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Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Supporter
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 91
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:14 am: | 
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I would like to defend Terri here. The way I understood her comment was that South Orange has long had a diverse demographic. But like Teaneck, where I grew up, the various boards and commissions that ran the town did not reflect the electorate that put them in office. What she was emphasizing as new was that minorities that have long lived in the town, now have a visible presence on the governing body (BOT). She was stating, in effect, that the values and desires of the newly representative BOT would be different than in the past: i.e. new demographic, new approach. I was at the meeting and I think it was intended as a much broader philosophical statement than the context in which it was made. Just my view. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 463
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:33 am: |
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What's the color of her skin got to do with a "new approach". What is the new approach? Philosophical statements aren't really going to move things forward in SO. More global warming (hot air) is not what the BOT needs for progress. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8560
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 9:34 am: |
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Being Hispanic isn't a qualification. Being Asian isn't a qualification. Being Black isn't a qualification. Being White isn't a qualification. Being a woman isn't a qualification. Being a man isn't a qualification.
So why pretend it is? |
mwoodwalk
Citizen
Username: Mwoodwalk
Post Number: 512
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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Right on Dave. And, with respect to your comments, Mr. Jacobs, I don't see how having a board "more reflective" of the community's racial make-up makes the board members somehow more competent or qualified to represent the town. Again, tell me how it is that only a black board member can effectively represent a black citizen, how only a white board member can represent a white citizen? There is no logical relationship between racial background or gender or any other demographic profile and a special talent to govern.
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susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1338
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 11:06 pm: |
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Daniel, do you defend her in trying to hold the private contractors of private developers to her diversity aims?
It is hard enough to get things done around here without forcing everyone looking for approval from the board to make sure to bring a racially balanced group to present.
Mwoodwalk -- I can promise you that Mary Theroux (a caucasian woman) cannot effectively represent me (a caucasian woman) on the Parking Authority!! |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3909
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 12:20 am: |
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Mr Jacobs-
Sad to say but if Terri believes that until she became a member of the BOT the African Americans living in South Orange weren't represented on the BOT, I think she's a very bad representation for the African American's in our community.
Why in all the time Art Taylor's been on the board he didn't feel the need to draw race into everything? Is it to cover-up and draw attention away from the incompetence of the majority of our BOT?
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Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 311
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 2:59 pm: |
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So basically what we have here is telling potential town employees and current employees if your white...you need not apply?
The race card is getting old...It would be nice if most groups, organizations, companies, towns, agencies were all representative of their populations they represent or service, but it isn't always the case....by taking a small operation like the village and attempting to manipulate promotion and hiring to meet affirmative action quota's would potentially be discrimantory.
HIRE AND PROMOTE THE BEST CANDIDATES REGARDLESS OF RACE, AND BACKGROUND. I AM NOT BOTHERED TO CARE WHAT COLOR THE POLICE OR FIREMAN IS WHEN I CALL THEM FOR HELP. NOR DO I CARE WHAT RACE THE PERSON IS ACCEPTING MY TAX PAYMENT.
I find it disturbing that a trustee would say something that would make it appear her representation of voters will be prioritized to black residents before all other residents. |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 218
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 3:44 pm: |
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Apparently it is not only Terrianne Moore-Abrams with this attitude. Stacey Jennings has also shown her priorities in a dispute with a resident over "certain subtleties" regarding the basketball courts.
Let's face it; they were both unknown quantities in the Village until they were put together by Art Taylor to form the "African-American ticket". Then they got financial support from the S.O.Democratic Committee, chaired by Art Taylor, and got out the African-American population to vote, while the white population was asleep.
So we know that they are indebted to the African-American population, and that's where their loyalties and priorities are.
No surprises here. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 312
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
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Shocking how certain subjects are off limits to those who involve themeselves in every thread? |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 542
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 7:34 pm: |
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She is a race baiting imbecile. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3937
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 2:29 am: |
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Old and Mary-
At least they'll be gone when their term ends. Art knows he's history when his term ends as well. I think both Terri and Stacy are way out of line with their questioning of potential contractors. Instead of asking totally out of line questions about the racial makeup of the employees they should be asking about the company's qualifications and abilites to somehow reconstruct the village.
