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dominique vitali
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 10:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I was just wondering if anyone knew who to talk to in this town about alternates to Waste Management. In a previous blog, someone mentioned that thier "exclusivity contract" was almost up, and I was wondering if the town was persuing other options. I have friends and familly in neighboring towns who don't have limits on the number of bags of trash, and have bulk pick-up every week. The companies they use (which they dont pay for, but its instead included in their taxes...which are lower btw) are Angelo Miele company and the Rosselli Brothers. Maybe its time to make a change around here...
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tom
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Post Number: 3543
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 12:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I used Angelo Miele when I was having my basement renovated. He was absolutely terrific to work with and extremely reasonable.
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dominique vitali
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 1:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do you think the town would ever consider a contract with a different company other than WM?
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us2inFL
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Username: Us2innj

Post Number: 1351
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 1:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

... sleep with the fishes
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk

Post Number: 9322
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 1:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think the TC should look at other carters. However, since we have rear yard pickup (most other towns don't) and pay directly it is hard to compare our current service with other towns.

Does Miele have the contract for Union? I think I have seen their trucks there.
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weekends
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 1-2002
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 3:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why on earth do we have rear yard pickup? I don't like it.
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dominique vitali
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 3:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would rather pay less, not have a bag limit, have bulk pick-up every week and not have rear yard pickup. How do you contact the TC?
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Bob K
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Post Number: 9327
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Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 3:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Most of the TC members monitor this board. Also, there is contact information on the town web site.

You don't really know what other towns are paying, since it is hidden in their taxes. I doubt if your wish list could be accomplished at a savings to be quite honest about it.
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Scully
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Username: Scully

Post Number: 8
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe the rear yard pickup is the reason we get less service? It's labor intensive, they have to save the bucks somehow.

I'd be in favor of dropping it in exchange for more bulk pickups and higher (or no) limits on the number of bags put out daily.
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mrmaplewood
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Username: Mrmaplewood

Post Number: 240
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 4:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't is strange how some things change slowly! I have always just put trash into my container as is, however in paper grocery bags. Now most people are convinced that in order to be picked up their trash has to be bagged in plastic sacks.

And what baffles me most, I have neighbors who insist in dragging their containers out to the street, even though they pay for backyard pickup. Have you ever seen the sorry state of Short Hills on pickup day when there is a strong wind? Unsightly cans and lids all over the street. It's an odd combination of upscale and third world. We are so fortunate here.
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Joan
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Username: Joancrystal

Post Number: 6265
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 4:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The TC election season should be starting any day now. During past pre-election seasons, most of the TC could be found on most Saturday mornings near the post office or the bank across the street from the post office and this is highly likely to be the case this fall.

It has been my experience that they all welcome talking over concerns with their constituents. Vic, who was previously on the TC and Bart who is also running for the TC but has no prior TC experience would also be good persons to talk with about the garbage pick-up situation. If enough people feel strongly about this issue and make their concerns known, it could become an issue in the upcoming campaign.
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dominique vitali
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 9
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 4:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll keep my eyes open for vic or Bart- thanks for the tip. In terms of "being fortunate here", I used to think that until I started meeting people from other towns, and began to start doing some math and wondering why my taxes were so much higher than theirs, and why their town seems to provide so much more to their citizens...
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gj1
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Post Number: 221
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wouldn't mind a different carting company or better arrangements for bulk pick-up or rolling the fees into our taxes. However, I would not want to lose rear yard service. What's not to like about it?
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tom
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Post Number: 3554
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

speaking of paper vs. plastic bags, a couple times a summer I'll use up a big bag of charcoal. So I put the bag in the can. And they leave it behind.

Apparently it has to be in a bag.

But it IS a bag. Maybe they only take bags if I put something else in it ... ?
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Noglider
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Post Number: 9340
Registered: 1-2003


Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The garbage service is not the reason for the high taxes.

I like the rear yard pickup, but to each his own. If you want to bring your pails to the curb, you still can.

