| Author | Message | ||
     Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3272 Registered: 11-2001  |
 If you couldn't find humor, one would go nuts!!! | ||
| michael brant Citizen Username: Mbrant Post Number: 125 Registered: 10-2005 |
$330,000.00 to get this set up? I am blown away by this number. How our money is waisted. sick. mr. Pizzaz how many pizzas do you need to sell to make $330,000.00 I am going to guess 100,000? This is a sick number that is being thrown around like it is nothing. I have no isue with the sculpture I am in favor of having it but this number to set it up is outrageous. $55,000.00 for soil? We are spending $55,000.00 on dirt? Why not ask mr.Pulte to give us the dirt for free I am sure he would love to give something to the town. He must have many construction sites currently under opperation. Has anyone even asked him? $55,000.00 for dirt! | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3487 Registered: 5-2001  |
Yeah, obviously EDUCATION, POLICE, ROADS, LIBRARIES or FIRE EQUIPMENT is not something anyone really needs.  Alley - this statue will cost EVERY TAXPAYER approximately $100 ($500,000 / 5000 households) You want this thing so bad, make a SIGNIFICANT contribution towards it. Go ahead and put it on your credit card. You don't have to be wealthy or able to afford it. That's exactly what SOUTH ORANGE is doing. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 303 Registered: 7-2005  |
Alley...well I'm sorry for posting my opinion on this message board...next time I'll remember that because my opinion is "not the only opinion" I shouldn't post it...hmmm um...not I said the town doesn't NEED this...that's a FACT...the town does not need a sculpture to function and be healthy...what it NEEDS is management and some common sense. | ||
| John Glick Citizen Username: Jgg Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2005 |
MHD: I think the Village would be well served if you were to run in the next BOT election as you appear to be very well informed and have opinions on almost every issue that people complain about on the message board. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4248 Registered: 1-2004  |
Alley Are you willing to donate the same about each taxpayer in South Orange will have to 'donate?' Bets - When I get back from the doctor I re google and post the links for you. I didn't realize there were two Tony Smiths. But if there are, both lived in South Orange for a time. | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 1397 Registered: 3-2002 |
Alley, until you've ponied up your $44 per household (plus cost of repaying bond ideally, so lets call it $80), why don't you quit telling us that we should do the same. Either that or go play politics in your own town. I don't lean in with opinions on Maplewood government, and am tired of you putting down our debates on South Orange government. You like the sculpture, vote with your wallet, then come over and give business to our coffeehouses, gallaries and restaurants because it is here. But don't call the people frustrated with our BOT "whiny bitches" or we may have to ask Dave to give you a vacation! As I've said elsewhere, I'm not necessarily opposed to the sculpture, but do feel that the BOT has mismanaged its acquisition rather badly. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4249 Registered: 1-2004 |
Here is a link to back up my post about Tony Smith moving to South Orange in 1955. It also states he moved across the country in 1974. That's 19 (I said 20) years in town. http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/2003/kikismith/pdf/chronology.pdf I'll have to look for the other two later as I really am late. FWIW It's not that I don't appreciate art, I do. And I'm not 'ignorant' as Alley says for not knowing who Tony Smith is/was. I even asked a friend of mine who as an art major in college, and she didn't even know. It's more the fact there are so many unfinished projects going on in town right costing the tax payers a lot of money. Before taking on yet another project, we should finish what's already been started. Even more frustrating, for something that is supposed to be a 'gift' it certainly is costing the town a lot of money. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 22805 Registered: 6-2001  |
That's a bio of Kiki Smith, Tony's daughter. If you read what the text actually says, you'd see
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| composerjohn Citizen Username: Composerjohn Post Number: 736 Registered: 8-2004  |
FYI: the Montclair Art Museum has a Tony Smith sculpture. Go check it out. http://www.montclairartmuseum.org/SearchCollections_details.cfm?id=116 | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8828 Registered: 4-1997  |
(Tony Smith was born here) | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 1398 Registered: 3-2002 |
