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Just The Aunt
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Post Number: 4011
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 2:17 am: | 
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Armored car robbery goes awry
Guard is wounded in gunfight as vehicle rolls through Livingston
Wednesday, February 15, 2006
BY PHIL READ AND MARK MUELLER
Star-Ledger Staff
The steel-sheathed interior of an armored car became a roving shooting gallery yesterday as would-be robbers and a guard exchanged fire in the truck while it careened down a busy street in Livingston, authorities said.
In a scene that could have been ripped from a bloody Quentin Tarantino heist film, one or more men somehow gained access to the armored car as it idled outside a Bank of America branch, then opened fire moments after the vehicle pulled onto South Livingston Avenue, Livingston Police Chief Michael Erb said.
Erb credited a bulletproof vest with saving the life of one guard, who was struck in the chest but not seriously injured. The guard's partner -- the vehicle's driver -- returned fire as the armored car rolled an eighth of a mile down the street, the shots shattering the calm of the suburban community.
"They were shooting at each other. Pow. Pow," said Keith Hines, who watched the incident unfold at a gas station where he works. "My heart was beating like crazy."
Police later arrested three men in South Orange following a high- speed, 20-minute chase aided by a State Police helicopter. Authorities continued to search last night for a possible fourth suspect, though it was not certain that more than three people participated in the robbery.
The confusion arose after the armored car's driver described one suspect as a light-skinned man with reddish hair, Erb said. The suspects in custody are black men, the chief said.
"There might or might not be a fourth suspect," Erb said. "That remains under investigation at this point."
The three men in custody, said to be in their early to mid-30s, were being questioned at South Orange police headquarters last night. Authorities did not release their names. The names of the two guards, employees of Maryland- based Dunbar Armored Car Service, also were withheld.
The guard struck in the chest was treated for minor injuries at Saint Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston.
"Thank God he was wearing a bulletproof vest," Erb said. "Certainly the injury is not life-threatening, but he's going to be sore for a while."
An undetermined amount of cash taken from the truck was recovered, the chief said.
The robbery occurred just before 2:30 p.m., when the two guards returned to the armored car with a cash pickup from the Bank of America branch.
The chief said it remains unclear how one or more of the suspects entered the vehicle.
"That's something we are very interested in finding out," Erb said, adding it appeared that both guards were taken by surprise.
Though the suspect or suspects in back gave no orders, something caught the attention of the guard in the passenger seat as the truck pulled onto South Livingston Avenue, Erb said. When the guard swiveled around, at least one suspect opened fire without a word, the chief said.
The driver returned fire as the vehicle continued to roll down the street. The guard struck in the chest jumped from the moving vehicle and ran into Nero's Restaurant & Cocktail Lounge nearby, telling those inside that he'd been shot and asking them to call police.
"For somebody who got shot, he was pretty good," bartender Michelle Prignano said. "He really had a hold on everything."
The suspects, meanwhile, fled in a trailing Jeep Cherokee through Livingston, Millburn and South Orange as authorities gave chase. After a collision with a vehicle driven by a South Orange detective, the Jeep veered onto an access road for a public works facility, Erb said.
In deep snow left by Saturday's storm, the robbers' luck ran out. The men ran from the Jeep into the surrounding woods as the vehicle became bogged down. Two suspects were captured almost immediately, Erb said. Police found the third suspect about 40 minutes later.
Authorities have yet to determine how much money was in the truck and how much was taken. Police continued to search the area where the men were arrested.
Staff writers Elizabeth Moore and Katie Wang contributed to this report.
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Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 187
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:07 am: |
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If they capture the fourth suspect, no one is allowed to say, "a fifth may still be at large."
J.B |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 1747
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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from the posts on MOL yesterday, I got the impression the chase took far longer than 20 minutes!
are they downplaying that?