The committee members and their contact information are on this page: http://tinyurl.com/7lcqe
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13

Post Number: 2344
Registered: 1-2004


Posted on Friday, September 9, 2005 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Waste Management is one of the largest trash haulers in the state. Sadly, I doubt any other company is going to want to step on their toes. South Orange disposal is even worse.
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galileo
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Username: Galileo

Post Number: 193
Registered: 7-2001
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 12:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Years ago prior to WM ,Miele was our garbage company !! I don't remember why they were dropped but there was definitely a reason.
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Rebecca Raines
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Username: Robin_realist

Post Number: 422
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 4:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've had the same experience with them leaving things that were in bags other than plastic. They also sometimes take things out of bags that are sticking up, like a cardboard tube. Unfortunately, I've had them leave the cardboard tubes behind on recycling days also.

However, I really can't complain because lately I've been putting out an extra bag or two next to the cans most weeks and they've been taking them. It's amazing what you find while cleaning out the attic, etc in preparation for the move. I'm so glad they've been taking the extra, because I don't know what I would do with all that garbage if they didn't. R
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Bob K
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Post Number: 9331
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Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Galileo you must have been here a really long time. :-)

Prior to Waste Management buying them out the contract was with a local firm, I think the name was Maplewood Disposal, who took over from Browning Ferris, who took over (under very questionable circumstances) from another local firm, the principals of which were the same or similar to those of Maplewood Disposal.

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Joan
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Username: Joancrystal

Post Number: 6270
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 6:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maplewood Disposal, which had one of the most reasonable rates in the region, applied for a rate increase which was denied. Their contract was then awarded to BF at a rate considerably higher than Maplewood Disposal was requesting.
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dom
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 10
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 8:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I assume Maplewood Disposal doesnt exist anymore? why did they switch from BF to WM? and what do you think the chances are of switching from WM to a company another town uses that is actually better?
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eb1154
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Username: Eb1154

Post Number: 395
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 8:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BFI had the contract when I came in to town. They no longer wanted the contract so they offered $15k plus 5 packer trucks to the town to get someone else to take the contract. Mountain Disposal took the offer and leased the trucks from the town for one dollar a year for five years and then they took possesion of these trucks. They were then bought out by WM and that is where we stand now.

The town is currently looking in to the trash collection system.

Eric
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dom
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 1:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is the letter I have sent to the Town Council Members.

Dear Mr.Profeta,

I wanted to write and express some concerns that I have been having as a citizen of Maplewood. We moved to this town about three years ago from Brooklyn NY, with our twin daughters. When we first moved here, we loved this town and were recommending it to all our friends and family who were slowly migrating from NY to NJ. Unfortunately, the longer we live here, and the more we learn about the surrounding towns and how much more "bang they get for their buck", the less we have been inclined to tell anyone to come here to live.
While we appreciate the wonderful schools and pretty streets and parks, it seems that the services that the actual town provides for its citizens are few and far between.
The first situation that I want to tackle is garbage pick-up. My question is twofold.
1. All the surrounding towns have their garbage pick-up included in their LOWER taxes. How is it possible that we pay so much more, and yet we still have to pay for garbage pick-up on top of that?
2. Can the town find a new garbage pick-up company? If you go onto maplewoodonline.com, onto their message-board, you will see there are many, many complaints about the level of service provided by this company. All of the towns surrounding us use companies such as Angelo Miele, or the Rosselli Brothers. These companies provide WEEKLY bulk pick-up, recycling of plastic as well as glass and paper, no bag limit, and they don't go snooping through your garbage, leaving behind bags that contain things like grass clippings, or God-forbid something like shrubbery. I have been informed that WM's exclusivity contract is almost up, and I would like the town to consider using a different company. Since we are the ones paying for the service, I would like to know how I can be informed about who is competing, and what the competing companies offer as services. Please let me know how one can become involved in this process, and maybe by changing things little by little, I can once again recommend this town as good place to live, with a clear conscience.

Thank you so much for your time and attention.

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AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater

Post Number: 968
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 1:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

In another recent thread, someone who worked for the township explained that the most expensive aspect to our garbage pickups is the Backyard Pickup service. Just search around MO/L for a recent garbage thread.

