote.
Now, after reading that blog I would never ever ever vote for Vic. I don't know who Primary Source is and I don't understand his intentions. How is Vic going to work with Profeta and/or Grodman and Ken and Kathy when he (or his cohorts or whoever Primary Source is) are tearing them apart?
The vote is for one of a committee, and I think it is important to elect someone who will work together to get things done in Maplewood. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6550
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 9:23 am: | |
E-mail from David Huemer this morning:
quote:On the "Team DeLuca's Ugly ..." Jack Straw posted that some blog is mine. I have no blog, have never posted on any blog, and wouldn't even be aware of this blog if it weren't posted on MOL. I also know that neither Vic or Celia have anything to do with it either. Straw or anyone else is welcome to email me (my address is on the Township website) or call me if he has any questions about anything. I greatly appreciate anything you can do to help stop this. I am sorry to take your time to get you to regulate this. On the other hand, I am not the one lying.
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aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 261
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 9:40 am: | |
Spamalot, anyone? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3218
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 11:06 am: | |
I haven't seen "Primary Source" yet, but I'll have to take a look. Meanwhile, though, the issue of Vic working for the community alongside others he disagrees with is a canard.
When we had problems with New Jersey Transit on the bus issue along Boyden Ave., Vic worked closely with none other than Art Christiansen, staunchest of town Republicans, in pressuring NJT to make changes -- which they did. And I give tremendous credit to both of them for working together to improve the quality of life for residents even though neither of them were in office at the time, and neither of them even live on Boyden Avenue!
No matter what "Primary Source" says, while this was going on, neither Fred nor Ian lifted a finger to help.
For me, local politicans can do two things: affect my quality of life, and help open doors when special circumstances arise. I'm voting a "bullet" for Vic. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 4871
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 11:43 am: | |
Tom,
Read that freaky blog - there is NO WAY Vic will ever work with the TC... |
Robert Livingston
Citizen
Username: Rob_livingston
Post Number: 1037
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 12:06 pm: | |
Mem,
Do you really think you are not doing the same as what you accuse Vic supporters of doing? Words you have ascribed people who favor Vic: pathetically nasty, uneducated, mean, humorless, childish, cheap and tacky, to name a few. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 4873
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 12:16 pm: | |
RL,
I am NOT ascribing the words to PEOPLE, only their actions through their words. Big difference: I don't know who those people are, they may be perfectly rational and decent in person, but mention Fred's name and obviously they go into rages, then post and spew venom, lies and nonsense like Linda Blair. It's the truth, I think they are ACTING very badly on MOL, and with that freakazoid blog as well of course. I have received dozens of emails from friends, relatives, my newer neighbors, etc. about the election, and every one of them use the same words to describe the MOL posts of Vic supporters. So what is your point then? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3221
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 12:18 pm: | |
The blog is a laff riot, I've even bookmarked it, but what does that have to do with Vic's own behavior? Nothing some anonymous blogger writes changes facts.
I've seen him, with my own eyes, work with opponents to get things done. I've been in the room, at the meetings. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1207
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 12:27 pm: | |
Regarding the Blog that supports Vic Deluca-
Birds of a feather, flock together. |
PrimarySource
Citizen
Username: Primarysource
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 1:15 pm: | |
Lunchtime laff riot!
check out the latest:
http://maplewoodps.blogspot.com/
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3223
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 1:36 pm: | |
except this time it's the clown parade that's not laughing... |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 7218
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 4:18 pm: | |
So lumpyhead, I guess you believe in guilt by association? We have laws to the contrary. Freedom of assembly and all that rot. |
lumpyhead
Citizen
Username: Lumpyhead
Post Number: 1208
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 4:26 pm: | |
Tom- Calm down. It's just something my mother always told me. |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 964
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 6:25 pm: | |
David H's disclaimer. Why didn't he post on the blog? Why didn't he start his own thread to post his denial.
Dave (R) you fell into his trap. You gave him respectability in the form of preferred treatment.
Which as you know- is your right, but you just created a precedent for other posters who think they have been wronged and who will look to you to give them a billboard.
Dave H scores a point for this one. At Dave R's and MOL's expense.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6558
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 6:27 pm: | |
I still have more points than anyone else. |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 966
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 6:34 pm: | |
Granted, but Dave H's award was worth 10 points.
And you do have many more points, well deserved for creating, managing and overseeing a fair, generally civil and always entertaining web site.
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tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3225
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 10:26 pm: | |
This is all too much. In an age where right-wing political pundits all but call for the extermination of liberals, all of a sudden a few jokes on a blog are just too, too much. Can't we all just please be civil, they ask, starting with: you don't say anything bad about my guy.
Back in the day, if Burr was pissed at Hamilton he shot him dead. Or if Charles Sumner annoyed some rabid slaveholder he'd be beaten to within an inch of his life on the very floor of the United States Senate! Not that anyone condones that kind of thing, but please use that as your measure of what's beyond the pale, politically, not "Delayed necessary improvements to Springfield Ave."
Not that any of this has any effect, because it's the same old disingenuous crap we got during campaign 2004, when anything bad said about GWB was just, just horrifying, meanwhile the Swift Boat guys are calling Kerry a baby killer and trashing his wife for giggles. Civility is all well and good -- as long as it gives you the partisan advantage.
But meanwhile, "Extended Township Committee meetings at Town Hall until 3:30 AM." is just an awful thing to say about Fred; But at least three accusations in the last week of illegal activity (don't worry, it's all trivial) go right by.
I read that the National Spelling Bee is this week. How do you spell, "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y"? |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 88
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 10:52 pm: | |
whoah!!!!!!!a tongue lashing by tom, then it turns out it's just another my-man-Deluca post.
Oh, what's the word?...boring. Oh no, hypocrisy. Can you say that? |
wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 1167
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 2, 2005 - 11:21 pm: | |
I can say tom is right on and is actually seeing things clearly. He said hypocrisy just fine in a quite correct context. Getting a little crabby, crabby? |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 206
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 3, 2005 - 1:09 am: | |
If either of these candidates were judged by the civility of their supporters on MOL, both would be out of it by now. If you meet and talk to people who know Vic well, you'll know he's a great guy and a great civil servant. I don't care what any blog has to say to the contrary and have been ridiculed on blogs myself.
If you're on the fence, my recommendation is to vote for both Fred and Vic. Clearly they're the two most passionate people running and, as big boys, can and will work out their differences on the TC. Don't cop out by voting primarily by association. I may have suggested before that some might be tempted -- I like to know what Straw thinks so I make sure to consider the opposite -- but I don't recommend it as a primary voting issue. There are plenty of good and more than a few bad reasons to vote for either Fred or Vic. As for Ian, there seem to be no reasons to vote for or against -- he hasn't defined himself except as a mouthpiece for Fred.
Knowing as much as I do, I support Vic without any reservation. |
Chris Prenovost
Citizen
Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 412
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 3, 2005 - 12:41 pm: | |
When your boy 'Vic' was mayor, this town was a divided, rancorous environment where the mayor and his minions practiced class warfare to a high art, huge tax increases were stuffed down our throats on a regular basis, and the most important decisions were made in secret.
Whether you like or dislike Profeta, he has changed the tone of this town. We are no longer screaming at each other, and decisions are out in the open.
Why some people want to turn back the clock is beyond me. |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 969
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 3, 2005 - 7:04 pm: | |
Chris
It started with GRASP....I think they are Vic's moveon.com stormtroopers.(IMHO)
The tone is therefore, obvious
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