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Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 536
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 10:05 pm: | 
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Sean- There is a storefront for rent on SO Ave. across the street from Preston's Funeral Home. It is currently occupied by a (terrible) deli/convien. store. It works for you on the following levels:
1) Near SHU campus. thus keeping the general idea of the original location.
2) It is actually larger than your previous space.
3) The place is already set-up for hot sands. and a prep area
4) More parking options exist there as opposed to Irvington Ave.
5) we need you back!
check into it |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Supporter
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 90
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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Great location and I believe that there is a municpal parking lot next door. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3824
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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GREAT idea Matt! And there is a store down the street by the Carvel. |
Ace789nj
Citizen
Username: Ace789nj
Post Number: 232
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 12:42 am: |
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It has a "Subway" coming soon sign in the window |
Cartman
Citizen
Username: Cartman
Post Number: 27
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:53 am: |
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The best part is that on the way out, you can give all your spare change to the Salvation Army guy that hangs out by the entrance to the Acme across the street. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3827
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 6:48 am: |
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I thought the 'Subway' sign was down by the Middle School? |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 375
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 7:43 am: |
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The Acme??? |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3102
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 7:49 am: |
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The Acme Supermarket was at the CVS location many years ago. Cartman: The tall salvation army guy is still around town. I see him riding his bike during the summertime. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3828
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 8:04 am: |
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Nevermind. I just came from the Village and the sign for Subway is in the store by Carvel. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 113
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:47 pm: |
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Matt
That spot was something that we looked at as a potential site. We passed for the following reasons:
We are looking to doing something much bigger and better than Campus Sub. Of course we would still offer the staple sandwiches but the offerings would be expanded greatly -thus the need for even more space than what is there.
Traffic is terrible. I slowed down to check it out and almost was rear-ended. And if you do not know to pull into the Municipal parking lot, you have to quickly bang a right onto Prospect Street. After that, you're dead. All the streets are one-ways and you're lost. Deliveries would be decent though.
Those of you who have been to our Hackettstown location would know what we are talking about. It would be awesome in SO! |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 114
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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BTW... Thanks for the suggestion Matt. It's cool you still offer support.
-Sean |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1726
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 2:05 pm: |
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Sean:
Given your requirements, I can't imagine anywhere in South Orange is going to work. We live in a high-traffic town, and that's unlikely to change. (It's also not necessarily a bad thing for a business owner.)
People circle the block in Maplewood for 10 mins just to park and pick up their Chinese food. If you have a good product, I think people will find you.
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Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 826
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 2:11 pm: |
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Maybe Campus Sub should open in the old Midus building. By the time Town Hall Deli is ready to move in there it will be 2025. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 397
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 2:58 pm: |
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I just dont get it there have been many locations that have come available....blue moon...the space where the art store was...sickley building....the space next to bunnys and on and on and on. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 115
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 3:57 pm: |
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Blue Moon was not available, it was a private deal. Was never aware of it. Do like the spot though but wouldn’t pay for the name (often referred to as blue sky). We have our own product and identity.
Delis depend on lunch business. Try finding a parking space near Sickley during lunch hour. It's all commuters. I did inquire about the space one time.... the figures were staggering! Even if the business BOOMED, the profits would have been paid to the landlord. I mean well above anything close to SO rates…..!
When we looked into the Art Store, it was only for sale at close to $1M... and had tenants. Not until the skate shop bailed out did it become accessible.
Mayor, I tried to buy the Midas building loooong ago. Wish the town let me. Instead they chose to negotiate ONLY with THD. Maybe it will become available again?
Looked at a building owned by Sayid. It was about to fall down and he was asking Manhattan prices.
It's not about volume. There are spots that would do BIG business but if the leases are so crazy, there is no use. Delis do not operate on large margins. There is too much operating, fixed and variable costs that would kill you. That is why so many barber shops and nails salons open. Beyond the lease, just about everything is profit.
I know many of you see it as easy but there is so much more into opening a deli that can service it’s area. I do see people struggle for parking in Maplewood but they plan to walk “The Village”. Areas past Town Hall and certainly opposite Prestons, have almost no foot traffic.