Not only was he born here -- he also chose to come back an spend a good chunk of his adult life back in town. Raised here AND worked here during his adult career. You can't say that for many other of our famous artists/performers. I think he counts as a South Orange artist, even to those who don't want his work here. | ||
| Eric DeVaris Citizen Username: Eric_devaris Post Number: 302 Registered: 2-2003  |
Since more than six months I have participated in most of the discussions on MOL regarding the Tony Smith Project. I have responded - quite extensively I might say - to questions asked by fellow MOLers. I have given out all the information I have on the project. I explained my personal involvement on the project to dissipate any conflict of interest questions. I have taken full responsibility of my actions as a private individual and as a Village Trustee regarding the project. Everyone knows where I stand on all issues surrounding the Tony Smith Sculpture Project. I never expected that every MOLer would agree with my stand on the issue, so I welcomed the disagreement and intelligent discourse we’ve had on this board so far. But to continue arguing this issue would be as if I try to convince you that I am right, and as if I want you to change your mind. Far from that. I respect everyone’s opinion and enjoyed our exchange. However, there are other more pressing issues in the Village that I have to devote my time and energy on. I am signing off on the Tony Smith sculpture issue on MOL. I enjoyed every bit of it. | ||
| peteglider Citizen Username: Peteglider Post Number: 1845 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks Eric -- please get to the PLAN and VISION! Pete | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 307 Registered: 7-2005 |
Well then why doesn't the South Orange Artist's fans pay for it...because frankly...I have no Idea who this guy is...but I know roads that need to be repaved | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1244 Registered: 10-2004 |
Let me get this straight? I should pay my Maplewood taxes and a portion of your S.O. Taxes? I don't think so.  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 308 Registered: 7-2005 |
I meant donations...and if you live in maplewood...what is it to you? | ||
| Hillsider Supporter Username: Hillsider Post Number: 55 Registered: 3-2004 |
I am a little out of touch... but what is the total Town budget?? and what % of that is the sculpture? If $500K is a portion of $500 million (for e.g), it is insignificant and we should all be happy to have nice art in our town... if it is 10% of the town outlay then we revolt and do destructive stuff... Absolute numbers don't always tell the full story... | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1091 Registered: 5-2003 |
Bets, Sorry, but I repeat, "Who cares?" Really, who cares about Kiki or whatever her name is and twin daughters? The point that all of us are trying to make is that we cannot afford to spend the money for this statue when there are so many other unfinished projects in our town. It doesn't matter if the statue is "cool." Maybe it really is cool. We still can't afford it. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 309 Registered: 7-2005 |
exactly..roads need to be paved...lights need to be fixed...and people are worried about a statue | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 1401 Registered: 3-2002 |
No AlleyGator, you should help fund some of the substantial portion of the cost that is supposed to be paid by private donations, since you feel so strongly that this should be done. If I start going on at length about what art Maplewood should be purchasing with your tax dollars, I promise to make a contribution there. | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1249 Registered: 10-2004 |
Ummmm...for the record, Kiki Smith is a WORLD CALIBRE feminist artist and I TOTALLY CARE about her. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 310 Registered: 7-2005 |
Never heard of her...either... | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1251 Registered: 10-2004 |
Glock, do you know about this thing called Google? Even better when we are talking about something so visual as fine art, you can use images.google.com | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 153 Registered: 1-2006 |
Glock and I are generations apart in more than one way, but, in another, we are one (that is poetic, for you all), neither he or I ever heard of this Smith or that Smith. If you need Google, you aren't talking about a well known artist. If you get down off your thrown, and can find you way home, please consider the dripping arrogance in your remark about "so fine as visual art" and pipe down. jd, the Phillistine | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1253 Registered: 10-2004 |