"New Demographic?" Nope. Just the same old stupidity... |
noracoombs
Citizen
Username: Noracoombs
Post Number: 132
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 8:53 am: |
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Aunt--just curious--why do you say that "Art knows he's history when his term ends"? This is suprising to me--hasn't Trustee Taylor consistently been relected with more votes than any other trustee candidates?
Not that I'm complaining--with the exception of Trustees Devaris and Rosner, I'd like to see the whole board turned over--but I haven't gotten the sense that Trustee Taylor thinks he's going anywhere. If anything, he seems to be grooming himself for bigger and better things--Village President, perhaps? He certainly does seem to love hosting BOT meetings when Mr. Calabrese is not there. |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1391
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:20 am: |
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Aunt - You couldn't understand how ADE wasn't elected since "everyone" on MOL supported them. Wasn't it explained back then that MOL represents only a small percentage of SO voters. And as noracoombs says, Art has consistently received more votes than any other candidate,even though in the MOL survey he received the least votes. This is because the AA participation on MOL is very small. Excuse me for not being more gentle, but you're living in your own MOL world.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3951
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:58 am: |
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Spitz-
Oh I fully understand why ADE wasn't elected. Because of the number of canidates running against the triple horror. If I remeber correctly there were 6, so votes were split among the six. If there had aonly been three, chances are they would have been elected.
My thinking Art is history has nothing to do with who does or doesn't post on MOL. For some reason my post responding to nora didn't post. But my thinking is people are finally going to get tired out what's happening. Therefore, they won't re elect the current BOT memebers when their term is up. |
noracoombs
Citizen
Username: Noracoombs
Post Number: 133
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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Aunt said: "But my thinking is people are finally going to get tired out what's happening. Therefore, they won't re elect the current BOT memebers when their term is up."
From your mouth to god's ears! But I've lived here through two elections now, and I've yet to see that happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but the cynic in me is afraid that the 2007 elections aren't going to be any different. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1349
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:38 am: |
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I'm hopeful, but not convinced, that the next election will be different.
Let's be honest -- most minority groups like to see more representation in the leadership. All other things seeming equal, many of us will vote for the woman/Jew/Catholic/African American/member of the gay community/etc. The S.O. African American community is rightfully a force to be reckoned with if they choose (or feel the necessity) to vote as a block. Those of us who disagree with Bill's administration need to figure out how to meet his bar for candidate diversity. Any ideas?
Unfortunately, only a very small number of us are crazy enough to spend our evenings watching BOT meetings either live or on tape/Tivo. So we can be appalled at the behavior that we see, but face a real and serious problem trying to explain or illustrate it to the broader community. Any ideas? |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 466
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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Get a candidate (or 2).
Take pictures of the 'coming soon' projects that abound in downtown SO.
Prove that the new candidates can get real development in a timely manner.
Say it is time for "new life" on the BOT with a vision for ALL Southorangians.
Say it is time for honesty and action in the local government.
Say that your town deserves more than a bunch of cronies doing crony-style favors.
Have these candidates (and their election team volunteers) hang out every Saturday morning in the village at all the usual stopping places and pass out flyers. The sooner the better.
Hang out at the train station during commuter hours.
Hang out in front of Calabrese's store.
GET THE WORD OUT.
Maplewood had a huge grassroots effort to bring in active district leaders and Profeta a few years back. If they can do it, South Orangutans can do it too!!! |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1351
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Um, how do you "prove that the new candidates can get real development in a timely manner"?
Thanks for the advice! |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 467
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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By showing how inept the current efforts have been, and by syaing you will hire a development consultant (like Maplewood did). But if you think that you can not prove that, then, by all means, don't try.
And your welcome for the advice! |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1392
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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Perhaps a good way to start on this board is to stop with the really vicious attacks on trustees and previous candidates who post on this board. My own reaction is that these attacks don't help to gain the confidence of the many "independant" voters who post or read MOL. There probably aren't even that many "independant" voters who post anymore, but they're out there. These attacks are really a turn-off and only drive people away.
I'm offering this quite candidly and in all sincerity. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 51
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Politics is not for the faint of heart.
So, you have your perfectly valid take on the board.
But, it is not the only opinion.
