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sylvester the investor
Citizen
Username: Mummish
Post Number: 68
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 7:57 pm: |     |
http://www.twp.maplewood.nj.us/vertical/Sites/{920D5C3F-DE44-4EFC-8A19-300504E303FC}/uploads/{07084497-E406-469A-923A-A4ABE516 85B5}.PDF
This is the greatest thing I have seen a long time. Let's hope it is enforced. Hopefully now the dang kids won't be clogging up the streets walking 10 across, and combined with the other ordiance making their parents responsible, this might help solve some of the problems. |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6677
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 8:51 pm: | |
A Few Thoughts on These Proposed Ordinances:
Hours of Operation for Retail Businesses:
Should the hours of operation of retail business ordinances apply to pharmacies, diners and/or convenience stores which provide a real service to the community by being open 24 hours a day?
While I understand the need to provide additional security in our commercial areas, it would seem that an ordinance such as this could provide a real hardship to such businesses with the result of the town losing a valuable resource.
Parental Responsibility:
I like the idea of making parents legally responsible for the activities of their children but I don't understand why a child has to be caught in the act of performing one or more of the mentioned activities three times before parental responsibility is brought into play.
If the child is violating curfew that's one thing but if the child is caught stealing, assaulting someone, and/or causing significant damage to public or private property owned by someone other than that child, the behavior should be stopped at the first instance and the child's parents immediately held accountable.
Pedestrian Safety:
Should an exception be made for circumstances in which sidewalks may be considered unavailable due to heavy snow or ice (not yet cleared by property owner) or flooding during and immediately following heavy rain?
In the event that someone has to walk in the street due to the inavailability of a portion of the existing sidewalk due to conditions above, sidewalk repair in progress, or sidewalk in such poor condition as to present a serious impediment to pedestrians (including pedestrians trying to push baby carriages along highly uneven pavement), and cars are parked along curb of the street in question, should pedestrians be permitted to walk as close to the parked cars as possible since walking along the curb is not practical? Note: this question also holds for streets such as Oakview between Valley and Prospect where the area in the street immediately adjacent to the curb becomes a stream bed during wet weather.
I'd like to see this ordinance, if adopted, combined with a better enforcement of the sidewalk condition ordinance already on the town books.
Congregation on School Property:
Should the ordinance be broadened to include meetings held on school property after dark which are not specifically township or board of education meetings but which are the result of a community group obtaining permission from the township or the board of education to use their facility as a permitted use? There are a number of community groups which hold meetings in the evenings from time to time on school or township property such as scout troops, neighborhood associations, concerts sponsored by local cultural groups etc. As the ordinance is presently worded, wouldn't these groups be in violation if they continued to use public property for this purpose? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3974
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 1:23 am: | |
can someone post a better link to the text of the ordinances? |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6681
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 6:28 am: | |
Tom:
Click on the link within the page Sylvesters' link will lead you to and it will take you directly to the screen listing links for the invite and each of the proposed ordinances or go directly to the home screen of the official town website for the link you need o get to the ordinances, each of which is posted as a separate .pdf file. |
sac
Supporter
Username: Sac
Post Number: 2852
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 8:29 am: | |
Joan, that didn't even work for me ... I got a message saying that I was "not Authorized" to view the site. Easiest is just to go to the main home page of the township site http://www.twp.maplewood.nj.us and then click on the link for the special meeting on Law Enforcement to find the proposed ordinances.
Re sidewalks, the language in that proposal seems to cover the situation where ice and snow impede the walks - i.e. in that case they are "not available", but I guess the real proof would be in how it is enforced.
I would want them to reconsider the closing hours law. I'm not sure that it is fair to require every establishment, for example restaurants/theater/H2TA/etc in the village, to have to hire their own security guard in order to stay open past 11:00pm. And I also would like to have access to at least one 24 hour grocery or drugstore, although I'm not sure we have that now. (I occasionally go to the CVS in Union for that reason, but I'd sure like to be able to have that closer to home for those middle of the night illness situation.)
I'm surprised that parents aren't already responsible for their children's acts or that it isn't illegal for the crowds of kids (or whomever) to walk in the street. But, if not, then we definitely need those regulations or similar. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 9820
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 8:29 am: | |
I think drug stores and convenience stores (aka stop and robs) are the types of businesses most in need of security if they stay open late. Is there any all night phrarmacy in Maplewood?
I think the police will use discretion on snowy mornings. Gosh Joan, I would hate to read about you in the News Record police blotter section.  |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6683
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 8:54 am: | |
BobK:
Thanks for those kind words -- I think.