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4013
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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I agree with you Pippi! It doesn't make sense! The first call I made from my cellphone about what was happening was at 2:50pm. This was after almost being hit by the SUV and two police cars a couple of blocks from the bendon Ridgewood; going to Jefferson School to pick up a friend's child; going back to my car; driving back the way I came where at Third Street we ran into the Road Block. I thought for sure I left my house about 2:20pm. My sister pointed out though I left, but then came back because - get this, I forgot my cellphone! So let's say that made it 10 minutes later, I would have seen the SUV about 2:30pm.
Something I don't understand. The papers say it was a 5 mile chase. I don't think so! It's as if they believe the SUV came down South Orange Ave into South Orange. They also don't mention Millburn Police was chasing the SUV through Maplewood.
One thing I do know. The Snooze Wrecked won't have the story this week! |
Frank Rizzo
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Username: F_rizzo
Post Number: 1
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 3:09 pm: |
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Just the Aunt maybe you should stay off your cell phone while you are driving and pay more attention to the road. Secondly why call the police and tie up the line during an emergency. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4017
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
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Frank-
Considering this is your first post I'll be nice and not ask if you have a problem reading problem?!
First off, where do I ever say I called the police on my cellphone or at all yesterday? Didn't say anything like that I know of!
While stopped in the traffic, I asked the cop by the Third Steet road block if they caught the SUV guy. Other people were asking him quastions as well. I spoke to the cop standing on the bridge on Montrose and Meadowbrook. Why would I have even had a reason to believe he was there for the SUV situation. I was very shocked when he said he was.
Next, why would I call the police when two police cars were already chasing the SUV? DUH!!!
Last, how to you come to the conclusion I wasn't paying attention to the road? Didn't I say I saw the flahsing lights coming toward me so I PULLED OVER? Perhaps you were the moron who didn't which caused the SUV and the two police cars chasing it to go around the the idiot in front of them into my lane where I was PULLED OVER to the side of the road at a COMPLETE STOP when they almost ran into me.
Some people just make my blood boil. Especially stupid people... |
doulamomma
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Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 1036
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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"suspects, meanwhile, fled in a trailing Jeep Cherokee"
Um, unless there were only 2 involved directly in the gun fight, then the Jeep trailing behind/picking up the armed men had to be driven by someone... wouldn't it be pretty easy to know whether there was a 4th suspect? |
Frank Rizzo
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Username: F_rizzo
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:36 pm: |
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hey fancy face, how do you have the time to write such a long message on a Wednesday afternoon at 3:45pm. Get a job j.e.r.k.y! |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4034
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:39 pm: |
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Dave, he should be b.a.n.n.e.d! |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8654
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| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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banned & blocked
Rizzo can't read MOL or post. That's got to stink. |
Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 576
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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Dave - maybe delete the post as well... |
Meandtheboys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3025
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:08 pm: |
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Dave, that's got to be some kind of record, doesn't it? Banned after only two posts!!
Wow. |
NORA
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Username: Norav
Post Number: 147
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:31 pm: |
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"The first call I made from my cellphone" AUNT .... it does sound like you called from your cell phone or at least thats what you typed |
John Caffrey
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Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 52
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:47 pm: |
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NJN radio says that one of the employees of armored car company was an accomplise in the heist |
John Caffrey
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Username: Jerseyjack
Post Number: 53
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:50 pm: |
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Sorry, better information is on the next thread about the robbery. They even got the perp's name. |
chatterbox
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Username: Chatterbox
Post Number: 22
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:13 pm: |
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Maybe you didn't call the police from your cell phone but you were probably on the phone when you were driving and this is illegal. And driving while talking on your cell phone with a friend's child in the car, very irresponsible. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4019
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:16 pm: |
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Nora-
There are a couple of threads where I posted what happened with me. I guess if people hadn't read the posts in the other threads they might come to that conclusion. But as Pippi posted she had read them. I was responding to her post knowing she read the other posts in the other threads. This is why I responded with the time the first call I made being at 2:50pm.
In the other threads I said I was surprised to find West Orange and Orange Police cars parked on Montrose.
When I was told by the police officer on Meadowbrook they were looking for the bank robbers who were armed and dangerous and if I lived in the area I should lock my doors and say inside I called my sister to warn her to lock the doors as we live in the Montrose area.