The backyard pickup is signficant enough of a charge that it's elimination would allow for many many many services that people want (things like Bulk pickup, unlimited bag pick up instead of two can, year round leaf/yard debris pickup).

Hey, backyard pickup is unique and convenient, I'll give you that. But at what cost do you need this convenience? I personally agree with Dominique, Waste Management has gotten too big for it's britches, and we need to AT LEAST consider a new vendor or give the townspeople options. Monopolies are evil and drive up prices. Proven by the current state of Maplewood ever decreasing garbage service.

And if the mafia forces our town council into keeping WM then I would gladly eliminate backyard pickup for the gain of some of the other services I mentioned above.

That's a GREAT letter Dom. I'm very impressed.
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LilLB
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Username: Lillb

Post Number: 887
Registered: 10-2002


Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 1:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just curious - Why do people need BULK pickup every week? How much bulk waste do people have that would necessitate that? I can barely find enough bulk waste to put out on bulky waste day once/twice per year.

I also find the limit of two 30 gallon cans, twice/week more than adequate. Sixty gallons of trash is a lot to build up in 3 days time. Only time I go over is if we had a party.

IMHO - Rear yard pickup is one of the greatest use of my tax money.
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dom
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Username: Dom

Post Number: 12
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 2:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well, everyone has their own needs. We have 2 kids who grown out of alot of "stuff" and we also entertain alot, plus our house isnt one of the larger ones. You're lucky to have to room for everything...
What does IMHO stand for? (I'm relatively new to this blog thing...)
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AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater

Post Number: 969
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 2:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

LilB, the issue isn't that we NEED bulk pickup every week, it is rather that we can utilize the extra convenience if we need to. By that I mean, if we buy new appliances, we don't have to store them LITERALLY FOR A YEAR (since it's now once a year pickup) to have them taken. In other towns you can just call the township and let them know you are putting them out, and they let you. Now THAT is service.

Honestly Lil, do you even really put out the trash. My wife forces me to do it, which is why I suspect she hasn't chimed in on this thread. Yeah, I know it's sexist of me to say that, but she is the one being sexist NOT ME!!! I'd be happy if she put out the trash.

In My Humble Opinion, and we are utilizing a Bulletin Board not a Blog. A blog is webpage that usually one person posts on usually making very regular updates to. Sorta like a diary, but it certainly doesn't have to be touchy feely like a diary. Very often they are used to comment on the news or current industry trends, etc.
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TomD
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Username: Tomd

Post Number: 218
Registered: 5-2005


Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've also been curious about the rear yard pickup. I can only imagine that it's much more work for the WM guys and that it makes garbage pickup in Maplewood a fair amount more expensive. We leave our recycling on the curb, why can't we put the garbage on the curb like most other towns? Perhaps then there would be enough saving for another few bulk pickups?

In general, I don't really have any complaints against WM, sometimes I put out more garbage then my allotment and sometimes they take it and sometimes they don't, but eventually, we reach the point where all the trash is gone.
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LilLB
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Post Number: 889
Registered: 10-2002


Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 4:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Alley - I'll have you know I take out the garbage far more often than my hubby does. That goes for the recycling too.

As for the weekly bulk pickup - I understand it's a convenience thing, but I guess I'd rather not have my tax money go toward that service -- it's not a service that would be utilized frequently enough by each household to justify it in my opinion. I'd rather pay the guys 20 bucks to haul my old appliance away than having to find a space for it.

I like the rear yard pickup, not only for convenience (it's one less thing I have to remember to do by not having to bring it out to the curb), but curb side is really unsightly. Drive through a town that has curbside pickup and you'll see garbage cans all over the place because when they were empty - they ended up getting blown all over the place. At least we don't live in Wellesley, Mass. where my brother lives - they aren't allowed to have garbage cans at all outside - they have to actually bring their garbage in their car to the dump... Yeachhhh...
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ashear
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Post Number: 1962
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Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dom - If your kids are growing out of stuff there are lots of charities that will come pick it up, we just had the Viet Nam Vets of America pick up a ton of stuff.