One of the problems the township faces with the proposed business hours ordinance is that on the one hand we are trying to boost the local economy by trying to attract viable retail businesses to our community while on the other hand we are trying to find a solution to a very real problem with break-ins, robberies and the like which often occur in the wee hours.
I am not sure that the proposed ordinance will do this. It has always been my belief that increasing, rather than decreasing, the hours during which retail businesses are open, thereby increasing street traffic, is the best way to combat that kind of crime. To my recollection, "crime waves" such as the one on Baker Street several years ago, were the result of businesses being entered after the affected shops had been closed for the day.
Quality of life is also an issue. As more and more of our residents become commuters into NYC returning from work after traditional businesses are closed for the night and after the concierge service has closed as well, there is going to be an ever increasing demand for nearby sources for the purchase of food and basic household supplies.
Regarding, all night drug stores, I seem to recall that there was a policy at one time that at least one pharmacy in town had to be "open" 24 hours a day or at least make an emergency number available for an on-call situation so people could fill subscriptions in an emergency. I don't know if this still exists. If it doesn't, it should and any pharmacy willing to provide this service shouldn't be saddled with the need to pay for a security service as a result.
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Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6684
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 8:57 am: | |
SAC:
I agree that the success or failure of these proposed ordinances, if adopted, lies in the ability and desire of the township to enforce them. A significant part of my point regarding the pedestrian safety ordinance is that until the township has shown it is able to enforce the existing sidewalk condition ordinance and maintain its own public sidewalks adequately, there is little point in passing an additional ordinance which presupposes that the existing sidewalks are both available and passable. |
ashear
Supporter
Username: Ashear
Post Number: 2088
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 2:13 pm: | |
This link will work: http://tinyurl.com/czqgt |
fredprofeta
Citizen
Username: Fredprofeta
Post Number: 115
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 3:02 pm: | |
As to the specific language of these preliminary ordinances, please see my post under the Soapbox thread "Tuesday's Special TC Meeting." |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3975
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 5:11 pm: | |
Fred, thanks for making these available. It all looks very productive. Though I'm with Joan on the issue of enforcement --- viz the thread here on Maplewood PD and car alarms. |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6692
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, November 26, 2005 - 7:37 pm: | |
Thanks Fred. I just read your post and it sounds as if the agenda for Tuesday's meeting is extremely ambitious. Would it be productive to follow the meeting with a group of workshops, each of which would have a narrower focus? This might be the best way to get community input on all of the very valuable points you raised in your thread on Tuesday's meeting.
While most of the comments I made on this thread are primarily focused on the specific wording in the proposed ordinances, my comments on the Hours of Operation of Retail Businesses are much more substantive. I don't believe that we should enact such an ordinace at all since I think it would work against the town's best interest both in terms of economic development and in terms of meeting the needs of the town's residents. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1542
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 1:05 am: | |
This business about walking no more than two abreast is about the most absurd thing I've ever read on this board. And I've read (and written) a lot of absurd things.
I assume you'll be banning wide baby strollers too, right? And what about people in wheelchairs? I don't see why they should get access to more sidewalk real estate than I do. Finally, would it be possible to also pass a no-cracks rule, to spare my poor old mother's back? |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 3977
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 1:55 am: | |
I think it's two abreast when forced to walk in the street. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 9823
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, November 27, 2005 - 9:23 am: | |
cmonty, see my post in the Soapbox thread on this subject. |
Arthur Gartenlaub
Citizen
Username: Artg
Post Number: 61
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 2:48 pm: | |
As a potentially adversely impacted retail business in Maplewood, relative to the proposed retail establishment hours of operations ordinance,I would like to add my voice to those that feel that "I don't believe that we should enact such an ordinace at all since I think it would work against the town's best interest both in terms of economic development and in terms of meeting the needs of the town's residents" (thanks Joan).
Purely in terms of financial impact, such an ordinance, should I decide to stay open past 11:00 PM, would cost: (for an unarmed security guard at the bargain rate of $15 per hour minimum 3 hours=$315 per week, while an armed security guard is approximately $55 per hour, 4 hours minumum=$1540 per week) or somewhere between $1260-$6160 per month.
Might I propose a slightly different prospective....for a smallfee, to the business owner, the township could provide a direct, wireless, silent, link/connection (alarm, video, walky/talky, etc.) directly to police HQ. Certainly a determined armed burgler would not hesitate to "disable" an unarmed security guard, while I'm not sure that I, nor my insurance company, nor my patrons would really like the idea of an armed guard sitting in the cafe, in quant downtown Maplewood, sitting in preparation for the next "Gunfight at H2TA's Corral."
