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Veritas Ultimo
Citizen
Username: Veritas_ultimo
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 10:57 pm: | 
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Erin Cartman: As a public service, please elaborate on your 10:57 AM post as regards the secret motives of Ms. Harris. Thanks to astute citizens such as you, she's not going to get away with this one this time! I'm sick of the facade of her revitalizing the Chamber of Commerce, her history of starting The Gaslight, initiating the Villager of the Month Award, sending her children completely through the public school system, not having an affair with the Village Administrator, paying taxes on her property (unlike redevelopment counsel), sitting on committees at Temple, being a Trustee for the Federal Court, not moving to Bavaria and actually running a law practice that does not depend on taxpayer money. Erin, we know all this is only to throw the rubes off! Tell it loud and tell it proud: What is this woman is really up to! |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 537
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:35 pm: |
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Through all this splendor and considerable rent roll of Lokko, I noticed a superbowl play of mice running in every direction at the BM Diner. But then I thought what someone might find over at the palace of redevelopment square - Shop Rite. Really, look at the building as you ride by. It's disgraceful, and the town attorney should be fired immediately for gross incompetence. When does his contract or performance appraisal come due? It's time to wave goodbye - Edwin. Don't you think? You must be so tired after so many screw-ups! |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 85
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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Wow!! Was it really $750,000? I thought the loan was only $500,000. How come the Trustees did not correct me on that one? Is there any chance it was more? SO1969: I totally concur with all your statements, except as to the "priming of the pump." That was a totally orchestrated scenario as outlined by Veritas Ultimo. This pump did not need to be primed. The landlord pays $2,000 per month to NJT and collects over $20,000 per month to cover the cost. But I can't help but comment on your very last sentence: "(the landlord) could pay for more garbage cans and kick in for keeping the trash picked up." I say: Why should he? It wasn't made part of the deal. Nothing was negotiated for the benefit of the taxpayers. All the benefits flowed in one direction. That is why we are critical of the BoT, Mr. Rosen. We feel you have not protected our financial interests adequately. We are not counting someone else's money as MB above stated. We are counting OUR OWN TAXPAYER MONEY. We not only have a right to do this, some of us believe we have an OBLIGATION to do this. And thank you Veritas for your support. I appreciate it. |
Pay to Play
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 299
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 9:21 am: |
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I must say I concur with your thoughts and sentiments.
Can someone point the public toward a petition for recall? This madness must end!!
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mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 210
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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Veritas,
Isn't Elaine Harris the attorney who cost the Village $400,000 in legal expenses through her frivolous law suit against the redevelopment of Sloan Street and South Orange Av.? And she lost?
Didn't she fight tooth and nail together with the owners of Bunny's and succeeded to get their property outside the redevelopment zone.
Doesn't she own commercial property on Valley, in the area that is being considered for redevelopment?
Do you still wonder what she is up to? |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 86
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
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Mary, Mary quite contrary. Do your homework and stop trying to slander innocent people.
Elaine Harris (that is me) does own real estate on Valley Street and that real estate is in the middle of the proposed redevelopment plan. Is there a problem with that? Yes. I stand to lose my property. What is your point? Do you think I have any control over the redevelopment? Do you think I want to lose my property? If you do, you are a fool.
Next, you accuse me of fighting "tooth and nail" to save Bunny's from redevelopment. Excuse me? aren't you pleased to see Bunny's is still in existence? I really can not take credit for that, but I consider it a compliment when someone says that I fight "tooth and nail" for a client. I know that you did not intend it to be a compliment, but it is. That is what good lawyers should do for their clients. I aam sorry if that is a problem for you.
Finally, Mary Mary quite to the contrary, the name of the case you are roughly alluding to is "Forbes v. South Orange." The attorney for that law suit was Mary Sue Henifen, Esq. The purpose of that law suit was twofold: 1) to prevent the sale of the Sickley Bros. property to New Jersey Transit so that the revenue from the development could forever go to the citizens of South Orange. In other words, even though people like you did not understand the implications of that sale, people like me did, and we tried to use our intellect to help the future of the Village. We wanted only what was best for the Village, and as you can see, we lost, and so, too, did the Village. What little parking we have now (ask the commuters) is shared with the world, and we get no revenue. So go ahead, rejoice!!! The second prong was to challenge the criteria for condemnation. This became a NATIONAL ISSUE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. Do you think I am the only person in the country who has a problem with the cavalier taking of property? This subject made headlines all over the country, and still does. By the way Mary Mary, what is your position on eminent domain? Just curious.
