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Tommy O'Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13041
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 4:56 pm: | 
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Oh, I missed that word. Sorry. So yes, if most of the town were asked -- and that's highly unlikely -- then those posting here would have at least one polled. And how many children are in the town? I assume she would not have polled them.
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2628
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 4:57 pm: |
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In re-watching the video, it sounds like she is saying they met with a bunch of groups, and they canvased residents that have been very active int he community.
Unanimously met with support at meetings.
She sseems to be merging the polling and the meetings.
Perhaps what was done is the people at the meeting live on the streets and in the neighborhoods mentioned were polled, and THEY provided unanimous support.
It seems unclear that they actually went door to door taking a poll. |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 110
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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Yes, Rastro, no way to avoid concluding that Ms. Arnedt hyped whatever "representative conversations" she had about it. Sampling, statistics, methodology in general, in whatever she did are unlikely to comport with anything objective or mathematically valid for claims she made. |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonhw
Post Number: 104
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 5:55 pm: |
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She must have the list of MOL'ers and knew not to poll them.
No poll here (Harding). |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1527
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:12 pm: |
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SOrising has it right. Ms. Arnedt most likely had friends who were also interested in the sulpture invite other people who they knew to various coffees. It's that simple. To a large extent, many of these people were also the same people who orchestrated the letter campaign in the News Record. She had the list and contacted them asking them to send letters to the News Record and no doubt to contact the members of the BOT.
Eric - You've said that you've talked to numerous residents who are in favor of the sculpture. Did you attend any of these coffees?
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Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1113
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:18 pm: |
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Well, I sure wasn't invited to any coffee. Maybe those of us who are opposed to this thing should have coffees where we present the reasons why it should not be built. |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1528
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:52 pm: |
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Would the response have been the same in these groups if they were asked this question: The Village can bond for $250,000 which can be used on either repairing the library or acquiring the Tony Smith Sculpture. Which do you prefer? |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 489
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:54 pm: |
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Also, listen to the BOT meeting tape. Ms. Arnedt said of the letters written to the News Record, that "many were even unsolicited". I take that to mean that many of the letters (which members of the BOT's relied on as their evidence of citizen support) in fact WERE SOLICITED. So much for objectivity. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1416
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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No poll, no focus group, no informal conversation with anyone in our house either. |
Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 657
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 9:37 pm: |
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No poll on Thornden St., but I'm not sure if our street "counts" since it isn't in a specially named section like Montrose, Newstead etc. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2631
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Jayjay, I caught that too. But I do have to say, SODA and MHD (and Eric, in his comments on Monday) are right. For all the bluster of opposition we see here on MOL, very few people actually show up to speak about their opposition. We all have our excuses, but the reality is, if they had to go by sentiment that they see at meetings and in letters to the editor, and in (even unscientific) polls, more people are in favor of this than oppose it.
Granted, the constant references to Maplewood online are usually said right before I imagine the BOT emmbers spitting (as in, "Maplewood Online <pphhtt>. I spit on you") The distain that some trsutees feel toward the MOL comunittee is palpable. But posting here will not get anything done. It's a mutual admiration society of anti-administration anonyms (is that a word?).
At this point, I think it's a done deal. It would be very tough to quash the construction. But letters to the editor and other methods of speaking out can at least alert the rest of the town to the fact that there is opposition to the free spending of the administration. And that there will be real alternatives in the next election.
So, I'm drafting my letter to the editor. Anyone else? |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4373
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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Peter
I'm pretty sure someone asked her how this so called poll was 'scientific.' (I watched this at some ungodly hour so I could be mistaken). It was pretty funny (sad) when she made reference to working for CBS. MG responded something to the effect 'So, what? I do too!'
SOrising-
I think you might be right about the 'focus group' theory. I don't understand why it is so difficult for the BOT to take an official poll of the residents of the town. Let the residents know about the 'mistakes' made with the information originally given out.
Instead of being so smug in their believe the town wants this thing, with all the strings attached, let us vote on it. Forget this 2000 signatures to even consider a possible vote on the subject.
As MG pointed out (at least I think it was him) were 2000 signatures presented in favor of the statue? Were those polled about the statue given full HONEST disclosure? Doubtful. We can't even find anyone on MOL who was polled.