Since the use of any "security guard" would eventually require the use of the local police, why not bypass the middleman and provide those businesses that wish to stay open past a certain specified hour with direct access to the police force through technology that is readily available. Just as with a charge for any false alarm there could be a charge for false alarms through this direct connect system.
Art |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 349
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 4:54 pm: | |
While I have no opinion about the benefit of an electronic link to the police station, I'm glad Art Gartenlaub, a Republican, has pointed out that customers do not want an armed guard sitting in his cafe or at other establishments they patronize in Maplewood. Furthermore, costs will be so steep that the temptation will be strong to go with a bargain security firm, whose personnel will not have the same training as the MPD, a danger to all of us if they are armed but also problematic, in terms of acting with bad judgment that escalates conflicts, even when unarmed.
I can't be the only person reading these threads who is reminded of the mindset that preceded the war in Iraq, when we were told we had to act "pre-emptively" (pro-actively) to remove a "growing threat" and it had to be supplemented with private contractors and other penny-pinching options to avoid raising taxes. Anybody raising logical and practical questions was called names and told they were a kneejerk liberal or against protecting America. Less than two years later, advocates of the proactive, pre-emptive course are totally surprised by the highly adverse consequences.
We do not have a threat to all of Maplewood. We have isolated problems that need targeted solutions and we should pay what it takes to get proper policing in those underserviced areas. We should not do it in a blunderbus, on-the-cheap, ideologically off-the-shelf way that expands the danger and the problems rather then ending them.
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steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 874
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 5:34 pm: | |
Excellent post Art regardng security guards. I think you may wish to post it also in the soapbox section under "TC Meeting". |
Eightball
Citizen
Username: Eightball
Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 5:59 pm: | |
The next thing you know, the township will be telling us that there will only be a dispatcher and one police officer working nights, and that if you wish to have any type of security around the clock, you will have to pay a security guard to set on your front stoop, or to patrol your street, or to.... |
mrmaplewood
Citizen
Username: Mrmaplewood
Post Number: 270
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 1:15 pm: | |
Good idea Eightball. And we could set up a seperate tax kitty to fund it in addition to the park maintenance fund.
I can't believe the voters approved that one. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1458
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 1:45 pm: | |
The proposed ordinance that relates to the security guard after midnight specifically uses the word "retail" to define what type of businesses must have a guard. I would not call a cafe or restaurant a "retail" business.
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oots
Citizen
Username: Oots
Post Number: 304
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 2:08 pm: | |
I don't think that sny business other than eating/food establishments and the movies-are open that late-they must be the businesses targeted-if this is so I think this is a terrible ordinance which would adversely affect many businesses.
oots |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6711
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 4:33 pm: | |
My guess is that this ordinance was written with convenience stores and possibly gas stations in mind but without any specific definition of what is meant by a retail business, it could be applied to diners, restaurants and cafes as well. |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1700
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 7:13 pm: | |
I read over the ordinances and while I understand where they are coming from, I also think that a few of them could be improved.
I think the penalties for walking three abreast on the street are pretty stiff - $1,000 or 6 months in jail? This seems to me to be equivalent to jaywalking, and I doubt you get thrown in the hoosegow for 6 mos. for that. According to Wikipedia, "In Singapore, known for its many rules and stiff fines, first offenders face a fine of S$500 (US$285) and even three months of jail. Repeat offenders can be fined for up to $2000 fine or six months in jail." So, Maplewood now = Singapore? I hope not.
I also think that the Hours of Operation one needs to be clarified to reflect the concerns raised here. I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant with an armed guard sitting out front. I also would worry about having armed people who aren't the police hanging around town. I trust police officers, but these hired guys not so much.
And the issues about Scouts etc. using the school property should also be clarified. I.e. change the language to reflect not just school board or school events, but activities sanctioned by the school. |
aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 586
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 9:57 pm: | |
CLK,
"So, Maplewood now = Singapore? I hope not."
Many cities have jaywalking ordinances with stiff fines, Honolulu, LA, Miami, Boston, even Provincetown, MA.
I was ticketed for jaywalking in LA and I took my lumps. I jaywalked because the crosswalk was a half block away and I thought I could beat the traffic.
Lame.
I've lived all over the world and I have never seen people meandering in the roads the way they do here.