I believe the fact that this is a private board causes many who raise facts to temper their opinions of what the facts imply.
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Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1393
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
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jd - Unless TR is posting as I'm typing, you have 12,422 posts to catch up to him. (My guess is thjat you're pretty close if you include your prior lives).
No doubt about it, politics is a contact support. I'm just as interested in changing te current political situation as anyone. What I was trying to offer was some advice that when someone like Brian comes back on the board after a long absece, and really was offering advice that was useful, he was attacked with a vengenance that was inexpicable. And the same is true with Jeff. It seems that when he comes on and is really trying to offer some answers or an explanation, he's attacked.
Mark is always a target for some. People may not agree with Mark, but at least he's been there to try to answer questions. When he does, he's attacked, and then people complain that trustees won't come on the board.
I was trying to articulate my own feeling that if some of these postings reflect the venom and viciousness of the people supporting some of the "in crowd," I'm not sure I would feel comfortable if they were in office. Have at it.
And as you know, I've been pretty vocal in calling them as I see them.
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joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 52
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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I have but one life to give for my township.
jd |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1394
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:16 am: |
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Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 86
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 11:41 pm: |
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Well it appears I have to sound off on this. Instead of trying to interpret what was implied I will only give my 2 cents for what it’s worth. Given that the demographic of SO of African Americans is between 20% - 33%; this should be reflected in the demographic makeup of those employed in our municipal government – I’m talking about Village Hall, DPW, SOFD & SOPD – the group that derives their salaries from our taxes. I’m sure we can find qualified people for these positions and this would be a better reflection of our diverse community – I’m talking about inclusion here.
I am bothered by the use of patronage whether it comes from the local Democratic Party or local politicians who use the employment openings in SO to find jobs for their cronies.
Another group, which creates a disconnect between qualified individuals that attempt to find work in municipal government is the issue of the municipal worker union. It is this group that will place their member regardless of qualifications simply because he or she is a union member. This I see as a much greater evil and part of the reason our government is filled with incompetence at all levels.
When it comes to hiring contractors for specialized tasks my thoughts differ. Race should not be a factor but a proven track record of exclamatory performance should be the prominent factor.
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SoxHater2090
Citizen
Username: Soxhater2090
Post Number: 13
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 6:35 am: |
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In the 21st Century, it seems absurd that anyone's ethnicity is a basis for their qualifications to perform a job. That the newest member(s) of the BOT would even suggest this is a necessary qualification for a developer is an outrage.
The "new demographic" in SO is not new, and this is not the point. Everyone who lives in SO was aware of and chose to live in a diverse community when they moved here. To say the newest members represent African American residents rather than ALL residents is a HUGE issue... look around Town ... there are many issues that are common to all "DEMOGRAPHICS"... Sayid Plaza, Beifus, Shop Rite, etc. Not to mention our schools spend the least per pupil of any DFG, and our taxes are among the highest of anyone's....
With so much to be fixed in Town, neither members of the BOT or others interpreting for or against their race comments, should even continue on this ugly course. All members of the BOT should quit pandering to their repective constituents and realize that EVERYONE is their constituent. If they don't, it is incumbent upon us to vote them out, and get members who care about the Town, and actual, not perceived issues. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 469
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:45 am: |
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politicalmon- How about this for a "new" demographic that is actually not "new" - Women! Would you be okay with women taking 50% of all the municipal jobs and then have them announce that they only care about the issues that effect only women?
Cronyism is bad. But it doesn't mean that balancing race within the list of municipal jobs is the fix. Heck, blacks can be cronies, too, no? Get the picture? Now stop being so small minded. THere's a town needs runnin'. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 313
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 9:32 am: |
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This township hires most positions through the civil service system, and promotes through the civil service system with township residents only getting jobs according to the town clerk when I asked a few years ago...she said it has been like that for years. Your Fireman, Cops, DPW, and Village employees were at one time, or are currently Village Residents.
I asked a police officer just an hour ago in the Dunkin Donuts what is the percentage of minorities and women in the town departments. He couldn't say for Village Hall, or the DPW.
He said that the police department has approximately 10 or 11 black or hispanic officers and 2 women out of 55 or so officers. I asked him about how they hire,and he said the Department of Personnel police test. He said they hire who scores well on the exam, not by politics or resume, but I am sure thats a standard answer when people inquire.
