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Lewisinsov
Citizen
Username: Lewisinsov
Post Number: 7
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:33 pm: | 
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I get the "vibe" that most people would like to have the statue, even if they are unhappy with the lies and the irresponsible way in which it is being funded and implemented.
Let's face it, the statue will happen whether we like it or not. People have made that much clear.
It seems that the BoT, etc. have only come up with borrowing more money, misapplying CDBG grants or raising taxes as the only means for funding the statue.
Therefore, we need to be more creative in finding other ways to raise funds. I'll just throw the following out as ideas to get the conversation started:
- Corporate sponsorship: I'm not suggesting that we paint a Coke sign on the Tau, but perhaps the statue could be "sponsored" by a major corporation as its gift to the city.
- Funds for public art: There are plenty of funds that might be willing to donate to this project. The following list might be a good start: http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/statistics/pdf/04_fund_sub/2003/50_found _sub/f_sub_a_03.pdf
- Fundraising events: we could host an art-focused festival, for example, the proceeds of which would fund the sculpture. I'm sure that we could convince galleries / museums to loan some artwork for the purpose.
That will do for a start. Any thoughts? |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 347
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
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That thing is gonna' be tagged the second it's put in place. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4344
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 1:30 pm: |
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Lewisinso
If this
>>> "misapplying CDBG grants or raising taxes as the only means for funding the statue." <<<
turns out to be true; Some of the BOT will have even biggir problems to deal with.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3557
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 1:35 pm: |
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/visualart/225623_tl125.html?source=rss
"Stinger," a 32-foot steel square with one side partially removed, was donated by the artist's family; Microsoft has contributed a grant for its care and installation.
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Agrackle
Citizen
Username: Agrackle
Post Number: 26
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 1:59 pm: |
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Perhaps Mr. Beifus would like to contribute a grant for Tau's care and installation. |
SO1969
Citizen
Username: Bklyn1969
Post Number: 236
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 2:47 pm: |
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It almost comes full circle...back to the lack of corporate/rateable presence in the Village - no Microsoft or other S&P 500 co. in S. Orange, thus requiring us to be all the more prudent with our tax dollars. We're not the kind of place that gets to have world class art sponsored by a local corporate titan.
If people want it, they should open their own wallets. For the 200 people that really want it, it is just $2,500 each. I donate that much to things I really care about.
The fact that we're piling $250K to 500K in debt for art on top of $3,000 per household in expenditures (doesn't include interest) for a Performing Arts Center is absurd.
We're being featured in a tv documentary not because we're visionary, but because we're a freak show - "Town of 16,000 With Drinking Water Supply Problem and Tattered Library Opts for $15mm Performing Arts Center and $500K Sculpture Instead of Fixing the Basics."
(Mark Rosner, don't tell me how much DS is on an annual basis. 1st, I don't do my personal financial planning based on what I can purchase on installment plans and I don't think the Village should either, 2nd $15mm today is $15mm today on a PV basis. I don't object to prudent borrowing for capital investments in infrastructure that provide essential services; this art spending - in SO's case - is consumption, I see no future return on these "investments," only drag on municipal budgets for 30 years to come for DS and o&m ad infinitum) |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 484
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 9:37 pm: |
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This was the list of costs previously listed in a another Tony Smith thread:
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Below is the "project estimate costs" that the BOT had. The final costs might be different. For instance, the actual fabrication is $85,000 although the projection showed $90,000.
Fabrication: $90,000
Delivery and Installation: $20,000
Site improvements:
Demo/Site clearing $40,000
Brick Paving $65,000
Structural Soil $55,000
Furniture,
landscaping and irrigation $60,000
Lighting $35,000
Site Design and
construction admin. $75,000
Total Cost: $440,000
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I don't know if they are accurate or not, but it occurred to me that "demo/site clearing" is pegged at $40,000. From what I know of construction projects, demolition is one thing. If you want to preserve elements at the site (i.e. the gazebo for installation elsewhere which has been discussed), I would guess this line item would go way up. Then its not about bulldozing, but taking time and skill to dis-assemble, move, and store. I'd bet the gazebo is history!
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Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 336
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 8:16 am: |
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Many of the costs listed above are unreasonably high. Brick paving = 65K? Are they looking to brick all of Sloan Street? And what kind of landscaping can they do when they have already laid 65k of brick over the site? |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 485
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 8:36 am: |
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Also, there are some nice trees which have grown and matured around the gazebo. I hope they don't rip them out for the sake of this monolithic sculpture. I still think its the wrong site. If they put it in a park, I would have to believe their would less construction costs for the site. Has anyone seen any architectural drawings for how the area out front of the station is supposed to look with this sculpture? |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4363
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 8:52 am: |
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jayjay
Not to break your heart, but chances are the trees will be removed. Has anyone thought of calling someone from one of the Environmental Groups. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 351
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:05 am: |
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What we need is a freakin' golem to protect the gazebo... |
campbell29
Citizen
Username: Campbell29
Post Number: 378
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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Let's put Beifus in charge of renovating the site for the sculpture. Then we don't have to worry about it ever being ready. We can store the sculpture in the Gourmet Market building and forget about it for a decade or two. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 490
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 7:42 pm: |
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In today's New York times there was an article about a gift which was given to the Whitney Museum. Here is the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/arts/design/17voge.html
You'll have to scroll towards the end of the article. As I read this, I wondered why the South Orange art gift couldn't have been of this variety. It wouldn't have cost us anything. We could have put it in the library. And the subject would have been quite apt. |
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