| Author | Message | ||
     Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 280 Registered: 4-2004 |
I like how they built the equipment entrance right behind a gas lamp ... doesn't look like construction will be happening anytime soon. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2581 Registered: 4-2002 |
Spitz: Thanks for remembering that. I was wondering myself why the walkway was built if nobody could use it. They are scheduled to go before the planning board on March 6th to submit their changes to the plans. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 90 Registered: 1-2006 |
Has a condemnation proceeding commenced? Without a fire under their posteriors, we are helpless. Well, not helpless, because our local government is on our side. jd | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2377 Registered: 5-2004  |
oh *whose* side? | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 93 Registered: 1-2006 |
Trust me, on our side. jd | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2379 Registered: 5-2004 |
You think the full BoT, Bill C and John Gross are truly on "our" side? I wonder which side is "ours", then. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3394 Registered: 5-2001  |
Rastro, I guess you have never seen a BOT Meeting when Joel is speaking. I can only assume he is being sarcastic in his comments above. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2380 Registered: 5-2004 |
Gotcha... | ||
| JoRo Citizen Username: Autojoe51 Post Number: 67 Registered: 10-2005 |
By the way, I did a Google search on Grunings yesterday because I keep hearing about how great it was and I wanted to see if there were photos. One of the links was a 2001 message board thread about the slow pace of development, and someone named Mayhewdrive was taking heat for his views. Back then we were talking about ShopRite, Beifus and the lack of new business. Oh no... | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 2383 Registered: 5-2004 |
JoRo - look up three posts to the username of MHD... | ||
| JoRo Citizen Username: Autojoe51 Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2005 |
rastro, i thought so. nothing like living in a deja vu. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3395 Registered: 5-2001 |
JoRo, Yeah, "that guy" was quite the visionary, huh?  It is really sad what little progress has been made in 5 years! Although if you look at the thread that I think JoRo is referring to: http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/discus.cgi?pg=next&topic=129&page=2556 you will see that SODA still had his head in the sand & you will also see some other current MOL posters with their old screennames. | ||
| JoRo Citizen Username: Autojoe51 Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2005 |
I am speechless.  | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3429 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think it's worth reminding everyone that Beifus will be going before the Planning Board on Monday (March 6) for his THIRD presentation of a revised plan. Supposedly, the plan just eliminates the basement due to the water problems on the site. However, my understanding is that a new Planning Board approval allows the "2 year clock" to restart from the beginning before construction must begin. I think everyone in the community should come to the Meeting and tell the Planning Board: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Reject the plan and find someone who can actually get something done. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 121 Registered: 1-2006 |
Condemnation now. jd | ||
| JoRo Citizen Username: Autojoe51 Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2005 |
I think this has been addressed previously on the boards, but are PILOTS paid while the this type of work is in progress, or only after the doors open on such developments? Apologies for the green line of questioning. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 126 Registered: 1-2006 |
Will the planning board limit the time to completion, with penalty clauses? Will they require production of contracts, performance bonds, personal guaranty from Andy Beifus for penalty payment, as conditions precedent to agreeing to stab us in the gut for another few years? JD | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4173 Registered: 1-2004  |
Parking- The 'PA' after a name means Pretty Awful. | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1481 Registered: 3-2003 |
If the Planning Board doesn't specifically state that the amendment is just that, and does not constitute a new plan for purposes of the two year period, they haven't done their job. The lawyer from Beifus stated that the elimination of the basement probably didn't even require Planning Board approval, but he was going before the Planning Board as a matter of courtesy. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 127 Registered: 1-2006 |
No. He will appear for a two year extension, and we will be watching and wondering who on the board will say a peep in opposition. jd | ||
| Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 300 Registered: 4-2004 |
Where does the planning board meet? What time on Monday? Also, I posted awhile back an article on Asbury Park where its Board enforced strict deadlines and penalties on the developer handling the redevelopment of their town. If our Board cannot enforce a timeline or penalties for missing deadlines then condemn the project now by use of eminent domain. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3444 Registered: 5-2001 |
Josh, The Planning Board will meet this coming MONDAY (March 6) at 7:30pm upstairs in Village Hall. I think everyone in the community should come to the Meeting and tell the Planning Board: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Reject the plan and find someone who can actually get something done. | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3240 Registered: 11-2001  |
