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Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Elizabethann
Post Number: 34
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 11:08 am: | 
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Has anyone heard anything about a new development in South Orange on a large empty lot #2102 off of Irvington across the street from Fairview? I live on West Fairview and it would be my whole blocks backyard view if this happens. I heard from a neighbor that the town sold the lot to a developer and I am very worried for all of us in the surrounding neighborhood. I would love to know the FACTS if anyone has them. Thanks SOrangers. |
argon_smythe
Citizen
Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 746
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 11:13 am: |
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Oh great more apartments that's JUST what this town needs! |
I. Kant
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 289
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 12:06 pm: |
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I wonder who? May I say?  |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 367
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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So much for a master plan! |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 2946
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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My impression was that it wasn't a huge apartment building, but maybe 4 units... don't know where I saw the plans.. maybe the News Wretched. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2524
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 2:00 pm: |
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jayjay: Try reading the minutes and the plans that came about from the numerous meetings held regarding Irvington avenue. It might help give you insight. I am not saying that everyone was on the same page or there was a master plan, but it does give you some clues as to the issues that exist (and some still need to be addressed) on Irvington Avenue. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 368
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 2:56 pm: |
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Mr. Rosner-
I would love to read the minutes. Where are they?
Even so, a master plan would put Irvington Ave in a broader context of where the village as a whole should be. Piecemeal projects frequently look just like that...a lack of cohesion. I get the feeling that there is a rush by developers to pack in as many apartments close to the train as possible. And I would rather the town create an overall vision first. It seems to me that Gaslight Commons was the wrong scale and density and look for the village, and now that deed is done. Please make sure we don't create more like it. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1715
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 3:13 pm: |
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I don't get the inherent evil of apartments. Fill me in.
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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2525
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 3:27 pm: |
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Jayjay: You would have to request that from the village clerk's office. Part of the problem is Irvington Ave is mixed use and not everyone agreed on what would be the best use or what the end result should look like (commercial vs residential).
This is a small parcel and some saw this an ideal place to put more apartments for use by SHU (staff, graduate students, but not full-time undergrad).
Some of the plans included new sidewalks, gaslights, etc to match the downtown. Most of that work is completed (some info is on the village website under the redevelopment tab - Irvington Ave.).
There was an overall vision done years ago by the Atlantic Group, but no question that needs to be revisited (and redone).
I have not seen this new project on Irvington Ave. yet although I did hear about it a while ago. I thought I had heard six units, but if it is four, I don't think they need a variance.
My objections to the proposed Millenium project has been that not only is it too big, but the village needs to have a vision for what it wants to happen on Valley street and how that will look and work with the central business district. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 107
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 3:28 pm: |
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I heard Sayid owns the lot but could be wrong |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 22723
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 3:28 pm: |
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Why aren't the minutes posted online? |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 2948
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 3:31 pm: |
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I agree that Millenium is too large - but have you thought about making Valley Street the "central business district?" Nice, unique shops, a bookstore & restaurants etc? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2526
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 3:50 pm: |
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The minutes from committee meetings are done by hand (not recorded on tape) and the BOT does not officially approve them. We have discussed posting minutes of future committee meetings, but for now, the only way to get them is via a request.
SoOrLady: I hope those are some of ideas that are discussed when the hearings are held on valley street. Then we have a dialogue with developers including Millenium, we need to ask them how they plan to attract the retailers we would like to see in town (just like the ones you mention). Ultimately it is up to the landlord to secure a tenant.
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Kant, I.
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 290
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 6:35 pm: |
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Well what if someone asks Susan Gruel to explain why she held the meeting - invite her to a BoT meeting for a public chit chat. We can have her discuss Valley and Irvington Avenue from a professional planning point of view. |
Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Elizabethann
Post Number: 35
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 9:50 am: |
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Who is Susan Gruel? And who is Sayid (who may own the lot)?
I want to get some answers and take some initiative in a more formal way. My whole block wants to do particiapate in the changes and developement of Irvington Ave.
I have been trying to contact Terry Anne Moore Abrams too.