Give notice that the police are cracking down and fine away.
It's ridiculous that folks defend scofflaws walking in the road in a town where 99% of our streets have sidewalks. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1460
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 10:25 pm: | |
Retail means the sale of goods/merchandise directly to the consumer.
In my opinion, prepared food and drinks does not fall into this category. Have you ever heard someone who owns a restaurant or cafe say that they own a retail business? |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1702
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 7:26 am: | |
aquaman, I'm not defending it - I just find the fines (and jail sentence of 6 months) a bit over the top.
Also, as others have said, a lot of the sidewalks around here are in bad shape, making navigation with baby strollers very difficult. (or wheelchairs.) Some of this can be fixed by the homeowners, and should be. I fixed mine a few years ago - but not because I got a notice from the town; it was my insurance that made me fix them.
But if you have large mature tree roots pushing up your sidewalk, there isn't a lot you can do short of cutting down the tree. I don't think most of us would want to lose the mature trees that cause the problems.
So sure - it's not great to walk in the street, but in some areas around here, you don't have much choice. I think that the laws should more explicitly take this into account. |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6715
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 4:43 pm: | |
Johnny:
It's what ever definition of retail business the town wants to adopt which will govern if the business hours ordinance is adopted whether or not that definition matches the one in somebody's dictionary.
If an ordinance of this nature is adopted and I have yet to see the advantage to doing so for any kind of business, the ordinance should be more specific as to what types of business if any would be excluded from it's provisions.
CLK:
It is a relatively simple matter to lift a heaved slab of sidewalk and have the town come by and cut back the tree roots. This has become standard practice when sidewalks in town are repaired and/or replaced. It is not necessary to take down the entire tree in the process. We really need to have homeowners take more responsibility for their sidewalks before someone gets seriously injured. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11045
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 4:48 pm: | |
I agree that we should increase (or begin) enforcement of sidewalk maintenance.
The requirement to hire security guards amounts to saying that the police can't do the job they're hired to do. Most businesses that are open past 11pm seem not to feel they need security guards, so why should we, the people, tell them that they do?
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CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1704
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 6:47 pm: | |
Joan, thanks - I didn't know that. I don't have any trees pushing up my sidewalk, so it was never an issue for me. I've certainly nearly killed myself a few times on sidewalks like this, though - and I do think that homeowners need to be held accountable for the condition of their sidewalks generally speaking.
Tom - that picture is wild. What year is that from? |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11052
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 6:50 pm: | |
It's from 1981. I was 20 years old. See my MOL blog for an explanation.
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Bart Albini
Citizen
Username: Bartalbini
Post Number: 18
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, December 1, 2005 - 7:56 am: | |
I have been researching the Town ordinances for Maplewood. There are some 300 chapters on file of which a good amount are similar to those the Township wishes to create new ones on.
After I have filtered out the ones we need to look at, we will have a better understanding if we need new ones or just add teeth to the ones that already exist.
I will post my findings in the next few days.
Bart Albini |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 9834
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 1, 2005 - 8:25 am: | |
Yeah Aquaman, LA really knows how to keep the pedestrians in line and out of the street.
A co-worker also got a jaywalking ticket there a few years ago. This one was at 6:00am on a Sunday morning in Mid-Wilshire. A true New Yorker, he used to walk from appointment to appointment. The LAPD stopped him a couple of times to see what he was doing since so few people walk in LA. People actually use their cars to go from one office building to another, even if they are next door to each other. |
aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 589
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 1, 2005 - 7:24 pm: | |
Bobk,
When people jaywalk they slow down the flow of traffic and marginalize the safe crosswalks.
LA has plenty of crosswalks and lights.
Bobk, your renegade "friend" was ticketed because he was a jaywalking outlaw, a scofflaw, and a drain on law-abiding, crosswalk-walking citizens.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8053
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, December 2, 2005 - 1:22 am: | |
I think it's high time to institute MOL fines for various offenses.