He said the town has one female firefighter, but wasn't sure about race or ethnic makeup of that department. He directed me to the police and fire chiefs, and to Village Hall for specific information if I wanted exact numbers. |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 88
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 5:28 pm: |
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Crabby;
I have no problem with women talking 50% of the positions - as long as they are qualified and can do the job. |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 89
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 5:35 pm: |
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Old & Gray;
I personally know someone who is employed in the Maplewood municipal government; I've known her for 20 plus years - I was surprised she took a job in Maplewood given her long commute from southern NJ. I asked her how she came about getting a position in Maplewood and she stated that she yes, had a former position in another community - had passed the civil service test and was a member of the union. Ergo position in Maplewood was offered to her, I'm sure there are more qualified people who live in Maplewood who have a vested interest in their community - but they would be overlooked since they are not in the union or pass this silly prerequisite. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2330
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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They could take the civil service exam and join the union. then they would be just as qualified. I don't know if Maplewood is considered a "desirable" town to work in, thus making it only accessible to those with seniority, but the "silly prerequisite" is one of the ways cronyism and nepotism are reduced in small tosns like ours.
In other words, imagine how bad it would be if these thigns were NOT in place. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 315
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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I don't get what your talking about being in union...to be a union member of the PBA or FMBA you need to be a member of the agency first. This isn't like the teamsters getting their people in private companies.
Maplewood does not hire its police, fire, or DPW through civil service. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 407
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 7:33 pm: |
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As part of the "new demographic", trustee Moore-Abrams made note at a prior BOT meeting that she had appointed a "person of color" to the Board of Health...and an eminent doctor of sports medicine. I don't know, but it seems to me she should have been much more concerned about appointing someone with experience in the field of public health, given threats from avian flu, water quality, disaster preparedness, etc. Does the "new demographic" trump experience in the field? Maybe she expects a pandemic of tennis elbows. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2340
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 12:39 am: |
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O&G.
I just assumed that since this is a South Orange thread, that maplewood would be brought up because it had similar hiring practices. |
Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1234
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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Politicalmon- Some questions:
1) What is a union if not a paid advocacy for employees who pay dues? If you needed legal representation you would pay a lawyer who would further your interests vigorously- why would a paid employees' union do less?
2) What does "exclamatory performance" mean- perhaps you meant "exemplary performance"? |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 98
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 8:18 am: |
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Brett;
I agree with you definition of a union, the problem I have with the some unions is that I believe they hold the public hostage. This occurred when there was a teachers strike @ Columbia HS in the late 80s. I personally know someone whose children were at Columbia at the time and volunteered her services (former college professor) since it appeared the substitute teachers were not qualified or interested in teaching. A teacher’s union representative informed her that if she crossed the line her children would be targeted after the strike. How is this action in the publics interest?
Now mind you when it comes to health care the teachers use the same state organization that represents the municipal workers. And their contract states that if there are any increase in health care costs this is passed straight to the taxpayers of our community. Everywhere else management reigns in costs, chooses a different provider or passes on the increase to the employees & management. Not in our case, we the overtaxed taxpayers of South Orange are viewed to have unlimited resources. Don’t even get me started about the lucrative pensions that many of these groups manipulate in their final years to increase their payout when they retire – again off the backs of the taxpayers. Sooner or later something has to give – I’m personally hoping the rapid increase in our residential taxes will wake up the average homeowner in our community to become more aware of what it will take to control costs.
The municipal workers union has had a monopoly in a state where duplicity in local government bureaucracy has run amuck. If there were a free market for these groups we would not see the outrageous property tax costs that are among the highest in the nation in addition to a more streamlined efficient government.
Look at the UAW – their greed will doom one of the big 3 before the end of this decade just like the municipal, state and federal workers union will not control costs and the fiscally weak of our community will be forced to move to less desirable communities.
Yes, I did mean exemplary performance – My grammar has never been my strong suite. Being 1st generation American born in NYC with parents whose 2nd language was English I was at a slight disadvantage. Sometimes I’m in too much of a rush to use a spell & grammar checker – I’ll try to be more diligent in the future.