My reason for telling Pippi the time my cellphone showed for this call was to show I agree with her the timeline from the paper doesn't seem to be right. How can this chase have taken all of 20 minutes, when it takes at least that much time for me to drive to Jefferson School; go in for my friend's daughter, gather her things, sign her out, get back into the car; then drive back toward South ORange Ave, go through the road blcok mess at Third Street; go down Montrose where we encounted the officer at Meadowbrook; then call my sister?
Sheena, VIT, and Dave. Thanks! But you can leave the post. I kind of crossed the line myself; so if you want to un ban him it wouldn't bother me. Lot's of us post during the day. My schedule is just a little different then most people's. |
redY67
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 4874
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:44 pm: |
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JTA you are too sweet  |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4039
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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JTA, you don't owe anyone an explanation for why and when you post!
And happy belated b-day, v-day baby! |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4020
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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Well Chatterbox, I won't make the same comment to you I did to the other poster about 'I'll be nice,' because this time I won't. So, if Dave wants to ban me, I deserve it. Ever hear of 'hands free' calling? Or maybe I have OnStar? Which I don't; but...
I wasn't moving when I called my sister; I was pulled over to the side of the road between Clark and Meeker, as I was when I called the paper.
When I called Library Lady the first time my friend's child dialed the number for me and asked for LL. When she got on the phone, I pulled over to the side before I spoke to her. The second and third time I called LL from outside the stable. Taking into consideration there were children inside who might not want to hear what I was telling her.
So as far as my being 'Irresponsible,' nope. You must have me mixed up with someone else. ' |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8658
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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chatterbox is the same person as rizzo |
chatterbox
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Username: Chatterbox
Post Number: 23
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:34 pm: |
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I don't think so. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8663
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:47 pm: |
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Same household then. I know your ISP. I know your IP address. I know the main account you post under.
If all you can muster in 23 posts is criticism for someone trying to get the word out about a dangerous situation when the rest of us were in the dark, you need help.
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Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 188
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 12:23 am: |
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Dave, 25 posts if you count the two by "Frank Rizzo."
Is that why you banned "him" so quickly? You knew he had another identity? You're omniscience and omnipotence is awe inspiring and frightening.
J.B. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8665
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 8:42 am: |
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The ban was for the personal attack. Discovering the multiple logins was just me having fun. |
Brett Weir
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Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1233
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:00 am: |
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Ole, El Supremo! |
Lucy
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Username: Lucy
Post Number: 2870
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:09 am: |
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You can post but you can't hide from Super Dave!! |
Ace789nj
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Username: Ace789nj
Post Number: 254
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:28 am: |
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Is it MOL policy to not allow more than one account/screen name from the same ip addy? If not then I think it's wrong dave has made such public. If the guy's being a dick and the moderator deems he should be banned so be it, but why out him? If I choose to post under two names then maybe I would want to express myself in more than one way, maybe I don't want to seem too ambiguous, maybe I want to speak for more than one side without the question of being hypocritical--either way I'd have an expectation of privacy that can now be ruined just because someone has the ability to do so moderate the way you see fit but IMO, outing him was wrong |
susan1014
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Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1359
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:37 am: |
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Um, posting on both sides of the issue under two different names is still hypocritical, even if no one else knows you are doing it. |
Ace789nj
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Username: Ace789nj
Post Number: 255
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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maybe, but to each his own right? Even so, his info should still have been kept private. Like I said it's my opinion but with all the BS drama that goes on in these talk forums (whice BTW is rediculous) I could see someone wanting to make a valid point for more than one side of an argument without having to prove they were doing it genuinely and not just to start •••• up. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8666
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 9:55 am: |
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No real names are being used here, so not sure how someone has been outed.