Unfortunately, if the town protects itself with your (JH's) recommended and fair minded enforcements, the town will open itself up to a mega lawsuit as it pertains to its handling of Sayid Plaza and the publicly expressed conflict of interest by the Village President. It's amazing that he continues to sit on the planning board as well. | ||
| Sitoyan Citizen Username: Sitoyan Post Number: 150 Registered: 7-2004 |
Reject the plan and find someone who can actually get something done? ... and start another cycle of condemning the pproperty, searching for a developer, negotiate a developers agreement with him, who would hire an architect, who would prepare drawings, which will have to be approved by state, county, and local authorities, which will go out for bids, and a contractor will be selected, who will bring us to the point where we are today, and perhaps, perhaps ? accelerate the process from that point on, that point being 5 years from now. Very wise Mayhewdrive.  | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3445 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sit, Wasn't Beifus already "stripped of his developer status"? What ever happened to that? Who's to say another developer couldn't come in tomorrow and simply build the plans that have already been approved? Beifus had an empty building on that lot from at least 1998-2003. The lot has remained empty since 2003. You REALLY think he will EVER get anything done??? | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 133 Registered: 1-2006 |
Condemn it and make it an extension of the park. Trees, things like that. jd | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3245 Registered: 11-2001 |
Not likely. How about parking for SOPAC? | ||
| Jim Murphy Citizen Username: Jimmurphy Post Number: 258 Registered: 5-2001 |
Consolidate Beifus with the tennis courts and build a big new market with ample parking, as was proposed long ago. Put tennis courts on the roof to get around Green Acres, with access from the park. Use the "New Market" site for something else. | ||
| Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 301 Registered: 4-2004 |
Does anybody really believe Beifus will build this project eventually? You can give hime 20 more years and it will not get done. Stop the bleeding now. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3463 Registered: 5-2001 |
Josh, You are absolutely right. I hope you (and everyone else) will come to the Planning Board Meeting TONIGHT and voice your concerns about this never-ending project. | ||
| SOrising Citizen Username: Sorising Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2006 |
Pizzaz, would you please explain your claims from March 3rd at 9:24 AM? (I may not be the only one who does not know what you mean.) Thanks | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3474 Registered: 5-2001 |
Tune in to the Meeting. Residents are asking some good questions of the architect right now. So far, I have heard that the basement will be eliminated, along with Storage Space for the Retail shops and a gym for the residents...but they are classifying the space as "highly desirable". | ||
| peteglider Citizen Username: Peteglider Post Number: 1834 Registered: 8-2002 |
who is the guy in the striped shirt -- honestly, he should hear himself talking, and its mostly nonsense. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3475 Registered: 5-2001 |
Now, we are being told that an "odor" was discovered while excavating, so the solution is to put a slab over it without identifying or fixing the source of the "odor". Doesn't sound like "highly desirable" space to me. BTW - who is Daniel Skrobe - he seems to be the only member of the Planning Board that is awake and asking valid questions. Let's see if he votes against this fiasco..... | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4233 Registered: 1-2004 |
Can someone post the link to watch online? We have Direct TV, so we don't get the town stations... | ||
| peteglider Citizen Username: Peteglider Post Number: 1835 Registered: 8-2002 |
Skrobe -- intelligent questions, intelligent vote "no". So -- 60 days says the lawyer until construction -- assuming the county now approves the plan, and they can find a builder with *very* narrow trucks to get into the entrance past the gas lamp. ..more of the same... | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2628 Registered: 4-2002 |
Pete: Funny, I asked at the last BOT meeting about the gaslamp and why would they build the truck entrance there. Ten feet to the left and they would have avoided it plus had a curb cut already - or to the right where there is an extra lane. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3477 Registered: 5-2001 |
Pete, I agree. Bravo to Mr. Skrobe for voting "no". I also found the statement by Amabile interesting that "if any member of my Board had a Conflict they would step down". When it came time to vote Calabrese ABSTAINED for "Personal Reasons". Could it be his "business deal" with Sayid across the street from Beifus presents a conflict of interest with the Beifus site, as well? If so, doesn't he also have a conflict with SOPAC? I think we need to understand what his "personal reasons" for abstaining are. | ||
| Josh Holtz Citizen Username: Jholtz Post Number: 308 Registered: 4-2004 |
Can someone please explain something to me - how is it that BC can abstain from voting on the removal of the basement for the Beifus project yet earlier, when the project's architect was speaking, BC tried to offer solutions to satisfy both Beifus and the Planning Board? BC came up with the idea to limit the number of retailers to offer more storage space on the 1st floor. How is this not a conflict of interest? | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3479 Registered: 5-2001 |
Josh, Excellent point. Sounds like perfect grounds for a lawsuit. |