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Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 244
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 9:54 am: |
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Good luck if Sayid owns the lot ... |
I. Kant
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 292
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 10:22 am: |
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Doesn't it appear as if somebody's been playing monopoly for a few years - I don't know?
Dear constituents, I have never had a business relationship with him now or in the past; but, I. Kant say whether in the future...or in the German Republic.
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Flying_char
Citizen
Username: Flying_char
Post Number: 102
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 5:01 am: |
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I think it would be great to have some apartments, hopefully some that you can afford.
Question: is there any affordable condo's/townhouses in this town?? |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3846
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 2:10 pm: |
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Char-
I wouldn't hold your breath about any of these being 'affordable.' From what I what I understand they will be 'luxury' condos. |
AntoninaKC
Citizen
Username: Antoninakc
Post Number: 161
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:25 pm: |
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what isnt "affordable" to you is "affordable" to someone else. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3859
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:33 pm: |
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I don't consider $2,500 a month 'affordable.' Do you?
I heard rumors though SHU was building grad student housing... |
AntoninaKC
Citizen
Username: Antoninakc
Post Number: 162
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:38 pm: |
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Right now I pay 1650 for crap, so luxury at 850 more wouldnt be too bad. Rent prices are out of control mostly everywhere, so this type of deal isnt out of the ordinary. There are always people who will pay, and thats why luxury complexes are the norm these days. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3860
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:52 pm: |
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I agree Ant. Maybe our BOT thinks by allowing the new units to rent for as much as they will / do families with children won't be able to afford to live in them. I think some of these new units should be affordable for the seniors in our community who can no longer afford to stay in the homes they raised their children in. |
Richard
Citizen
Username: Rikky
Post Number: 67
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 10:27 pm: |
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people that will pay north of $2000 a month in rent are only doing it temporarily. typicallys it's a newly married couple looking to save money, a single well-to-doer who works in NYC on wall street or the like, or a not married but newly living together couple with decent jobs. no one rents in this price range for long, but the apartment landlords don't care as long as the place rents out enough for them to make a profit. yep, we sound like cattle. |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 539
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 2:29 am: |
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Sayid OWNS THE LOT! The same lot that had an illegal above gound "temporary swimming pool" this summer. No fence around it and was 4' deep! Sayid OWNS South Orange folks.
Enjoy writing your checks to cover your property tax bill whilst Sayid does not. |
AntoninaKC
Citizen
Username: Antoninakc
Post Number: 163
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 12:04 pm: |
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Stupid question- is Sayid an actual person or is it a company?? |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 213
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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Mr. Nagib SAIYD, 171 Irving Avenue, South Orange.
Born in Afghanistan.
Importer of rugs from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and China.
Owner of 14 (?) commercial and residential properties in South Orange.
Delinquent in property tax payments for several of his properties.
Business partner both in South Orange and in Germany with Village President Bill Calabrese, you know, the one we voted-in three Mays ago. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3880
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 1:52 am: |
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Why isn't the town forcing him to pay his taxes? Others who don't get their properties taken away at a public auction. Why not his? |
Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 261
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 3:17 am: |
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Also - from what I hear - a very shady landlord ... |
Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 1
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 3:58 pm: |
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Even though I'm a former West Fairview Avenue resident now living out of state, I've never lost interest in or affection for the "old neighborhood". Recently I heard a rumor about the possible redevelopment of Irvington Avenue from Tichoner Avenue to Ward Place. That's why I've come to this message board. I'm concerned. Like "Elizabeth Ann", I'm all too familiar with the effect that certain types of Irvington Avenue redevelopment could have on adjoining residential streets. And like her, I would like to get some FACTS about it. Has anyone out there actually heard this issue discussed by any of the village's governing bodies: Board of Trustees, the Board of Adjustment,or the Planning Board?
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James
Citizen
Username: Mcgregorj
Post Number: 88
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
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I believe that Irvington Ave is currently zoned for townhouses. Any change in use would require a hearing. Before a hearing, I think nearby landowners are notified (10 days in advance or something?). It's available in the statutes on the SO website.
Right now, they're clearing the lot next to me (I live on the corner of Irvington and Lindsley) to build 3 townhouses... |
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