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chatterbox
Citizen
Username: Chatterbox
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 4:39 pm: |
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It looks like Mr. Flood has excuses for every idea that people offer. You almost got rear ended and that's why you don't want that space. It sounds like he will never return to South Orange. |
Sitoyan
Citizen
Username: Sitoyan
Post Number: 141
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:11 pm: |
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Where was the original Campus Sub located? and when did it cease to exist? and why? |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 116
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 5:46 pm: |
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Sorry you feel that way Chatterbox. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3836
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 7:51 pm: |
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Chatterbox-
I think you have the wrong impression of what Seas is doing. It doesn't sound to me like he's making excuses. I know if I couldn't somewhat easily find a spot on the Ave or in the lots by Bunny's, I wouldn't waste my time driving around until I did. Even for one of Sean's Subs!
They had a GREAT location when they were near Ward on Irvington Ave. If I remember correctly someone bought the building and decided they wanted to run their own sub shop. Then tried to ride the coat tails of the REAL Campus Sub. Not sure if this other place is still there or not. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1727
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 8:42 pm: |
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I'm not suggesting opening a restaurant is easy... but I really don't know where in South Orange (or maplewood) you hope to go. Give us a "for instance" of a location you'd like, even if it's occupied by an existing restaurant.
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Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 117
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 9:44 pm: |
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cmonty, I think it would be unfair to those I have spoken to about possibly buying them or to their landlords who have approached me. As well, I do want to inflate anything we have tried (or are trying) to negotiate. I did say that I tried to buy the Midas property long ago and Blue Moon was a nice spot.
I see it this way, if we are fortunate enough to find a good spot that works for the store and for the customer, that would be awesome.
I wont -however, jump into something at will. It takes big captial to build out (what we want to do) the correct way. There is so much that is involved...
Are there apartments above? (ventilation)
Parking
Duct work
Plumbing
Electrical
Mason
Fire Systems
Fit Out
Tile
Floors
Bathrooms
Lighting
Handicap Accessable
Refrigeration
Deliveries
Garbage
Dry Storage
Walk In Referigeration
Adequate Kitchen space
Prep Space
Catering storage
Beverage Coolers
Deli Boxes
Air Compressors
Architects
Builders
Zoning
Permits
...just to name a few and that before you buy a shaker of salt, the actual equipment, menu boards or turn on the lights.
Add some of those up and you have a MAJOR investment. It's real dollars and has to be planned out right.
If -for whatever reason, it does not work out... that's my loss -no one elses.
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Debra Davidson
Citizen
Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 124
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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What about the Sweet Confection Store front for The new Campus Sub Shop. It's big and has room for tables. Sean please take look at that sight. I think it is a very good sight if it has not been already rented out. Good luck. |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 2960
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 8:28 pm: |
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Sean - as the revitalization of Springfield Avenue continues, perhaps you should consider something in that area - we'd definately make the trip for a good old Campus Sub. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3869
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 5, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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Debra has a good idea! SC was right on Villaga P;aza. People can park behind Blockbusters and walk across the street. Or in the lot behind the old Town Hall Deli and cut up the path. |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 538
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 2:18 am: |
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Sean- I apologize for uneeded bs on this board. I was simply attempting to help. I do enjoy your sandwiches and miss the kind service you guys have always given my mom,dad, & fam. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 118
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 8:33 am: |
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Sweet Concessions is vacant? I was checking some spots out on Saturday and thought it was still operating.
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cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1729
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 6, 2006 - 9:47 am: |
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Sweet Concessions is still operating as a caterer, as far as I know. Don't think the space is vacant.
However, with them, the deli going in across from the train station, Frank's, Subway and Quiznos, it does seem like several restaurants have managed to find locations in South Orange over the past year. Sean, maybe you should fire your real estate agent. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3879
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 1:48 am: |
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Sean
Rumor has it Julie is closing Sweet Concessions. Don't know how true it is though. I have her home phone number. Though I haven't spoken with her since the summer, I can call and ask her if you'd like. I also think I saw one of the stores by the camera shop vacant.
BTW - The CVS mentioned. Are you guys talking about the one in West Orange on Valley Road?
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Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 119
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 8:42 am: |
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Thanks |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3911
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 12:45 am: |
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Don't know if this location has been mentioned but there is a store for rent by the bagel shop. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 120
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:30 am: |
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Subway and Quiznos are not good locations for what I am planning. They do not depend on much foot traffic but rather adverising blitz. As well, their offerings are limited -at best. Much was the same with Campus Sub. We grew out of that model long before leaving SO. What we want would be on a much grander scale and location would be paramount.