I said, "so visual as fine art". Which means that google images is a good tool for seeing what you are searching for. Learn to read before you attack. And I'm sorry but just because you don't know an artist does NOT mean they aren't well known, it means that you don't know •••• about art. Educate yourself. Both Smiths are WORLD CALIBRE. Do you think that having shows in the Museum of Modern Art (among many other world class museums) is famous? Can you even name a modern artist let alone a contemporary one? Do you even understand the distinction between the two? | ||
| jayjay Citizen Username: Jayjayp Post Number: 444 Registered: 6-2005 |
Alleygator- To what does your sense of fine art extend? To historic buildings (like Baird or Village hall), to well designed parks, to architectural novelty buildings like the former Vose Ave building, and so on. Are you as vocal about these and their current state? (Of course, its too late for Vose.) Or is it just Tony Smith sculptures that push your button, and about which you feel free to attack those of us who would rather see our dollars spent elsewhere? | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 312 Registered: 7-2005 |
Alley Gater... Modern: Keith Harring (Well that's modern for me) Contemporary: Monet (one of my favorites) I'm sorry that I'm not an art history major...I guess I'll never be able to "Educate myself" without knowing every artist to walk the face of the earth | ||
| composerjohn Citizen Username: Composerjohn Post Number: 737 Registered: 8-2004 |
Monet died in 1926. He is amazing, but he's not a contemporary artist. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 313 Registered: 7-2005 |
Yeah...well ...haha | ||
| Pdg Citizen Username: Pdg Post Number: 604 Registered: 5-2004  |
AlleyGater - I think you are trying to say world "caliber". Many times you have used "calibre". Educate your own self and please stop being so viciously nasty to my fellow S.Orange residents. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4253 Registered: 1-2004 |
Bets- Reading this the way it's written I came to the conclusion Tony was a child when he moved here. After the family moved here his youngser sisters were born. Family moves to South Orange, New Jersey, to the house in which Tony Smith grew up. Smith’s younger twin sisters, Seton and Beatrice (Bebe), are born. | ||
| AlleyGater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1254 Registered: 10-2004 |
I'm uneducated because I spelled caliber as calibre? I am a ABOVE AVERAGE speller, I don't know what you are on about. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4254 Registered: 1-2004 |
jayjay And don't forget our beloved firehouse that!!! What it comes down to is all the unfinished halfashed projects currently going on in town. Let's get those finished first. Then, maybe then, the town can consider the acceptance of this 'gift.' Why wasn't this put to a vote by the residents? Perhaps because it would be voted down? I could think of plenty of other things this town needs and could use. | ||
| Pdg Citizen Username: Pdg Post Number: 605 Registered: 5-2004 |
Tony Smiths daughter, Kiki, was born in Nuremberg Germany. I'd wager that he wasn't living here then - anyone know how long they lived abroad? Can't find it by googling - no one has cared enough about this guy to write a biography yet, that I can find... | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1490 Registered: 3-2003 |
"an above average" and not "a above average" | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 156 Registered: 1-2006 |
The vehement ad hominem attack says it all. Trust her/him/gaterperson. jd | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2643 Registered: 4-2002 |
PDG: Here is a link to a book devoted to Tony Smith: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0870700715/sr=8-2/qid=1141785989/ref=pd_bbs_2/0 02-2442681-9326465?%5Fencoding=UTF8 | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 22806 Registered: 6-2001 |
JTA, Tony Smith was born in 1912 in the house on Stanley Road. His family built the house he was born in. If you go to the link you posted above, you would naturally go to the top level, (http://www.moma.org/exhibitions/2003/kikismith/) and see that it says KIKISMITH. If you actually READ the first line in the chronology, you would see it says "her involvement with printmaking and editions...". Please don't be so hasty to post misinformation. To say that the Smiths lived here for a short while is an insult to a family that traces its roots back for several generations in South Orange. If you need proof, here's a link for you: http://www.askart.com/AskART/artists/biography.aspx?searchtype=BIO&artist=30638. It gives his birth date and location. They were still there when my family left Stanley Road in 1972. PDG, Tony's wife was an opera singer pursuing her own career at that time in Europe. When in the US, they lived on Stanley Road in South Orange. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 2645 Registered: 4-2002 |
She did not offer this to the village as a gift. |