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Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 102
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 9:49 am: |
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Politicalmom: You're the best. You nailed it. Thank you. It really does lift my morale to see that some people understand the problem facing all of us. Regarding taxpayer abuse, has anyone been paying attention to the Joint Sewer Commission? Everyone on our local government boards wants to be appointed to that committee to get on the State Pension plan, for a do nothing job. Ask Dr. Allan Rosen, formerly of Harvard and now of South Orange, why, not one, but two firms were recently hired by the Joint Sewer commission to provide "financial planning advice?" WE should have a revolution again. (Allan, its about that
ridiculous sweatshirt. Please dress like a businessman when you are spending my taxpayer money, and not like a campus nerd). |
Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1244
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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I agree with what you say, Politcalmon, and I likewise abhor the disgusting tactics that one sees on both sides of a strike (managements have been known to target people as well). I also agree that unions like the UAW have consistently cost themselves jobs and money by bleeding their own industries dry in the name of collective bargaining. But I don't see where public employee unions are to blame for this failure to accomodate an allegedly new demographic, especially when Civil Service testing is "blind". And how do municipal workers have the monopoly when it is they who are bound to one employer and can't seek similar or superior positions elsewhere? Teachers aside, public contract employees (DPW, clerical, Police, Fire) cannot leave without losing seniority, rank and pay. And Public Safety employees are Federally prohibited from striking, which is why they are permitted a binding arbitration system that necessitates strong union representation. Also, teachers use the same pension system as municipal workers but they have health benefits that no one else has. Police and Fire use a different system- they have similar benefits, and they earn them in my opinion.
I also think that the BOT should consider vendors who reflect diversity more favorably. But I think it should be a policy they discuss and put forth collectively rather than two Trustees going rogue and ambushing vendors at a public hearing with no advanced warning.
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Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 103
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |
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The second gold medal of the day goes to Brett Weir. You nailed it, too. The remarks made to the contractor were rude, inappropriately timed, and pointless, i.e what if he answered differently? Could they have changed the result?
We were collectively embarrassed by their conduct. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4057
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 5:20 pm: |
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I'm not understanding something. From what I'm understanding, Stacey and Teri have said any companies we hire on behalf of the town should have employees with the same racial demographics as our town, correct? If this is the case, and our town had a demographic make up as Livingston, does this mean because Livingston has a large Asian population, we should hire companies with a lot of Asian employees? Whatever happened to hiring the most qualified?
Politicalmom - I think you express yourself very wwell! Did you ever think of running for the BOT? |
Joe R.
Citizen
Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 282
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 8:58 pm: |
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Don't have the time to read the entire thread, but for what it's worth, if Terri is fired up because the developer didn't bring minority reps to a meeting with Village Officials, she's way off base. Many developers do bring minority reps to such meetings to curry favor. This is very often nothing more than window dressing and cynical pandering. What she should be doing is making sure that the BOT ensures contractually, as a condition of tax abatement (if one is contemplated) that these folks who represent Beifus commit to making sure that the demographic is represented in terms of temporary and permanent jobs generated by the project. That's how you build the community. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3168
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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Very well said, the story is about community and not the color of your skin....
How's the CCR view such an issue? |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 548
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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Pizzaz-I don't know if CCR will weigh in on this issue. As it stands now John Foggerty tours alone. |
mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 904
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 11:45 am: |
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Elaine Harris: Dr. Rosen "formerly of Harvard now of South Orange."
Wasn't Dr. Rosen a long time member of the BOT in the '70s/'80s when Bert Spiotta was VP? Your inference that he's a newbee is confusing. Or am I missing your point? |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 105
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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Yes, he has been on the BoT for many years, with an interruption for a few years. There was no intended reference to his being "newbee." What is more troubling is the fact that he did not yet answer my question as to why the Joint Sewer Commission needed to hire two "financial advisor" firms. That is the root source of the issue. The other issue was merely to point out that I find it disrespectful for him to wear sweatshirts when he is conducting village business, and quite frankly, it is about time he stopped bragging about Harvard. In the 30 years since I know him there is never any meeting where he doesn't bring it up. Enough already. Can the man from Harvard answer my stupid question? |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 82
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 2:08 pm: |
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Didn't Timothy Leary teach there?
And Henry Kissinger?
jd |
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