I suspect the reason other towns have lower taxes and more services has more to do with their comercial tax bases than with what company they use to haul trash.
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Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl

Post Number: 1789
Registered: 9-2003


Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 7:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Count me in as a citizen who (1) Is really PO'ed that Fall bulk pickup is cancelled, and (2) would happily bring my trash cans to the street. Given all of the recycling rules and regs, it is really tough to get rid of one's trash. I can't believe people happily giftwrap and sort bottles, plastics and paper yet crab about bringing cans to the street.

Personally, I avoid all the sorting to the extent possible. I'm convinced that most of the time it's a PC, feel-good ruse. But, this business of getting rid of appliances great and small, odd things to big for garbage is a righteous drag. Everywhere I've lived there was a once a month "bulk" option -- and we took cans to the street.
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gtonne
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Re: Dom - It has never occurred to me to judge the quality of a town based on it's garbage pick-ups. I love it !!

Would you really have not decided to move here if you knew more about the garbage service ahead of time?
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gtonne
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Post Number: 69
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 8:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Re: Dom - It has never occurred to me to judge the quality of a town based on it's garbage pick-ups. I love it !!

Would you have not decided to move here if you knew more about the garbage service ahead of time?
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Bob K
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Post Number: 9342
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 8:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would also trade rear pickup for another bulk trash day.

As pointed out earlier, we already lug recycling to the curb. Also, those of us who pay for the garden debris pickup also lug that stuff to the curb.
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weekends
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Post Number: 66
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 8:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a bunch of hothouse flowers we are here in Maplewood, so much more delicate than those hillbillies in Short Hills. Trash cans at the street are, gasp, "unsightly." They might even get blown over by the wind! I think I'm going to faint.

Where I grew up, you bought rolls of plastic trash bags from the town. Those were the only trash bags that the garbage collectors would pick up, at the curb. You could use as many as you wanted; you just bought another roll when you needed it.
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Cynicalgirl
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Post Number: 1790
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, is unsightly one of the rationales? Tee-hee. Half the time the garbage men leave my trash cans, lid less, in the driveway where I park rather than returning them to behind the gate. Plus, they do that cute thing with sort of "staging" the plastic bags at the street.

Maybe they don't do this in the pricier neighborhoods, but they sure do where I live in M'wood.
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dom
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 9:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

gtonne, as I said in my letter, trash pick-up is the first of the things I am trying to change. When my kids are in the school system, I will pursue issues like why are we the only town to not have public preschool? why are we the only town to have only a half-day kindergarden. Why, in West Orange for example, do they have automatic day care for the kids in the afternoons for first grade onwards, that you dont have to wait on a line all night to get, or hope that your kids is chosen from a lottery. The list is long, and you have to start somewhere...
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dom
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Post Number: 14
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 10:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

actually, let me clarify so that it doesnt sound so negative. My family loves this town and we are very happy here. The schools are supposed to be great (the girls arent in them yet, but thats what I heard) the parks are beautiful, the shops are quaint, but why not try to make it even better? If there are little things that can be fixed, why settle for less?
Ken Pettis actually took the time to phone me last night to talk about the trash situation. He said that WMs contract is up, and the TC is looking into other options.
As i get more information, I will post it...
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aquaman
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love it. Brooklynites move here and develop laundry lists of all the things wrong with Maplewood. They begin a campaign of changing things, one at a time, starting with garbage pick-up. Without knowing much about the history or the facts, they begin to lobby the mayor.

Don't get me wrong, they love the town, but....


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wendy
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Post Number: 1614
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

hey there aqua. I agree! I just would have added a bit more detail to flesh out the "history" and the "facts" part of your response. Dom finds Maplewood quaint. Yes it is. More quaint than West Orange or Livingston because we don't have room for malls, large commercial areas, etc. I wonder if Dom knows that our tax base is composed of 95% residential (I think that's right). So Dom, how about a little energy into looking at what property taxes fund and what percentage of those taxes goes to the schools, the county and our town (in order of descending percentage)?