Saying one poster is also another is just a means of trying to stop personal attacks and giving the appearance that there are multiple little pests online when in fact it's just one big pest. |
Ace789nj
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Username: Ace789nj
Post Number: 256
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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understood |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 159
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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Dave, so do the people who post from my household all look like one person? We use the family computer. (Not a troll among us, promise) |
SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 2996
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:22 am: |
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Interesting... I've got 4 family members who also post... sometimes from their house, sometimes from mine... how does that factor into the equation? |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8668
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
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I never even bother to check unless there's a problem. |
SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 2997
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:45 am: |
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And we would NEVER be a problem!!  |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 160
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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What she said!! |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8672
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 12:58 pm: |
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Just the Aunt gets the last laugh here.
F_Rizzo was telling her to get a job yesterday (see above).
He was apparently posting from his job.
At SO Village Hall.*
Apparently Village Hall went into minor hysteria today when they couldn't access MOL.
*Personal ethical rules prevent me from disclosing more than this. Hey, someone has to have ethics around here. However, I won't prevent speculation. That's free speech. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8673
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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How I found out
Quote: It has come to my attention that our IP address has been blocked from your message board due to “previous abuse.” Any abuse occurring through our network concerns me very much.
We have a strict policy regarding our internet/email usage. I apologize for any abuse that may have come from our users.
Can you please let me know what type of abuse has occurred so that I may attempt to correct it at our end.
I appreciate any information you could send,
Thank you,
Mauricio Garcia
IT Manager
Responsive. Polite. Knowledgeable.
Mauricio deserves a raise.
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kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 1010
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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That is TOO funny!
A real hornet's nest has been stirred.
(I guess it's an example of "You get what you deserve".) |
Lucy
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Username: Lucy
Post Number: 2879
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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Dave you are the BOMB!! |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10706
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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Ah, the silence of the confessional and the message board moderator. It must be a hard, hard burden. How about just a hint or two?
This would be hillarious if it wasn't so sad.
Scoop, somebody down at Village Hall must really dislike you. |
peteglider
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Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1801
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:21 pm: |
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 DAVE!
(Dave, when someone registers -- you get their "real" name, don't you?)
/p |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10708
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| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 1:37 pm: |
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Yes, Dave knows I am really Bobbie Kowalski. So does Sbenois. |
Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 577
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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DAVE! Tisk Tisk Tisk.....  |
Greeneyes
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Username: Greeneyes
Post Number: 744
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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http://www.moviewavs.com/0058493028/WAVS/TV_Shows/Simpsons/doh.wav |
J. O. Schmuck
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Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 317
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 2:45 pm: |
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As I recall, quite a few years back there were significant (sex) telephone charges rung up on village hall's billing account. When confronted as to who could have possibly charged all these dollars, it was decided the janitor did it. I kid you not...... he was summarily terminated and the real twerp ???  |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 870
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 4:58 pm: |
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"*Personal ethical rules prevent me from disclosing more than this. Hey, someone has to have ethics around here. However, I won't prevent speculation. That's free speech."
Dave, since you won't tell us publicly, I will be waiting for the PL from you informing me who it was. That way I can tell it publicly without you being held responsible for it.
This is pretty funny. |
PARROT HEAD
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Username: Island_jack
Post Number: 108
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:22 pm: |
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I got 5 days of vacation taken from me when I posted about a year ago, And I was just joking around. I was just giving some friendly, yet comical, advice on the proper steps that should be taken in the event of a snowstorm. I trust that the same rules apply to village hall employees when they post. Otherwise, I should probably inquire as to how I get my vacation days replenished.
P.S. Does anyone know what the first ammendment is? |
Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 200
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 10:38 pm: |
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I think the first amendment is about doing whatever you want at work.
At least they didn't catch you using spellcheck.
J.B. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4034
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:04 pm: |
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Oh Boy! As much as I am sorry for starting this mess, I have to admit it is funny!!! Considering there are a lot of people who know who I am in real life, some who work in or would have reason to be in Village Hall daily, should I be concerned and start looking over my shoulder?
Dave, I think you should at least PL me telling me who it is so I can take precautions, if need be that is. Then maybe I'll file a police report with the SOPD letting them know of my concerns. Once I make the police report, anyone who knows me in real life is free to visit SOPD for this 'public' information. They can then post the information, if they'd like!!!
BTW I am just KIDDING!!! |
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