I really want to come back to SO for a variety of reasons but do not HAVE to. With that in mind, I am willing to be patient for the perfect place to come available ... or landlords to realize their storefronts are not located in lower Manhattan and will remain vacant und ugly until they change their position, the town steps in or a chain/franchise takes the plunge. |
SoxHater2090
Citizen
Username: Soxhater2090
Post Number: 8
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:19 am: |
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Sean
With due respect, all you have to do is take a ride and look around, there are So MANY EMPTY locations of various sizes in different locations, IT IS LAUGHABLE that you say you cannot find a place to re-open!
You are mis-leading people, and are disingenuous!!!! If you do not want to be in SO, then don't; but don't keep blaming the Landlords!
If you do want to be here, stop complaining, and make a deal!!!! |
chatterbox
Citizen
Username: Chatterbox
Post Number: 20
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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Sean, There is an empty lot just as you enter the "s" turns on South Orange Av. And there is plenty of parking in the Girl Scout Camp area. It's perfect for you. |
JMF
Citizen
Username: Jmf
Post Number: 243
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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SoxHater,
Do you have your own storefront business?
If you want to have your own store, you don't jump at what is available, especially if you can afford to wait for the right opportunity.
If they reopen.. great! If they don't... fine.
but who is anyone on a message board to complain about their ability to wait? It is not our investment. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 121
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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Thanks JMF, my thoughts exactly. It obvious that Sox either does not get what I am saying or has no idea of how to run a business. Someone who tells the players how to play the game ...from the sidelines.
If I'm going to pay TOP DOLLAR (and I'm talking well ABOVE what SO real estate is worth) for a storefront, it is either going to be the perfect location or in an area that does not have 1/3 of the buildings (surrounding it) vacant with 2 year old "Coming Soon" signs or run down.
I have to take that comment as someone with an axe to grind or ignorance.
People ask me to buy the Gaslight and say, "You'll do great!" or tell me to go into the Sickley Building. Some people have even suggested that I buy Shoprite. It's just not that easy.
There has to be a return on investment (at least for me). I am not in a position to wait 5-10 years before my investment starts to pay dividends. I'm not Panera Bread. I'm a local guy who own delis and I am willing to wait and/or lose out.
Check Sickley, check the store next to the bagel shop, look into any building owned by Sayid. You'll quickly see that it takes a whole lot of $4 sandwiches just to break even -for the amount of money being asked. Why do you think that they have been vacant for so long? I'm not the only one interested in possibly filling one.
So thanks again JMF, as I have said over and over -I have another store that is doing quite well (knock wood). If I find the right place -at a fair market rate, I would love to take it. If not, it's MY loss. No one elses.
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susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:57 am: |
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Sean, you make some good points, and I wish you luck in finding a location.
However, I'm really tired of hearing you whine about how South Orange doesn't have any real estate good enough for your concept (do you have trouble getting dates with fashion models too? ). It's a sandwich shop for goodness sake, not the Taj Mahal.
If you find what you want, we'll be in to see if it is worth the wait. If South Orange turns out to be too expensive for your concept, best of luck with your stores elsewhere.
Unsolicited advice: I'd recommend thanking anyone who suggests a location, and avoiding insulting the potential customers (even if they started it)! |
SoxHater2090
Citizen
Username: Soxhater2090
Post Number: 9
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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JMF-
Do YOU own your own storefront business??? I am not complaining about Sean's "ability to wait". In fact, I wish him success in his endeavor, and hope he does open- I think you are missing my point.
I just do not believe him; as far as I can tell, he has been on this board complaining for a long time about his inability to find a "good enough", or "suitable" location. Everything is too big, too small, no parking, too busy, not busy enough- which is it?!
I personally think it's nonsense. As any of us can see, there are all kinds of stores available now, and have been over the past at least few years.
When Sean constantly refers to not enough parking, or too small, one has to wonder. There was a sign on the Jean Store for a long time. That store is larger than his previous one; municipal parking behind.
