| Author | Message | ||
     Lucifer Citizen Username: Lucifer Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2005 |
I have seen some posts asking about candidate coffees. I was invited to one tonight for Vic at 730pm at 561 prospect st. Its being hosted by a woman named suzanne and im told all are welcome. | ||
| mplwdian Citizen Username: Mplwdian Post Number: 82 Registered: 3-2003 |
Lucifer- Let us all know if Vic tells the crowd that Fred only represents rich Repubicans up on the hill and doesn't care about them. I hear that's his usual pitch. Very substantive. Great for the town. Shows a lot of integrity. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1082 Registered: 5-2001 |
Did you hear that yourself? We often hear what we want to hear. | ||
| mplwdian Citizen Username: Mplwdian Post Number: 83 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hear what we want to hear? Wendy, please! Actually, it saddens me that anyone running for public office in this town stoops so low. It is an insult to the voters. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 1083 Registered: 5-2001 |
Again I ask, did you hear that yourself? It saddens me that people say such things about someone running for pubic office when I highly doubt they were uttered. | ||
| chickadee Citizen Username: Chickadee Post Number: 49 Registered: 6-2002 |
I was at a coffee for Vic and mplwdian has the meaning behind the words correct, but not the exact words. Vic stated that the mayors of Maplewood have all been from "that side of town-across the tracks" He feels that there should be representation from the other side of Maplewood. Personally, I don't think it should matter where one lives as long as he/she has the best interest of the entire town in mind. On the current town council, there are members who reside on this side of the train-Huemer, Leventhal, Pettis, and Grodman, so I am not sure what Vic is trying to say about lack of representation. | ||
| jem Citizen Username: Jem Post Number: 1290 Registered: 5-2001 |
I actually hosted a coffee for Vic a few days ago, and there was not one mention or intimation even close to what chickadee or mplwdian describe. In the hour and a half that the coffee lasted, Vic spoke about his background, his record and the differences in approach to issues affecting Maplewood - both currently and going forward - between him and the incumbents. There was nothing at all like Mplwdian's characterization of Vic's "pitch" to be heard on Monday evening. | ||
| chickadee Citizen Username: Chickadee Post Number: 50 Registered: 6-2002 |
Maybe he is saying different things at different coffees. Also, I will add that he did not perseverate on this topic, it was just one part of his speech, but he did not elaborate on what he would do differently. Jem, I would have liked to been at your coffee-sounds like he laid out his vision much better. I also wasn't able to attend the Hilton Debate. Does anyone know when they are broadcasting it on CCN? | ||
| trapper Citizen Username: Trapper Post Number: 197 Registered: 8-2002 |
I haven't been to every coffee for Vic. But I have heard the divisiveness for years. Our side vs. their side. Rich vs. poor. Black vs. White. Republican vs. Democrat. Real democrat vs. progressive democrat. I have heard, jem, vic express concerns about Mayors being from the Hill, or West side or other side of the tracks. For 22 years, Grasmere was Mayor (Euclid) For 3 years, Davenport was Mayor (Durand) For 3 Years, Ryan was Mayor (Hickory) When Liebman wanted a turn, his rightful turn as the next in seniority, as Wendy asserts, DeLuca argued this very point. Liebman (Euclid) would have been yet another Mayor residing on the hill within a few short blocks of the other former Mayors. Deluca was very vocal about moving the mayorship away from the hill. This was all part of his us vs. them arguement that is still his tactic today. Here's a map of the current TC members homes. Roughly.  Seems pretty well spread out over all of Maplewood to me. I don't for a minute doubt DeLuca is talking about Profeta (Hickory) living on the hill as being a reason to not vote for him | ||
| jem Citizen Username: Jem Post Number: 1291 Registered: 5-2001 |
Spread out? I don't think of Euclid, Durand and Hickory as "spread out." Now that you put it that way and illustrate it in living black, red, and white, the point that was made at the time of not always having a mayor who resides in the western side of town actually makes sense. And I'm hearing and feeling a lot more of "us versus them" from you than from Vic. | ||
