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catmanjac
Citizen Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 70 Registered: 2-2004

| Posted on Friday, March 3, 2006 - 4:27 pm: |
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from the guestbook: What's With the Gates?? I lived on Stanley Rd., (#8) until 1973. I recently drove by my old street only to find iron gates across the entrance(similar to those in Mplwd. at the end of Hickory Rd.) Does anyone know why the gates were put up in S. O.? Identical gates block the entrance to Kingman Rd., too. I am from the CHS class of 1970. Thanks so much. By Nancy Voight Kivowitz on March 2nd, 2006 at 11:57pm |
   
LibraryLady(ncjanow)
Supporter Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3072 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Friday, March 3, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
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From South Orange Trustt Board Meetin in 10/01 Conference Agenda
Quote:PUBLIC SAFETY 1. Residents from Hamilton, Stanley and Kingman Road addressed the Board – Alma Anderson of 577 Hamilton Road commented that the temporary barricades have resulted in a "dramatic change" to the neighborhood. She stated that before the temporary barricades were installed, a traffic count taken during one 24 hour time period had shown that 834 vehicles had used Stanley Road and 798 vehicles on Kingman Road. Those figures had now been greatly reduced making the neighborhood more "peaceful" and allowing children to play in the area. She commended the Village officials for acting so quickly in addressing the residents’ concerns. She stated that the overwhelming majority of the homeowners in the area greatly appreciate the pro-active approach the Board has taken with this problem. She then stated that a permanent solution now needs to be found. She advised that the residents had discussed installing gates, however, the residents did not want a "gated" community. She suggested utilizing large concrete planters as permanent barriers. Trustee Theroux wanted the residents in this area to be aware of the fact that when permanent barricades are installed, there will be a definite negative impact upon the response time for emergency vehicles. Ms. Anderson replied that the neighborhood understands that there will be a delay in response time, however, the residents do not feel that it will be that significant. It was agreed that the Board would need to adopt an ordinance to close the affected streets. Said ordinance would then need to be sent to both the County and the State for approval. Village President Calabrese recommended that the Village Engineer and Director of Public Works work with the residents to come up with a plan for the permanent closing of the streets. Village Administrator Gross reminded the Board that any permanent plan would require a capital expenditure. Mr. Gross additionally commented that he would like to wait until the Spring before installing any permanent barricades in order to first go through the winter months to see what unanticipated issues and/or obstacles might arise with snow plowing, maintenance of the streets, etc. It was noted that another topic for discussion was whether or not to erect a traffic light at Hamilton Road and Centre Street. Ken Levin of 623 Hamilton Road commented that he was not in favor of permanent barricades to close down the streets. He suggested that more traffic signs be erected. It was noted that signs are of no assistance as most motorists simply ignore them.
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LibraryLady(ncjanow)
Supporter Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3073 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Friday, March 3, 2006 - 6:42 pm: |
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They then erected permanent gates. |
   
Nohero
Supporter Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5121 Registered: 10-1999

| Posted on Friday, March 3, 2006 - 6:55 pm: |
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Or, in other words, those streets were a short-cut from South Orange Avenue to Centre Street, to avoid the light at the S.O. Ave/Centre intersection. |
   
e roberts
Citizen Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 372 Registered: 3-2004
| Posted on Friday, March 3, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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there was also a large number of property crimes committed in the area including home break ins, motor vehicle theft, headlight theft, bike theft, etc. though all are still present and of course a problem, the number has dropped since the installation of a barrier simply because it is harder to slide in and out of those neighborhoods, making it much less desireable target. |
   
Kibbegirl
Citizen Username: Kibbegirl
Post Number: 395 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Saturday, March 4, 2006 - 9:11 am: |
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I live in the Montorse area and when those hideous gates were erected, it increased traffic onto neighboring side streets rapidly. The speeds of these cars were so high between the hours of 4-6pm, that many neighbors got together and petioned to have a "Slow - Watch Children" sign put in place. Many living in those gated areas stated that their homes were being broken into and the theieves having quick access to S.O. Avenue. I do believe that to be true, but I don't think it has lessened the break-in's. People's homes in that enclave are still being broken into and the culprits are still fleeing onto S.O. Avenue. Unfortunatley, break-in's happen throughout S.O. and barricading ones street isn't going to solve the problem. |
   