Asking same question after it has been answered in same thread: $20
Personal attack: $25
Personal attack that mentions Hitler or Nazis: $50
Grammar or spelling correcshun: $5
Request to have another person banned: $65
Mention of illegal students: $35.50
Mention of out of town parents breaking the law by enrolling their children: FREE
Posting 3 abreast: $120 and/or 6 mos. in jail
Gum chewing: $2 per stick
Asking where the heck Nan or Wharfrat are: FREE
Not enjoying a Yumster and posting about it: $55
Agreeing with Bobk before 6am: $1.25
Not saying Bunny's has the best thin crust pie in town: $15
Using lard other than leaf lard: $20
Sending me a message to delete something you posted without a link to it: $5,599 (you know who you are)
Reading Eats, Shoots and Leaves and thinking in your mind "Eats, Shits and Leaves": $100
Looking bewilderedly at someone when they tell you they don't read MOL: FREE
Not going to see What Exit? Theatre's production of Frost-T the Snowman this month: $300
Doubting MOL has a ton of people reading it: $2,500
Jaywalking: Free on Aquaman's block. Otherwise: $16.50
Being against Art's B&B and saying so: $125 a night |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 1716
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 2, 2005 - 5:41 am: | |
So, where the heck is nan?
(sorry, I just can't resist free stuff) |
wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 1849
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 2, 2005 - 8:28 am: | |
Quote:Sending me a message to delete something you posted without a link to it: $5,599 (you know who you are)
I barely can figure out how to do the above. If I am who I think I am, I'm quite willing to be shown how. My google search showed the lack of the post and for that I and my niece are forever grateful. Since she's the rich one, I'll see if she'll be responsible for the fine - sort of loco parentis....sort of.
Really thanks a bunch.
And where is nan? I love free stuff too!
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greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6176
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 2, 2005 - 9:12 am: | |
You can ask for someone to be banned?
Damn...... No one tells me anything around here. |
yabbadabbadoo
Citizen
Username: Yabbadabbadoo
Post Number: 278
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 2, 2005 - 7:20 pm: | |
Quote:Reading Eats, Shoots and Leaves and thinking in your mind "Eats, Shits and Leaves
I've done that!
FF
What happened to the censor-dots??
Does that mean that I can swear now? |
aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 591
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 2, 2005 - 10:06 pm: | |
Yabbadabba -
damn shootin' |
C Bataille
Citizen
Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2288
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 7:50 am: | |
Joan, it's not so simple to do the sidewalk repair that you suggest. The town will not lift the slab and most of us cannot do this ourselves. So you have to contract with someone to lift the slab and get the DPW guys who do tree work to show up at the same time. If you know of an easy way to do this, and the name of someone who will lift the slabs, please let me know. Thanks.
Cathy |
monster
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 1631
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 6:28 pm: | |
there goes that fsckin' Dave again, trying to make sum monee,
hey dave, where's nan,
man oh man Dave, what are you anyway, a Nazi.
Heck dave you speled correcshun,
would you please ban everyone else,
I ran into some parents in irvington who have enrolled their kids into school
here, those dang illegal students, that's who is walking abreast of each other down the streets,
what about all those gum chewing hoodlums at MMS and that dang gum wall,
I don't believe I've enjoyed a yumster,
oh yeah, speaking of where is nan, just where is wharfrat?
I'll agree with Bobk sometime tomorrow around 5:30 in the morning,
and the best thin crust pizza in town is at...
I use other lard,
and can you delete the post I made about a month ago, it's the one where I mentioned what you did with those midgets dressed as nazis, particular that one that looked kind of like hitler and dirty sanchez
there has been many times where I have thought eats shˇts and leaves
hmmm, I do plan on going to see Frost-T
I don't doubt MOL has tons of people reading it.
I jaywalk all the time, but I've never walked with Jay
and I'm not against Art's B&B, though I do believe in regulation, and the noise...
I'm always talking about something on MOL and am totally bewildered when someone just doesn't get it, & I'm like "what!, you don't read MOL?"
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Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6724
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 3, 2005 - 7:33 pm: | |
Cathy B:
Sorry, I don't have a name for you. We usually have our tree roots cut back whenever we replace our cement sidewalk slabs and the contractor who lays the cement generally contacts the town to have this done.
It has been my experience that few heaved slabs are loose enough to lift and replace without damage so simply lifting them and replacing them after tree root pruning isn't an option.
My point to Cathy K. which I think she understood is that growing tree roots should not in and of themselves be an excuse for not maintaining a sidewalk. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8067
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Sunday, December 4, 2005 - 9:55 am: | |
I want to point out my pun on ESL is in no way reflective of my opinion of the content of his posts.
Also, Monster owes MOL $8,242.25 |
Lucy
Supporter
Username: Lucy
Post Number: 2151
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, December 4, 2005 - 12:00 pm: | |
I Love it, what a way to cheer up your MOL audience on a sunday morning!
Brilliant |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2683
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 5, 2005 - 11:31 am: | |
Dave: I challenge you to a duel. Dangling participles at 20 paces!
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