Finally, this ridiculous false rumor that I cost the Village $400,000 has been churned by malevolent people like yourself. It is totally false. The entire process took two months and was rushed through the system. If Village Counsel was paid $400,000 then the REAL WRONGDOERS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO PAID IT, not to mention the person who billed it. And by the way, Mary Mary, the challenge had absolutely nothing to do with Sloan Street, so you prove your ignorance again.
One more thing, Groundhog Day was yesterday. You are a day late. You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading false rumors. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 68
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 3:03 pm: |
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why would anyone have fought the redevelopment of Sloan street? I find that very hard to believe. It is the only location in our town that is nice and well maintained. So I really find it hard to believe the Ms harris or anyone would have fought to stop this project. What was there to gain.
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SO1969
Citizen
Username: Bklyn1969
Post Number: 201
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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Veritas,
Thanks for the back story.
p.s. whose the muni bond trustee? Or is that a former trustee? |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 89
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 4:13 pm: |
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Thank you, Michael Brant. You are absolutely correct. No one, absolutely no one, challenged the development of Sloan Street, although the process of the "questionable" loan was the subject of much debate. Nevertheless, Mary Mary maliciously accused me of doing so. This is a very serious problem in our society. Too many people can not distinguish fact from fiction and use them interchangeably. We must weed out the
Mary Mary types from this board so that we can engage in intellectual debate. I do not expect everyone to agree with me all the time, but no one should be permitted to attack me falsely. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 69
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 4:18 pm: |
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lets all just agree that it is a good thing for the town that the blue moon is gone! Now hopefull the gaslight will follow! Both were and are nasty owners. |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 90
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 4:26 pm: |
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Michael, we have to have a talk. We can not call these people "nasty owners." This is not fair play. Business acumen is proven at the cash register. For one, it failed, for the other, it appears to be successful. As outsiders, we have the option of patronizing or not. That is our only option. Private business is not under our control. Look at Martha Stewart and Donald Trump. Neither one is known for being sweet, yet they are reported to be multi multi millionaires.
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joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:34 pm: |
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Fight the process.
I had a client who was ready, willing and able, a real estate developer with the funds to do it without any loans.
But, the village had a preferred candidate, and for whatever reasons, would not wait.
Of course, I had recently moved here, and don't know for sure if anyone else was ever considered, besides the new corp. entity, Loko Motive.
Not sure of the spelling.
The process is still not transparent.
But, we can all see the progress and results at Lake Beifus and the Shop Worn site.
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Veritas Ultimo
Citizen
Username: Veritas_ultimo
Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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To Mary Zero32 : I believe that Ms. Harris, along with possibly another one hundred people, did attend two meetings of the Board of Trustees to ask the Board to keep Bunny's out of the redevelopment zone.
In response to this public pressure, the Trustees did not include the Bunny's property in the redevelopment zone.
There has never been any litigation regarding putting Bunny's in or getting it out of the redevelopment zone which completely surrounds Bunny's.
Ultimately, the best storefront in the redevelopment zone was Bunny's. The owners keep it neat, clean, painted and decorated for the seasons. Almost everything else was closed or boarded up for up to five years! Some redevelopment zone!
I have nothing against Bunny's, but if the actions of the Village have made it the best looking spot along the redevelopment zone on South Orange Avenue West, we need to re-think redevelopment. (Actually, that is a mis-statement because it implies that there had been some initial thought on the matter. Mary 0: Admit it. Ms. Harris and the Poganys were correct that there was no plan.)
P.S. I'd like to address your "$400,000.00" legal expenses factoid but I do not have the time right now. Stay tuned.
