| Author | Message | ||
     MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3657 Registered: 5-2001  |
http://www.petitiononline.com/SOtaxes/petition.html Great idea, Monster. Let's see what kind of response this gets. Feel free to email the link above to everyone you know. | ||
| composerjohn Citizen Username: Composerjohn Post Number: 778 Registered: 8-2004  |
Is art education really being ELIMINATED from our schools? BTW: I signed. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3122 Registered: 9-2003 |
a word about on-line petitions from www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.htm | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3659 Registered: 5-2001 |
CJ, Good clarification. I thought I had heard of CUTS being made to art education, as well as World Languages. (not necessarily total elimination) Unfortunately, the petition cannot be edited once it is created. | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2005 |
How many times are you gonna sign, Michael??? | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 8971 Registered: 4-1997  |
It's not about art per se, but about an aloof government that lies to citizens. Repeatedly. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1118 Registered: 5-2003 |
How will this petition be disseminated to S.Orange residents who are not readers/posters on MOL? | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2005 |
I spoke to some friends earlier and mentioned the petition to them and they asked if I could send them a link in an e-mail. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4470 Registered: 1-2004  |
MHD Please PL me a contact number for you. I think I'm close to having a story written on the 'other point of view' for the statue. Thanks! I was also thinking, maybe we need to create some static about this, and not just with an oline petition. I think among other things, we need to approach people near the train station, with a picture of what they will be forced to look at each morning if we can't find a way to give this 'gift' back. We need to also make them aware of the cost of this oversized paper weight will be to the town. And of course, how the residents of South Orange were mislead by Ms Arnet and some of the BOT members. I think it's especially important we ring the doorbells of those living on the streets Ms Arnet mentioned in her little speech to the BOT as those she polled who were in full support of this thing. Let them know the 'facts' and let them judge for themselves if they are still in support of the statue. I'm willing to ring bells, and get signature in the village, as I'm sure others would be, What do you think? | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2005 |
JTA, Methinks you have too much time on your hands. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3124 Registered: 9-2003 |
Actually, JTA's idea is more effective than an online petition. Where do you stand on the Tau issue Noodle? | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3125 Registered: 9-2003 |
MHD - please check for a PL from me. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4477 Registered: 1-2004 |
Flying- Yeah my friends say the same thing! Especially when I'm 'wheresgeorge' ing. LOL | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 1433 Registered: 10-2004 |
Noodle, I'm warning you now (from personal experience I say this), you better be with them or you'll learn to regret it. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 208 Registered: 1-2006 |
I will get the picture and overlay copied. jd | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 36 Registered: 5-2005 |
5.43pm - Channel 12 is about to run the piece about the statue... | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 373 Registered: 12-2002 |
Come on folks, there has to be more than 35 of us out there willing to sign this damn petition.  Next stop, BEIFUS! | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 41 Registered: 11-2005 |
More like 34 but actually there are at least 3 or 4 pairs from the same household, not to mention one signer who felt the need to sign up twice!! Pretty heavy representation from the "Quarry Folk". Wonder if they have other reasons for signing. | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 377 Registered: 12-2002 |
Spaghetti, Looks like 35 to me and I just looked at the list again and while I don't know what you mean by "Quarry Folk", what I see are 'Newstead Folk" which is not the quarry. As someone asked you before, are you with us or against us? PS I also didn't see a lot of 'same household' signings. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3662 Registered: 5-2001 |
VG, Sounds like Hariseldon has a new screenname. Perhaps by "Quarry folk" he means people who live in Newstead and already pay some of the highest taxes in town, yet, have potholes in their streets. | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 379 Registered: 12-2002 |
MHD, You call those potholes? I thought they were 'craters'. | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 39 Registered: 5-2005 |
On an issue such as this, EVERY voice should be heard. Maybe both adults in a household have the same view, or maybe they differ, but they both have the right to express their opinions. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3663 Registered: 5-2001 |