He says A&W is too small. Ok. Why didn'the buy the Midas building from the Town before THD? It was up for auction previous and NO ONE BID on it, even though Sean constantly complains he had no opportunity (At least that's what I think Mrosner, or someone, said awhile back).
As I said, my point is not a criticism of Sean waiting, but rather, I think that there have been PLENTY of opportunities if he really wanted to be here. Here's just a VERY short list:
-Blue Moon Diner
-Ariyoshi
-Laced
-Orange Gift Store (?)
-Old Comic Book Store near train station
-Jean Store- SOA
-Empty luncheonette near CHS
-Village Wine Cellar (Sean, surely THAT is big enough for your concept?!)
-empty retail in Sickley building
-empty store near Sonny's Bagels
-Barber Shop under PRO PETS
and On and ON and ON
My (abbreviated) list includes many locations currently, or previously available, that apparently were'nt good enough for him.
I hope he finds something and does re-open. either way, I wish he'd stop blaming the LL's and either admit he no longer wants to be here or make a deal and open somewhere.
I wish him success. It would be good for SO. |
The Oracle of MOL
Supporter
Username: Oracle_of_mol
Post Number: 202
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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"If I'm going to pay TOP DOLLAR (and I'm talking well ABOVE what SO real estate is worth) for a storefront, it is either going to be the perfect location or in an area that does not have 1/3 of the buildings (surrounding it) vacant with 2 year old "Coming Soon" signs or run down."
While (when I resided there) never a major fan of Mr. Flood's S.O. offerings while he still operated there (preferring THD, Don's, and The Great Wazu), I'm nonetheless amused by his "wallflower" approach to local real estate investment. Even as his long-time patrons proclaim their support for him in his quest, and even while beating hs breast as to his eternal love for your Village, Mr. Flood seems unwilling to take the risk of creating an "anchor" enterprise, which would clearly attract other stores into any strip where Campus Sub located.
(With apologies to those who so enjoy lambasting your local BOT...) The true devotion to your community which Mr. Flood claims is evidently unacompanied by either vision or guts.
Go in peace.
--The Oracle of MOL |
JMF
Citizen
Username: Jmf
Post Number: 244
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 3:36 pm: |
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"Do YOU own your own storefront business??? I am not complaining about Sean's "ability to wait". In fact, I wish him success in his endeavor, and hope he does open- I think you are missing my point. "
I do not. Although it is a possibility in the near furure.
My only point is, what would his motive be to talk about the possibilities on a message board, but not really want to be back in SO? It doesn't make sense.
There are a lot of things that have to fall into place to have the right fit for you. Whatever his reasons for not running a sub shop in specific locations... are really none of our business. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 122
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 3:48 pm: |
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Sox, you mention thses places as if there were "For Sale" signs on their windows. As with most every food establishments, deals have to be discussed in private in fear your staff will abruptly quit (should they feel you are selling). It's a job safety thing and -somewhat, legitimate. Some of the places you looked into I DID have discussions about. In fact, one or more were very close to complete before something disrupted the deal. One -for instance, was a major architectural flaw.... not a lack of balls.
Since you question my lack of enthusiasm for opening a store, I will let you know this...
I did try to buy Midas.
I did offer The Village of South Orange ASKING PRICE for the property
This we WAY BEFORE Town Hall Deli was ever in the mix.
It looks like South Orange chose to solicit my offer to THD.
Think about it....
The property is vacant for years. It goes to public auction twice -and fails. I go to SO and offer ASKING PRICE. THD pays $75K more than asking price (my offer).
Why would anyone pay MORE than asking price if that asking price FAILED -twice at auction? Unless they knew of another offer? What would be their incentive or reasoning?
I posed this question before, "Was there a sweetheart deal to get the bank in THD's old location?" Was THD told they would be relocating near a REDEVELOPEMENT ZONE? Does that redelevopement zone now include THD? If so, how does that effect them (taxes etc...)?
Susan, FYI - the plan is much bigger than a simple sandwich shop. Otherwise some of the above-mentioned locations might have worked. |
SoxHater2090
Citizen
Username: Soxhater2090
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 5:01 pm: |
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Sean,
If you offered S.O. the asking price after two failed public auctions (by the way, why didn't you bid in the auction in the first place?) why didn't the Town sell to you? Or why didn't they force you and THD to "best and final"... maybe because you are being deceitful?!
