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Peter
Citizen
Username: Peter
Post Number: 90
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 2:09 pm: |     |
Please join your neighbors and friends at a coffee and
pre-election campaign rally for
Mayor Fred Profeta
Vic DeLuca
the Democratic candidates for Maplewood Township Committee
Sunday November 6, 2005
3:00- 5:00
at the home of Katrine and Peter Shelton
Kids welcome
RSVP to Peter via PL
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 2812
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 5:40 pm: | |
I think it's great two men who once ran against each other for a position on the TC can put their differences aside and join together for the good of the town! Best wishes to them... |
Peter
Citizen
Username: Peter
Post Number: 92
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 10:05 pm: | |
My email for PLs has been down since Saturday. If you've RSVP'd, please do so again so I can send our address.
Thanks. |
Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6134
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 8:06 pm: | |
Thanks for the invite. I won't be able to attend but believe it or not, I the great Straw will be voting for both Fred and Vic.
Why would a proud Republican vote for 2 dems?
Thanks for asking! Here's why.
Local elections come down to those who are willing to be active in their duties. Vic has demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that he does indeed care about Maplewood and he very much wants to be involved. He's a good guy and as opposed to Pettis/Leventhal/Humer, he will work night and day for our community and that's all anyone can ask. Also, frankly Vic has been on the receiving end of some very unfair comments over the years, especially here on MOL. I was among those dragging his name through the mud. Vic's response? He never quit, he kept pushing and in the end he did what few thought he could, get back to the TC. I respect him very much as a result.
As for Fred, Voting for the big P is a no brainer as well. It's guys like Fred who give Italians a good name.
SO ELECTION DAY, VOTE FOR VIC & FRED! Tell em Straw sent you. |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 4768
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 6:49 am: | |
It's guys like Fred who give Italians a good name.
does that imply that Italians need good folks to give them a good name? Im curious, having had two grandparents who emigrated here from Italy.
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Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6136
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 9:33 am: | |
Exactly.
Libs here in Maplewood assume all New Jersey Italians are in the mob because of the Sopranos.
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Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 4773
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 12:11 pm: | |
Come on, you can backpedal better than that.
By the way, some of the most liberal folks I know in Maplewood are Italian-Americans, and a good number of Italian-Americans, of any political leaning, would find your comments offensive to some degree. Surely, if the shoe was on the other foot, you'd be one of the first ones to say something. |
Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6137
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 1:25 pm: | |
Screw em if they can't take a joke. |
Parkbench87
Citizen
Username: Parkbench87
Post Number: 2703
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 1:38 pm: | |
Hank,
You'd have a more logical discussion with my 3 year old. Of course his original statement was not a joke, and his attempt to back out of this one is piss poor. |
Fruitcake
Citizen
Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 231
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 1:38 pm: | |
Where's the joke? I must have missed it. |
Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6138
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 1:46 pm: | |
I said that Fred gives a good name to Italians.
In other words I may have offended a few morons. Nothing to worry about. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14126
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 2:16 pm: | |
Hank,
Some of us non-Italians and/or non-libs find the comments (very) offensive.
A Poopyhead Award is hereby awarded to Strawberry.
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Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6141
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 2:31 pm: | |
Look,
I have no problem with Italians so just cut the crap. Bunch of dopes.
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Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 614
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 2:55 pm: | |
Straw - I can't believe you would say that. To rephrase what you said that offended me:
"I have... problem with Itialians... the crap."
How could you say such a thing.
I am also offended by the word crap, and demand an apology. |
Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6143
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 3:11 pm: | |
I also said Tony Soprano is supposed to be Italian. |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 616
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 3:13 pm: | |
I am still waiting for that appology. |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 4782
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 4:06 pm: | |
some people just dont get it...
Let's recap. I didnt think Straw "had a problem with Italians" in his initial comments, but I was just pointing out that it didnt read right and could be offensive to varying degrees to different folks, especially Italian-Americans.
Instead of an acknowledgement or acceptance of that point, we got childish arrogance...some folks arent surprised with that, I'm sure. And I'll say it again -- if the shoe was on the other foot, he'd be screaming all over the place. But, with the continued lack of sensitivity and accountability being shown, some may wonder if he does have some sort of problem, either with "Italians" or a problem in general.
By the way, Straw...am I one of those dopes or morons you were referring to? And if I was, would that make me a liberal moron or dope or an Italian-American moron or dope? |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14129
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 4:09 pm: | |
If you asked ME, I'd give you a well grounded sports reason. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 4353
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 4:16 pm: | |
...am I one of those dopes or morons you were referring to? And if I was, would that make me a liberal moron or dope or an Italian-American moron or dope?"
I can't answer for the Straw, but I know you're no dope when it comes to a bottle of wine Hank. So, maybe a group of us could all get together and discuss this serious and important matter more closely over a bottle of good red wine... Maybe the Straw might even want to join us? |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 4783
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 5:04 pm: | |
S-
Id love to hear your reason...and happy birthday. Remarkable what you and Sbenois Industries have accomplished in your 35 years.