| chickadee Citizen Username: Chickadee Post Number: 51 Registered: 6-2002 |
Jem, trapper is referring to the current town council whose members are spread throughout Maplewood. It does look representative of the entire town. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 6505 Registered: 4-1997  |
Note that previous committeepeople are not plotted, only mayors. | ||
| chickadee Citizen Username: Chickadee Post Number: 52 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oops, I just read the text, didn't pay attention to the map. thanks. | ||
| trapper Citizen Username: Trapper Post Number: 198 Registered: 8-2002 |
"Note that previous committeepeople are not plotted, only mayors." Dave, no, that is the current TC members. Right, if the TC from 10 years ago were plotted, it would be more western-oriented. (pardon the pun) But it's not lopsided now. It's as spread out as it's ever been. So the claims of needing representation on other sides of town can be put to rest. | ||
| trapper Citizen Username: Trapper Post Number: 199 Registered: 8-2002 |
"And I'm hearing and feeling a lot more of "us versus them" from you than from Vic." Oh really, jem. Do explain. | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 100 Registered: 3-2005 |
I'm hearing it, too, trapper, in most of your posts. They really do sound like an "us" effort. Especially when you post things like "I haven't been to every coffee for Vic." Why not? You were able to be at Dehart center for the debate while simultaneously posting on line -- and told an NJCA cavasser you were voting for Vic DeLuca while attacking anybody who supports Vic online. Multiple personalities for MOL? Back to the issue: It's just a fact that Vic was the first Mayor of Maplewood in most peope's memory not to come from a very tiny portion of the town. And it was more than just the Mayor's seat. The town was politically dominated by voters in the upper Ridgewood area. (Even Ellen Davenport will tell you that). What matters in terms of representation is WHOSE VOICES ARE HEARD? During the Bette White debacle, petitioners presented Maplewood's Mayor with a list of 1600 signatures of Maplewoodians who did not want the Mayor not to close the children's dance center. The Mayor's response was to say he wasn't interested in the petition if it didn't contain names of people he respected. | ||
| chickadee Citizen Username: Chickadee Post Number: 53 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Mayor actually said that he did not respect the persons whose names were on the petition? I find that hard to believe. Is that an exact quote? It seems that you are doing exactly what you are accusing trapper of doing-putting words in candidate's mouths. | ||
| wharfrat Citizen Username: Wharfrat Post Number: 1849 Registered: 6-2001 |
Sure did chickadee. In addition when public opposition to the Bette White police site grew both Fred Profeta and Ian Grodman took the public position that the "timing" of the public protest threatened orderly government. In fact, somewhere in the Snooze-Wrecker archives there is an editorial, or letter saying just that, and it is signed by Fred. Then when 1600 Maplewood citizens demanded a referendum be held so that the citizenry could decide, democratically, whether or not to take the drastric step of closing viable businesses, Fred Profeta and Ian Grodman appropriated $1,000 of taxpayer money to conduct a "scientific poll" to figure out what they should do. Based on the poll results, they did a complete about-face reversing their decision. | ||
| mplwdian Citizen Username: Mplwdian Post Number: 84 Registered: 3-2003 |
I just heard that Vic is telling coffee goers that Profeta and Grodman are proposing 60 story buildings for Springfield Ave. Say it isn't so! Can you imagine Maplewood being home to the tallest building in the state? That's a good one. These scare tactics have to stop. Whether is "They only represent the rich" "They will throw you out of your rent controlled apartment" "They're going to bulldoze your home or business" "They are going to put big box retailers on Sprinfield Ave." the desperation of the DeLuca camp shines through. | ||
| ffof Citizen Username: Ffof Post Number: 3811 Registered: 5-2001  |
k to trapper, "You were able to be at Dehart center for the debate while simultaneously posting on line". You swallowed this line by , I think Woodster, hook line and sinker.  When was that post? When did the debate start? For that matter, when did it finish? |