I do not believe what you are saying, and I would bet if Marc Rosner is on line he could refute the facts... It makes no sense.
The Town had egg on their face for awhile, after having purchased Midas, and not re-selling. If you really offered them $, I am sure they would have jumped at the chance to make some $ for the Town, and not have to worry about another undeveloped property.
And, if you wanted the property so badly, why didn't you offer S.O. $80k over asking, if THD supposedly offered $75?! Also, I believe Marc Rosner gave us the #'s a long time ago, and THD did NOT pay $75 over asking, it was an odd $ amount, for some reason, if I remember correctly.
I did not know a redevelopment zone has been declared- I thought it is the subject of much speculation here, (MOL) and in the NEWS RECORD- (in fact, I do not believe this is true either), so it is doubtful THD knew at that time either.
If you want the Midas building so badly, why don't you offer the new owner $ for it?
It seems to me that THD got an opportunity to rent their space to a NEW business in Town; located, and found a new building to move their business; and is re-habbing a previous eye-sore. Seems like you are bad-mouthing them for something you can't seem to accomplish.
Not only that, S.O. will be better off, having a new, modern THD, but also a business that previously wasn't here- WAMU.
Seems pretty good to me.
Again I say, I hope you are sincere about moving back to Town, but I do not believe you are; if you are, quit blaming everyone else, and find a new location. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 123
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:44 pm: |
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Sox,
You will not find me bad mouthing THD and never have. So whatever it "seems" to you ...is very wrong. Please (and I mean this respectfully) do not put words in my mouth.
I will however, address your questions.
First, I did not make any offers at the first two auctions because (at the times of the auctions) I was not in the market for a new business and/or building. That simple.
My offer was IN WRITING and presnted FACE TO FACE. There were a few follow up meetings/private discussions.
You mention the town having egg on their face etc... There are many more properties, dealings etc... in which the town should regret. Midas was not (and is not) the only one.
I did not make a counter offer (as you suggest) because I was not not invited to do so. I never had an opportunity -this should bother you most -not if I am genuine or not. Stop being trivial.
I only learned about the THD deal through rumors and -finally, the News Record MANY months later.
Shortly after my offer, I recieved a Hand SIGNED letter from a very high ranking town official (whose name I will withhold). This person acknowledged my offer and notified me that the town was going to "list" the property with a realtor before making any decisions... and that I "would be kept informed of any progress" (once again, the end result should bother you). The date and post mark of this letter is LONG before any deal was made with the THD and well before the THD/SO deal was ever announced.
You are right, "it makes no sense". Go figure.
Here are the questions you should be asking...
Why did the town choose to deal EXCLUSIVELY with THD? Why did they not try to get the BEST PRICE for the property? Afterall, the tax payers deserve that -right?
Why was it not listed? What was the hurry? Afterall, it was a dump all these years, why not do what best for the tax payers?
Simply put, the deal stinks! Especially in light of all the acqusations about secret dealings/relationships/nepotism. Don't attack me, just look at the potings on this board. Then put yourself in my shoes...would you trust anyone?
Finally, if I could produce documentation to account for all of this, would you think differently?
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3976
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:31 pm: |
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Uh Oh. I smell trouble. |
SoxHater2090
Citizen
Username: Soxhater2090
Post Number: 11
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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Sean
I will once again say, I hope you find a place for your business. I think it would be great for a long-standing business to return to Town, and hope that both you and THD are successful doing it- we certainly need more people moving in than out!
My point all along, however, has been that I do not understand why you cannot find a "good enough" location. I will not be redundant and list the many currently and previously vacant properties... but I will say there, are, and have been, a wide variety. I am sure the rents are in a wide range as well, depending upon factors like location, parking, accessibility, size, all the things you say are part of your decision. We all know the three most important retail factors are: Location, Location, Location, right?
As far as the "proof" regarding your dealings with the Town that are questionable at best, I am sure many readers of MOL would be interested, if you have any. After all, there seem to be implications, at least, of other instances of questionable ties between Town officials and other people.
Your documentation would certainly help those posters in their quest to oust the current regime, so yes, I would think that any documentation you have regarding the Midas building would be of interest, so citizens could be better informed.
Even though it would not explain why nothing else has been a satisfactory location for your new venture.....