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Richard
Citizen
Username: Rikky
Post Number: 68
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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the owner of the gaslight is nasty. ever try taking a toddler in there? they make it very plain that your business isn't welcomed. for the life of me i don't understand why you wouldn't want to have families attend. the place is built for it with a dining room in the back. what exacerbates the situation is there's hardly any retail in the village where you can go with young kids. another reason why south orange village will never be anything more than a commuters stop with starbucks, dunkin donuts, the bake shop, maybe a quick bite at the bagel store or diner and off to work i go. pathetic. |
Richard
Citizen
Username: Rikky
Post Number: 69
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
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the village continues to lose any charm it might have as franchises continue to open up all over town. it's bad enough we have a blockbuster in town, now we'll have more sub shops? i think walmart would do quite well in that empty store next to gaslight ;) |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1329
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:48 am: |
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We happily take our daughter to Bunnys, Ariyoshi, Arugula, Voro, Niecys, and probably one or two others that I'm forgetting, and have been going to most of them with her since she was tiny (working hard on behavior all the way).
Although I'm disappointed to feel unwelcome at Gaslight, I think that Richard's attitude is a bit harsh. Maybe he hasn't looked around more than a block from the station, since he doesn't seem to know what else is here. Support what we have, and more will follow. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1330
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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I forgot the (formerly Dancing) Goat. My apologies. And Texas Weiner (a misleading name) if you want cheap diner food.
And you can complain about chains, but Starbucks has one huge advantage over the coffeeshop that was in that space before. Starbucks is actually open at the hours that people want coffee. The previous non-chain owner had somewhat limited hours, and completely ignored the morning commute, opening at 10 AM if I remember correctly!
Downtown is a long way from perfect, and our BOT gets some serious criticism, as do certain local landowners. But don't say there is nothing here. |
Richard
Citizen
Username: Rikky
Post Number: 70
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:16 pm: |
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the village has been on a slow decline for years. ask any of the old timers who've moved away. this bringing in of chains reeks of a bad direction. the BOT has not shown they know how to govern effectively. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 380
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:38 pm: |
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Calabrese fought pretty successfully to keep out a new Shop Rite which would have had a pharmacy to compete with his. If Calabrese owned a sandwich shop, you'd see all the obstacles he'd put in the way to keep out Subways and Quizno's. It all goes back to having a compelling vision for the town and a professional development person to implement. Calabrese operates like its his personal kingdom. He and his cronies have got to go. Start talking it up now around town. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 109
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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Richard, I am not happy about the franchises of the country killing all of the local and Mom and Pop stores, but it's happening everywhere.
What usually happens is a national franchise buys space across the street from a small business and out prices it. In Upper Montclair, the Olympic shop (clothing) is struggling against a new Gap that is literally across the street. In Springfield, a Blimpie opened across the street from Campus Sub Shop II.
What's weird about South Orange is that the local businesses are folding, but nothing is moving in to replace them. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 398
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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Elaine Donald trump and Martha are both known to treat their customers with respect. These two never did. Big difference. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 70
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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Elaine and User I never met either Donald or Martha but I do not see how they could be compared to the Blue moon or Gaslight. Donald and Martha are both strong professional business people and both offer a good product.
I shop and eat in our town all the time. As far as the Blue Moon I hear from friends it once was a great place and always packed. I hope it returns to that. I look forward to supporting the new owner! |
Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 154
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 12:48 pm: |
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Village Diner. kind of a boring name. shouldn't it be village of south orange diner township, or something? |
Stuart0628
Citizen
Username: Stuart0628
Post Number: 208
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 12:59 pm: |
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To add to Susan1014's list, Village Cellar goes out of its way to be friendly to kids, and Toro Loco has its share of kids whenever I am in there. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 71
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 1:08 pm: |
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Vilage Diner is a great name. Why is everyone a expert? |
I. Kabish
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 300
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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Wouldn't it be nice if some other retail moved underneath the station other than a real estate office. I thought professional offices were forbidden on the first floor of the central business district. I guess someone knows someone who knows me..... |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2535
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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Richard: Some people have stated that the reason Westfield is so successful is because it attracted so many chain stores. Is your objection to all chain stores/franchises or just certain ones. I see a cold stone creamery opening in just about every town and yet that did not bring upon criticism about chains. Did it bother you when Verizon opened a store?
