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chatterbox
Citizen
Username: Chatterbox
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:12 pm: | 
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I would like to make a prediction about the police getting involved with the unruly children at the library. If the police continually get call to the library I'm sure some of these kids will be arrested for trespassing. As a parent, how would you like to get notified from the police that you have to come get your kid out of the juvenile facility. Try explainging that to your boss. Also, I bet the school would like to know which one of their students got arrested and discipline would be enforced from the school as well. (Just a prediction). If these kids are being violent towards each other, employees or others using the library, then yes the police should be called. But being loud, running up and down the stairs, lets keep the police out of this. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3832
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:34 pm: |
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Phenx
How can the school enforce the behavior of the students outside of school? The Library is not school property and they unruly students are not at a school sponsored event. If these were private school kids acting up, I think the school might have some leverage.
I'm pretty sure the parents of these kids know what's going on. there was an uproar about this in Maplewood at least. The parents felt their kids were being singled out and picked on.
You know chatterbox at first I was for keeping the police out of this. But after reading your post from 1:12pm today I am 100% for calling the police and having the unruly disrespectful teenagers removed from the library if after speaking with the parents the behavior continues.
If the library has to ask a kid more then one to settle down, and it gets to the point the parents are called; the parents should be made aware the next time the police will be called. Have the parent and teenager sign something that they understand what the consequences will be if they cause any further problems.
Maybe it will take a parent having to explain to their boss their little angel doesn't know how to act respectfully. |
Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 149
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:19 pm: |
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Is this the problem? The library is a public place. The librarians can't kick people out. Maybe what the kids are doing isn't bad enough for the police to be justified in making them leave the building.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3312
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:29 pm: |
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If Bill Calabrese can have the police called to remove John Pogany from a BOT Meeting for APPLAUDING, I would say it is fair game to call the police for kids that are being unruly.
I have been in the Library in the past and witnessed similar rude behavior and was amazed it is tolerated. When I grew up, we were taught to be QUIET in a Library. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3837
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 7:58 pm: |
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MHD-
Please tell me you aren't serious about Bill calling the police on John. Was this recently? Reminds me of the council in Morris County who not only called the police on someone who didn't agree with them, they had the person ARRESTED!
And like you, when I was growing up we were taught to use library voices when in the adult section of the library. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3313
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 9:52 pm: |
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JTA,
Yup...Calabrese had Ed Matthews call the police to have John Pogany removed from the audience for applauding during the BOT Meeting on Jan 23.
Fortunately, John left on his own, but apparently TWO police officers were sent. |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 211
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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You mean John Pogany expressed his approval by applauding on something that was said, and Village President asked the Village Attorney to call the police to remove the "perpetrator".
What a disgrace!
In a public meeting a village resident expresses his approval of a certain issue and applauds; that issue is against what the Village President stands for; so the Village President calls for the removal of that Village resident using the Village's police force?
My god! Where are we living? In a 1939 Germany with Adolph Hitler as the ruler? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2303
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 11:13 pm: |
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To be fair, can you give us more context about this (or was it a recent meeting that was webcast?). I can imagine if the applauding was continuing beyond the normal time, or prevented the meeting from continuing, I could understand.
I don't mean to say that there was justification for calling the police - just that I could see a possible situation where it would make snse. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3314
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 12:09 am: |
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Rastro,
If I can still post files on your server, I will post the videoclip. |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonhw
Post Number: 101
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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Did you mean:
www.howard-levison.com/bot01232006_Clapping1.wmv
or
www.howard-levison.com/bot01232006_Clapping.wmv
or should we ask Bill what he meant by getting out of a jam?
www.howard-levison.com/bot01232006_Bills_Jams.wmv
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joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 8
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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I was there, and must add that the real problem was that to a certain, very important, trustee the applause seemed to be "sarcastic."
I am sure if someone spoke glowingly about downtown progress at Lake Beifus, or the Shop Worn site, and was applauded, the police would not be called.
I did tell the perpetrator to "cut it out," because the clapping was too loud for my tender ears.
jd |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3844
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 1:03 pm: |
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Howard-
Thanks for posting the links. But the first one only shows people clapping. Doesn't show the reason. The second link doesn't work. And the third has Calabrese thanking I guess the fire dept. Can you, or MHD, or even John, please tell us what led up to Calabrese calling the police?
Joel- Even if John was being sarcastic when he applauded, it's within his right to be. It's called freedom of speech / expression. No? |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 12
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 1:12 pm: |
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NO. It is sarcastic clapping, and is against the law here.
All criticism of local government must be stopped.
jd |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 212
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 1:43 pm: |
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Calabrese considers South Orange as his fiefdom. Do you blame him? He has good reasons for that. We gave them to him. We have elected and re-elected him and his cronies for the last seventeen years.
Wake up South Orange. We have the wrong people at the helm. When are we going to learn? |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonhw
Post Number: 102
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 2:41 pm: |
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The first is the response to two promotions in the PD.
The second works fine for me and is Michael Goldberg presenting his Conflict of Interest arguments on the Parking Authority appointment. (see NR letter to the Editor)
The third is Bills remarks on the officers being promoted - all he could state is that they got him out of a lot of jams. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2304
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 4:37 pm: |
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JTA, I don't quite get it from the clips, but if the clapping is disrupting the meeting, then it is reasonable to ask the person to stop, and if they don't, to have them removed.
If I were to go to every BOT meeting and start shouting over everyone so that nothing could get done (ok, bad example  ), then it would be reaonable for me to be removed... |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3316
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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Quote:but if the clapping is disrupting the meeting, then it is reasonable to ask the person to stop, and if they don't, to have them removed.
Rastro, exactly my point above regarding the library: "If Bill Calabrese can have the police called to remove John Pogany from a BOT Meeting for APPLAUDING, I would say it is fair game to call the police for kids that are being unruly." |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 285
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 11:22 am: |
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Why such a big to-do over an isolated incident? |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3870
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:37 pm: |
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Glock-
Which are you saying is an 'isolated' incident? The library and rowdy teens or the clapping at a BOE meeting? You must mean the BOT meeting because the library constantly has problems with rowdy teens. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 286
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 12:47 pm: |
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I've never had a problem with rowdiness at the library in the 12 or so years I've used it. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3878
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 1:39 am: |
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Go to the library some afternoon about 20 minutes after the middle school is let out; then you will see what goes on.
Maplewood is worse then South Orange. I bet if you said something to the kids, they'd listen to you. |
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