The Midas building is but one of the many locations that could have been suitable; obviously, it is spoken for, but that is far from the only plausible location in Town.
Again, I wish you the best of luck.
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Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 126
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 9:22 am: |
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Sox, I wish I could show you just how difficult it is. Having done it a few times, I know first-hand but should understand why you can not see it. Though frustrating to me, I should not over react.
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Erin Cartman
Citizen
Username: Carnac
Post Number: 39
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
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I think there are two things at work here.... 1) I personally agree with Sox and Oracle on this -- I question why it would take so long for Mr. Flood to move back into South Ornage. But more importantly 2) From all of Mr. Flood's comments the Campus Sub that we remember and love is not what he wants to bring back. He is talking something on a much bigger level. I believe this is what is both causing him trouble finding a place and will ultimately disappoint those of us who picture the orignal place of lore in our minds.
As the saying goes.... "You can never go home again." |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 287
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 1:47 pm: |
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Campus sub should move iinto the giant restaurant location next to Zaydas...it has its own parking lot..and is close to campus...
instead of moving one of two decent businesses out of the area...lets try to keep them in |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 128
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 1:52 pm: |
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Erin,
For all it's worth, I'll try to explain one last time:
1) I DO NOT need to come back to SO I WANT to. Wants and Needs are very different.
I have a place that (fortunately) is doing quite well elsewhere. Because of my relation to SO and my affection towards the town, I WANT to come back. That is why I am being so patient and not jumping on the first inflated storefront to come along.
Yes, I plan to do something much grander. While still offering the "Campus Sub" staples, there was much more we could have done. We were limited to space and location. Moreover, there are many things that are needed in SO but ignored. Hopefully I would be able to address those -with the right place and size. |
Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Supporter
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 95
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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Does the site next to Zayda's have parking in the back? I usually walk to Zayda's so I am not sure. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 129
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:08 pm: |
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We tried to go to that location LOOOOng ago. Yes there is parking but very little in the rear. It's mostly on the side. The parking lot is a "common lot" by that -I mean. it is shared with the stores to the side of it.
The building is owned by (SURPRISE!) Sayid and some people from SO Village asked that I look into it. They felt we would be good neighbors that would take care of the area.
Graciously, Sayid offered to sell it to me for 3/4 of a million dollars -almost triple what he bought it for shortly before. What a deal!
The restaurant is not functional and had a goldfish pond in the middle of the floor. At the time it was a failing Middle Eastern restaurant. There were people sleeping on the floor upstairs with many laptops surrounding them.
Not tring to be funny .... I did not know if I should have contacted the FBI. Everything was real weird -especially during that time. |
ril
Citizen
Username: Ril
Post Number: 472
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:20 pm: |
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the ground floor offices in the red brick building across from CluckU seem to be empty now. there isn't a dedicated parking lot for the storefronts in that block but they always seem to be pretty busy. It would be wonderful to have a good deli in this area. |
noracoombs
Citizen
Username: Noracoombs
Post Number: 134
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:26 pm: |
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I believe Sayid is the owner of that building as well.... |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1395
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
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I thought Saiyd had been before the Planning Board about a year ago and got permission to build a second floor on that property for use as apartments?
There was a parking variance required and guess who said it wasn't a problem?
I'm referring to the property on Irvington. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 399
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 2:50 pm: |
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It seems to me that many of the worse looking buildings in town are owned by Saiyd. THIS is the guy who holds the key to how much of the downtown area does or will look. Heaven help us. If this guy is in arrears on any tax bill, the town should put leins in effect or do whatever it has to immediately to put this guy on notice. No more sweetheart deals, special treatment, etc., regardless of his connections to the VP. |
The Oracle of MOL
Supporter
Username: Oracle_of_mol
Post Number: 206
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 9:19 pm: |
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Adhering more closely to the letter and spirit of this thread... I'm afraid that your town simply isn't big enough for the darkly acquisitive Mr. Sayid and the forlorn Mr. Flood.
Clearly, there is some wicked cabal afoot, no doubt expressly designed to thwart Sean's most excellent gustatory ambitions.
Stay tuned... Or not.
I prefer bread and cheese with my whine, so seek me elsewhere in the future. In the words of the insufferable Jim Rome, "I am out."
Go in peace.
--The Oracle of MOL |
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