While a subway would not be my first choice, it is opening outside the central business district which would seem to be better than having an empty store or having them open on Sloan street.
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Erin Cartman
Citizen
Username: Carnac
Post Number: 38
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 2:39 pm: |
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Someone is spreading false rumors about Elaine Harris -- the "revitali[izer of] the Chamber of Commerce, her history of starting The Gaslight, initiating the Villager of the Month Award, sending her children completely through the public school system, not having an affair with the Village Administrator, paying taxes on her property (unlike redevelopment counsel), sitting on committees at Temple, being a Trustee for the Federal Court, not moving to Bavaria and actually running a law practice that does not depend on taxpayer money -- I am again shocked!
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jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 381
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 3:21 pm: |
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Mr. Rosner-
There are chains and there are chains. Westfield has a Williams Sonoma, a GAP, and others I can't recall. Its not just a matter of attracting a chain store. Its about having a vision of what the town should be and using professional development people to execute the vision. The idea that because a business (any business) fills an empty storefront, that that alone is the goal, is short sighted. Look at all the businesses that have failed because their business plan was flawed (or possibly non-existent), and their execution was lousy. "Laced" looks like it didn't even last a year.
If the village is to flourish, it needs a visionary at the helm with profesisonals to guide the process. I would venture to say that even Calabrese, were he to open his pharmacy today looking like how it looks, it would not last the year. He only gets away with it because he has a loyal following of mostly older residents I suspect, and Rite Aid personnel doesn't give a damm about service. He gets his business by default. That's not the type of person who can create a vision and momentum for the right kinds of businesses. |
aquaboy
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 458
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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Calabrese is a hack. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1732
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
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Westfield also has Blimpie, Boston Market, Coldstone, Quiznos, Qdoba, Subway, Domino's, Dunkin Donuts, Haagen Daaz, KFC, Panera Bread, Starbucks, TCBY, and I'm sure many other chain stores. If anything they've served as stable businesses to help attract more locally owned places to the downtown area.
I don't get the assumption that a locally owned business is inherently better than a (likely locally owned) franchise of a national chain. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 382
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 4:30 pm: |
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I am not assuming that an independent is better than a franchise or chain. (Calabrese's pharmacy certainly makes the point that that is not always the case.) What I am saying is that you need a vision first. I keep hearing Calabrese talk about South Orange being an artistic community. Well, is that supposed to carry through in the business center? I don't see evidence of that. The center looks like a bunch of "coming soon" disaster zones which have nothing to do with the arts, Seton Hall, or any other theme that I can see. Now we are getting franchise sub shops, with all the litter problems they will inevitably bring. What vision do they play to? And unfortunately, they do nothing to enhance the village image or its value as a destination. If I can get this stuff anywhere, why battle South Orange traffic and parking to come here? They will have to succeed based on the locals, and frankly, I don't see it. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12340
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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Local businesses aren't all good, and chains aren't all bad, but local businesses do, generally, put a greater chunk of their money back into local businesses.
The thing I like about local businesses is that they are usually small enough to respond to local demand. I remember years ago, foolishly asking for garlic powder at a Pizza Hut. The waitress said they get a lot of people asking for it. I asked her why, then, they don't have it. She said because it would lead people to expect it at the other locations. So it's a least common denominator approach, which is antithetical to improvement, in my view.
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Debra Davidson
Citizen
Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 125
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 5:21 pm: |
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I feel very, very strongly that the rents here in South Orange are to high. Some small business can't make any money to make it worth their while to stay in business. I think very, very strongly that the Village of South Orange must do something to keep these small Mom & Pop business here. Like for the first two years they are in business either give them a tax brake or have them pay half the cost of the monthly rent. I think it takes about to two years to build up a business with regular customers. I feel most small Mom & Pop business can't get enough regular costumers in the very short time they must in order to stay in business here in South Orange. The rents are just way to high. That is why most people staring a new business cannot afford to open their business here is South Orange. |
Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 155
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
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you are right, Michael Brant! Vilage Diner would be a good name! It sounds so, i don't know, vile? |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 39
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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I got the answer this morning: Blue Moon is scheduled to be opened by Manny from Manny's Texas Weiner in Union.