Which is not to say I wouldn't mind getting rid of rear yard pickup if we can get more bulk days or something else with that alleged savings.
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dom
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Post Number: 15
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh I realize all that, and hopefully the 3 new redevelopement programs that they are implementing will help with the commercial vs residential tax situation. I also realize that most of our taxes do go towards education, the funny thing is that somehow our money went towards giving the superintendant and administrators large raises, while our teachers are out there marching for a contract. I've been doing my homework, but just picking my battles. What is wrong with changing things if the status quo isnt working? And what is wrong with contacting the people who can actually make change happen instead of just complaining online?
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dom
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Post Number: 16
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Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm outta here. Its way too snippy for me...
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ffof
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Username: Ffof

Post Number: 3974
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like WM and I've lived here for 15 years. If you'd like to move to any of the other towns, by all means, go for it. But scratch the surface of any town, and, well, you know, there will be all kinds of garbage, if you get my drift.
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AlleyGater
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Post Number: 980
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

dom, don't let them bully you. The MOL riff raff are so heavy handed sometimes. I'm glad you are doing something (like speaking to the right people) rather than complaining on MOL all day long.

Fudgem is what I say.
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Bob K
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Post Number: 9345
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 1:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A few points about municipal and school finance as applied to Maplewood and South Orange:

1. We have very few commercial rateables and certainsly nothing to compare to Short Hills Mall, Livinston Mall or even Essex Green in West Orange. This puts the financial burden on homeowners.

2. We have a large school system that grew by a third in the middle 1990s because of younger families moving here, the baby boom echo and ethnic changes. While spending per student is reasonable, the pure size of the system makes for a very hefty overall cost.

3. The Township is not overspending, nor wasting money. Even a relatively minor service cut back (the second bulk pickup day) causes a more than minor backlash. We expect a minimum level of service and rightly so. The issue is how to pay for it.

4. If, and I admit it is still an if (a pretty big one at that) the development on Springfield Avenue and at the old Universal Chain site on Burnett will result in a significant increase in tax revenue. However, to some, especially those living nearby, this is rapidly becoming a NIMBY issue and may never materialize.

5. County taxes in Essex County tend to be higher than in surrounding counties.



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LilLB
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Post Number: 895
Registered: 10-2002


Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 2:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Moving your recycling to the curb twice per month is a lot different than having to take your trash to the curb twice per week.... It's not the same at all. I don't even need to bring out the recycling more than once/month to the curb - not enough to put out.

Did I mention I LOVE rear-yard pickup?
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Joan
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Post Number: 6283
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 4:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Rear yard garbage pick-up has been a controversial topic for at least the 25 years that this transplanted Brooklynite has lived in Maplewood. It is clearly a premium service and one that we pay for. As municipal costs continue to rise and residents become less able to pay the continuing increase in real property taxes, we may reach the point where we have to give up rear yard pick-up and get nothing more than a lesser tax increase in return.

Another controvery which surfaces from time to time and which I would like the TC to consider in their deliberations is whether households should be charged according to the amount of garbage they generate (a by the bag fee if you will) rather than the current flat fee we all pay now. Switching to this sort of service would encourage conservation and recycling, and allow households to have some control over what they pay in garbage pick up costs. Such a plan would not be very different from most other utilities which charge by the unit of service as opposed to a flat fee.
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Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
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Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 5:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I am writing from SO, where we have similar problems. Another alternative is to switch to automated garbage collection. We already require recycling to use toters that can be lifted by the truck itself. If similar trucks and toters were used for home refuse, theoretically a smaller crew could be used for a longer route, saving money overall. Of course, you still have the upfront cost of the toters and the automated truck . . .
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eb1154
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Username: Eb1154

Post Number: 396
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Joan,
As I have previously stated the TC is currently looking at the trash pick-up service and one of the ideas being talked about is the "pay as you throw" ideas. You are correct in that it will increase recycling (which is down through out the entire state)and you would only pay for what you use. I am waiting for some more info to be sent to me so we can review the whole concept.

Eric Burbank
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wendy
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Username: Wendy

Post Number: 1623
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Eric, thanks for being so generous with sharing your knowledge with us.

Wendy Lauter
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AlleyGater
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Username: Alleygater

Post Number: 984
Registered: 10-2004
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah, thanks Eric. I totally agree, you definitely have MUCH more concrete information than the rest of us. I appreciate your sharing it with us.

Alley Gater

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