I'd love to see what was asked during this poll? I'm going to email her and ask to see a copy of this poll. Would I be entitled under the Freedom of Information Act to request this? How come the BOT hasn't asked to see what questions were asked in this poll? Don't they care? (No need to respond).
joel-
I didn't get the impression a third party conducted this poll. I got the impress Ms A and her group did.
Spitz-
In response to your question "The Village can bond for $250,000 which can be used on either repairing the library or acquiring the Tony Smith Sculpture. Which do you prefer?"
My response would be THE LIBRARY!!!
Rastro
While I agree with your assessment of those of us who post on MOL but don't go to the BOT meetings to speak out, I know at least for me I could never stay as calm as DG, or the other gentleman (was that really SODA)? Once the BOT members started to yell at me, I'd yell right back.
However, I am (much to the dismay of my mom and sister) writing a letter to be sent to the Snooze Wreckered and Ledger by Sunday night.
Even if this is a 'done deal' and there is nothing we can do to undo the damage; at least more of the community will know what's going on and hopefully will vote differently in the next election. |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1529
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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Maybe the BOT members (who all read MOL) should take a look in the "Mostly Maplewood" section. It's not just the SO posters.
But you are right, Rastro. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4377
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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I caught that subject in the Maplewood Tpoic Spitz! I think I'll start a thread here to make people aware of it. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2634
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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JTA, I did not mean that the person that spoke was SODA. I meant that he (SODA) has castigated the anti-administration crowd here (myself included) for inaction beyond putting finger to keyboard online. All the energy we spend posting here could just as easily be spent writing letters to the editor of the various local newspapers (though it would require a bit more eloquence from many of us).
By the way, I believe it was John P (I didn't catch his past name) who said that he, too, had worked at CBS. However what should have been said is that even if she is a polster, that does not mean the poll was scientifically performed. If anything, a polster knows just how to run a poll to get the desired result. Without having to provide methodology, it would be easy. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4385
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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Thanks for clearing up my confusion about SODA and the gentleman who made the comment about CBS. Sometimes I confuse easily, especially at 3am . |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3624
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
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Correctamundo, Rastro,
Decisions are made by those who show up. If all you wanna do is yammer here on MOL, fine. Just don't mistake this little online community for more than it is (no disrespect intended, Dave). The place to make yourself heard and your opinions or outrage felt are OUT THERE, IN THE WORLD. If you're only outlet is here, you're not really in the game.
So, yeah: Write that letter. Attend that meeting.
Ask those questions in front of real live people. Who knows? Maybe you'll be drafted for the BOT. Maybe not. But you will have shown up.
Or you can stay where you are, and remain ghosts.
-s.
BTW, JTA: You seem to be confused at all hours of the day. Just an observation... |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2635
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 11:56 pm: |
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It's not a question of joining the BoT (or being drafted). It's a matter of changing the way things are done.
Soda, are you happy with the way things are handled in this town? Are you doing anything to change them? |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 3578
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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You might wonder, What can YOU do about this continued fiscal irresponsibility and lying to the public?
Here are some suggestions:
Write a Letter to the Editor of the Star Ledger:
Please e-mail to: eletters@starledger.com (letters to the editor) oped@starledger.com (op-ed articles).
Submissions may be mailed to: Editorial Department, The Star-Ledger, 1 Star-Ledger Plaza, Newark, NJ, 07102-1200.
Letters must not exceed 200 words. Op-ed articles must not exceed 800 words. All submissions must include the writer's name, address and phone number.
Write a Letter to the Editor of the News Record: editorial@thelocalsource.com
Must be submitted by 9am on Monday for printing in Thursday's edition and must include your real name and phone number
Write a Letter to the Board of Trustees:
ajosrosen@aol.com
arthur@mec.cuny.edu
mrosnernyc@yahoo.com
stacey.jennings@hp.com
nishesq@optonline.net
WCfuzzy@aol.com
edevaris@southorange.org
Attend the next BOT Meeting and SPEAK UP
Print and Distribute Copies of the Star Ledger Article
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/essex/index.ssf?/base/news-1/114240237272090.xml&c oll=1
Venting on MOL has NO impact. If you are tired of this behavior, DO SOMETHING |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4390
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 2:44 am: |
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Geezh thanks SODA. And I thought only the nephews told me that.
Must be the brain damage... |
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