They expect to be open in about a month.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8570
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:23 pm: |
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But there's a Texas Weiner 200' away from that location. I guess they're moving across the street?
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kevin
Supporter
Username: Kevin
Post Number: 612
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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I believe that "Texas Weiner" is a generic name.
Chris is the proprietor of the Texas Weiner next to Blockbuster.
Manny's is the Texas Weiner in Vauxhall right across from the Home Depot.
Assuming what John said is true and Manny is opening the "Village Diner" in the old Blue Moon location, it will be competition with the Texas Weiner, but not direct competition because he will not be using "Texas Weiner" in the name or calling it, "Manny's Texas Weiner II".
Not too many people realize that "Texas Weiner" is essentially a diner.
Manny has good food.
Chris has good food.
I wish them both well.
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cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1740
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 4:31 pm: |
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Manny's has great food and service. Particularly on the diner scale. |
I. Kabish
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 306
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 4:49 pm: |
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I heard there is a family relation between the two Weiners. |
John Caffrey
Citizen
Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 40
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 6:06 pm: |
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I believe they are brothers-in-law.
Manny has operated a diner in West Caldwell in the past that was not in the style of T. Weiner. He also owned Main Street Bistro in Millburn for a couple of years--much more upscale.
I didn't ask if his plans were to duplicate the Vaux Hall menu or go more upscale. |
The Man
Citizen
Username: Bumboklaat
Post Number: 147
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 6:28 pm: |
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Wagwan, Kabish. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kabish
Check it-the endo got dropped off, pick up some dutchies. Respek.
Booyakasha!!! |
Veritas Ultimo
Citizen
Username: Veritas_ultimo
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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Mary 032: A Trustee recently posted that it may be time to rexamine the redevelopment plan drawn up by the Atlantic Group. This plan, which cost the Village $175,000.00, located most of the redevelopment of the Village on the site of the Sickley Brothers Lumber Yard. Once New Jersey Transit located the Midtown Direct parking facility on the Sickley Brothers site, the Atlantic Group plan was no longer relevant. Ms. Harris brought suit because she thought the site should be used for something better than a parking lot. Maplewood had turned down New Jersey Transit for locating the parking facility there. When Maplewood refused to give approval, the South Orange Trustees invited New Jersey Transit to come here. This was done on the unsupported assumption (really wishful thinking) that New Jersey Transit would take the so called "Shop Rite Site" from the multiple owners of the block and have a retail portion of the parking facility that would house a "Balducci's" type gourmet food store. The Village was surprised when New Jersey Transit instead went for the Sickley site. Ms. Harris' suit was an attempt to try to stop the "gutting" of the central business district. The Trustees tried to put a good face on the loss of the primary redevelopment area envisioned by the Atlantic Group by announcing the Performing Arts Center which is presently under construction. (As the Performing Arts Center will never make a penny and not provide any tax revenue, astute investors are urged to start thinking about purchasing it when it is privatised in three or four years. It should go relatively cheap.) |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 32
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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And tear it down, to give back the once beautiful and now blocked view of south mountain from the train station.
Or, build a rock climbing wall on the East face, i.e., the train station side, charge viewing fees, and lessen the taxpayer's pain.
jd |
sac
Supporter
Username: Sac
Post Number: 3105
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:51 pm: |
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Warning - slight thread drift ...
I know I've probably posted this before, but as a born and raised Texan, I just don't get this Texas Weiner thing.
I can assure you that there is no such thing as a Texas Weiner in Texas, unless it is a very recent development there. (On the other hand, we did have a hot dog chain called "James Coney Island" there, at least back when I was growing up, so maybe it's just that no region wants to claim the lowly weiner as its own???) |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Supporter
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 93
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
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The Texas Weiner was invented as a marketing ploy at Libby's in Paterson, near the Great Falls. It is basically a deep-fried hot dog with chile and onions on top. Libby's still exists, just in case you want an "original" Texas weiner. |
Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 269
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 11:02 pm: |
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Sounds like a real low cholesterol meal ... |
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