Art-
Im all for the bottle (or more) of wine...perhaps Italian wine would be good based on the conversation! Let me know when's good for you. |
Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6145
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 5:09 pm: | |
Right, I have a problem with Italians. That's why I'm voting for 2 Italian candidates on Tuesday...
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 10492
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 5:16 pm: | |
You have no choice, unless you don't vote.
Happy birthday, sbenois. It's in my calendar, so I'll know for next year.
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Peter
Citizen
Username: Peter
Post Number: 101
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 9:01 pm: | |
I'm all for the Italians, and everybody else. Can we return to the business of the campaign rally. Get those RSVPs in promptly, we have to know how many little quiches to make. (Where do you get the little tiny eggs?)
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Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 4785
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 11:08 pm: | |
Peter,
You're right...maybe I'll just move the conversation with all the quotes to a totally new thread in a more appropriate section. Good luck with the rally. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 10496
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 7:20 am: | |
Hank, did you get my privateline? |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 4787
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 7:56 am: | |
no Tom..unfortunately I did not...I guess I am one of those Verizon DSL folks who has some problems with PL's through MOL...sometimes I get them, sometimes I dont..and I suspect sometimes ones Ive sent dont make it through (that or the folks who received them ignored them!).
My email is henry.zona@verizon.net
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Scooterberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6146
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 9:15 am: | |
A tribute to Hank..
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mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 871
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 11:12 am: | |
To get this thread back on track: The Vic in question is responsible for the high ridiculously taxes you are struggling with today. Under his "leadership" the botched, ill-handled reval was shoved down our collective throats. He was virtually booted out of office by Maplewood voters of both parties as a result of the way he divided Maplewood over that issue.
Please, newbies, review a little back history - it is not that far "back"!
Oh, if that former mayor and our present mayor will work together amicably, it'll be headline news! The mayor's sparring with Pettis during TC meetings will be child's play in comparison.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 7808
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 12:25 pm: | |
The reval was done by a 3rd party and if Vic or any Town Committe member had tried to "handle" it in any way (ie, affect its outcome), it would have been a criminal act. It also went to court (which incurred legal costs for local taxpayers) and the reval was upheld. Nor was an appeal was made by litigants.
Also keep in mind, a reval is not a tax hike. It is revenue-neutral. A reval is a redistribution of the tax share based on increases and decreases in property value over time. Some saw higher taxes, some lower. Those receiving lower tax bills had been overpaying for a long time. Those receiving higher bills had been underpaying. For those who recently moved to town, it was unfortunate timing to say the least.
As to communications and timing of communications to citizens about the reval, that's open for debate. |
jeffl
Supporter
Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1408
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 12:29 pm: | |
It's astounding that there are still people trying to blame Vic for high taxes. Dave, some people will never get it. |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2508
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 1:14 pm: | |
Yah, at this rate, they will be blaming him for Hurricane Katrina and higher oil prices.
As Dave said, the reval could have been communicated better, but Jerry and Vic (who took the most heat) and the rest of the TC were doing their jobs, and they did it fairly well. The fact that no one had the courage to do a reval for decades before is a huge part of the problem. Would not have been such an issue if revals had been done every few years, even if only done internally by the assessor based on recent sales comps, and then verified every 10 years by an outside reval.
If you don't like your taxes, call Trenton and tell them to decouple school funding from property taxes, or figure out where we can build a mall and some Class A office buildings in Maplewood. But lay off the reval, it did not cause higher taxes for the town. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 332
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 - 1:49 pm: | |
In the meantime, it is time for the next reval. Should be every 5 years (maybe even every 2 years). |
mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 872
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, November 3, 2005 - 10:50 am: | |
Hmmm, seems both sides agree that Vic's communication skills played a major role in the reval debacle!
Now, that's the same person who wants another crack at governing this town? One with a proven record of poor communication skills?
To refresh anyone with short-term memory loss: The reval wasn't mandated. It could have been conducted after the community was fully included in the process. There was no need to create the great eastside/westside conflict.
Communication by bullhorn wasn't the way to go!
But that approach would mean those in charge had true leadership skills and a respect for all the residents in town.
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Peter
Citizen
Username: Peter
Post Number: 114
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 5, 2005 - 3:41 pm: | |
Please RSVP via PL if you'd like to join us Sunday afternoon. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14147
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 5, 2005 - 3:45 pm: | |
Vic DeLuca has earned another chance to sit on the TC.
And I think he'll do a great job. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2374
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 5, 2005 - 4:21 pm: | |
Having worked with Fred Profetta on the shared services committee, I sincerely wish him the best and think that he deserves to be elected again. |
Guidoberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6165
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 5, 2005 - 6:10 pm: | |
I'm voting for Fred and Vic because both men deserve to serve their town.
Now regarding Huemer....Ah, not tonight.
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Peter
Citizen
Username: Peter
Post Number: 118
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 7, 2005 - 8:41 am: | |
Thanks to Fred and Vic and all the supporters who joined us yesterday.
Be sure to vote tomorrow. The goveroner's race has important implications for Maplewood. |
Guidoberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 6172
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, November 7, 2005 - 3:00 pm: | |
Will do..Forrester has my vote.. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 5511
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 9, 2005 - 11:43 am: | |
mtierney has my vote - cheers. |
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