Just The Aunt
Supporter Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4188 Registered: 1-2004

| Posted on Saturday, March 4, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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There are also 'gates' on three streets between Wilden and Irvington Ave, at the Wilden end. Those streets are Eder Terr, Seton Place and College. |
   
Jersey Boy
Citizen Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 288 Registered: 1-2006

| Posted on Sunday, March 5, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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The gates clearly aren't working. Let's just rip up the streets and fill them with water, like in Venice.
Of course, we'll have all of the gondolas fitted with xenon headlights. |
   
SoxHater2090
Citizen Username: Soxhater2090
Post Number: 23 Registered: 4-2005

| Posted on Sunday, March 5, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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Can't add the xenon headlights- it would cause a "non-increase" to the crime rate, except for their theft..
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Matt Foley
Citizen Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 566 Registered: 6-2004

| Posted on Sunday, March 5, 2006 - 10:26 pm: |
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Jersey Boy- Finally someone who realizes my "Montrose Moat" vision. I have a feasability study currently in the works. Feel free to PL me for regular updates. |
   
Sauna Queen
Citizen Username: Goodneighbor
Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 - 9:04 pm: |
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catman... As one of the neighbors in the Kingman, Stanley road area, I was very pleased with the installation of the gates. They have dramatically reduced crimes of opportunity in our area and have increased the feeling that this is now a neighborhood. The only change in traffic has been the rerouting of traffic back onto Center street where it belongs. One month prior to the neighborhood requesting the gates, there was a serious accident between a stloen car and a police vehicle. The final point is that Kingman Road has no sidewalks on either side. We have children and elders who prior to the gates could not walk down the street out of fear of being hit. Kibbegirl...I would advise you to check the crime statistic to verify what you believe to be accurate. Police Chief Schele(?) would be happy to provide this.
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jayjay
Citizen Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 447 Registered: 6-2005
| Posted on Tuesday, March 7, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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More police presence...Tony Smith sculpture. Which would you pick? |
   
Lizziecat
Citizen Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1092 Registered: 5-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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Good, Jay. |
   
Just The Aunt
Supporter Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4259 Registered: 1-2004

| Posted on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 - 12:43 am: |
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I'll bite. Which? |
   
Politicalmon
Citizen Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 103 Registered: 9-2005

| Posted on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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Catmanjac; I was involved in the process to have the gates installed. I attended all the meetings at Village Hall and had attended the smaller meetings with Village Officials in discussing the options. Initially, the Village was opposed to the gates since they felt it would impinge on the ability of the SOFD from accessing those streets in a timely fashion. The numbers concerning the amount of traffic cutting through the neighborhood was actually greater since this only measured traffic on one side of the street. I had discussed the concept of the gates for close to a year before the letter was sent to village hall after the stolen car incident. The timing of the car accident and letter concerning the traffic safety concerns were purely coincidental. Our village officials recommended changing the traffic patterns by changing the roads (Stanley & Kingman) to one way routes. This would have never worked since the roads were used primarily as a cut through to avoid the light on Center & SO Avenue. The neighborhood as a whole had supported our proposal - I only remember 2 people who were opposed to the plan. This was a no brainier for the BOT since it returned traffic back to Center Street where it had originated. The experience dealing with our village officials was mostly positive thought I have to admit that Gross did attempt to roadblock us at times. He has still never delivered on promise to resolve the concerns about the blinking traffic light on Center Street. Our children are taking their lives in there hands when trying to cross Hamilton over to Montrose. Gross argued that Center Street was a county road and the village had no jurisdiction he had to be enlightened that it was property of South Orange? The light is still a major problem which can be attested by the number of car accidents that have occurred there over the years.
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catmanjac
Citizen Username: Catmanjac
Post Number: 81 Registered: 2-2004

| Posted on Wednesday, March 8, 2006 - 3:58 pm: |
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Thank you for the explanation. But I started this thread as a courtesy for Nancy Voight Kivowitz, who had raised the question in the "guestbook." I emailed her to view this in this forum, and I hope she has followed it, especially your detailed explanation. |