VG - LOL! I am actually extremely impressed at the response, so far, along with the thoughtful and articulate comments most people made. Can you imagine the impact it would have if only these 35+ people stepped up to speak at the next BOT Meeting? I actually always assumed that MOL consisted of only 5 unique people each with a dozen screen names  | ||
| Spitz Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 1596 Registered: 3-2003 |
Many of these so-called "Quarry Folk" are Newstead Folk, who together with residents from other parts of town feel strongly enough about the issue to put their names on an online petition for all to see. Some of these signers are close neighbors of Bill Calabrese and still feel passionate enough about the issue to sign their names for all to see. They are to be commended for standing up for what they feel is not the right thing for the Village. Noodle - Would you have such courage and passion to do the same? | ||
| hariseldon Citizen Username: Hariseldon Post Number: 434 Registered: 5-2001  |
MHD..Interesting comment about a new screen name but this is about the only time I have ever agreed with you. This thing is an abomination, absurdly placed and ridiculously expensive. So who ever Noodles is, he ain't me. Finally you are right on something (And I don't expect it ever to happen again)And before you ask, perhaps I have already signed the petition.) | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3664 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hari - I knew there was hope for you.  | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2005 |
Bottom line, love the art or hate it, this sounds like a game of South Orange monopoly (I have seen the West Orange Monopoly game for sale in Panera in West Orange and was told there was a South Orange version)... The difference is that this is not a game, it is real. Unlike the game, we can't sit and laugh as we mortgage properties, or chortle as we are wiped out financially as we know that we can start afresh the next time, or not pass go do not collect $200. Even the board game chance cards say "pay utilities" or "Pay x-amount to upkeep each property" etc etc. There are only a few people who know EXACTLY what is going on. Postings and petitions are well meant and encouraging to see people taking the time to join in etc, but the real test is how many will take the time on Monday to attend the BOT meeting? We all have "Better" things to do with our time, or do we? By better, do I really mean more interesting? I know I do, but I know that unless I put my butt on a seat in that room Monday night, and LISTEN, and decide if I am truly being lied to/misled/misinformed etc, all my comments and ramblings are worth nothing. This is our town, spending a couple of hours, even if it's just the once, and TRY to start make the changes that so many people are stating they want should be a priority. I've said before, the quality of the majority of the postings I have read, and the ideas/solutions to a multitude of issues being raised can only mean that we have a superb range of natural talent in our town, why not listen to our residents and maybe even pay attention to what they are saying, after all, I am sure some of the ideas are well worth hearing. This is a duplicate posting to the one on the size of the statue - I posted in the wrong place - sorry | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 631 Registered: 4-2005  |
Question for MHD, I would be more than willing to send the petition out to our students who have claimed residency (so they could vote) in South Orange. I think a good number know about the issues from the Village Liaison's Committee and other student leaders. However, because this issue deals primarily with "taxpayer funds", I'm hesitant to do so. For all the people on MOL who are supporting this initiative, what are your thoughts on the issue? I know that VP Calabrese said one of the reasons the statue is a benefit is because it will bring students to the downtown. I told him after the meeting I disagreed that the sculpture would be a "driving force" - so of course there is the 2nd issue, which is important to me as well, that deals with the location. Let me know what you guys think as I hate to be called a hijacker again... (and I won't get offended regardless)  | ||
| Soparents Citizen Username: Soparents Post Number: 43 Registered: 5-2005 |
Sheena, My opinion is that if you have students who are able to vote, then let them be aware. Even if people can't vote, they should know what is going on in the community they live in. Whether they are tax payers or not, they still live here, they still have to walk on the streets and drive on the roads. They still need street lighting, and they are still, for the length of time they are at Seton Hall, members of the community, and hopefully frequent the local stores etc bringing money into this community. I think something that will bring more students, and SO residents into the downtown area is not a statue, but it is a quality downtown area that is well maintained, but as said at the beginning, this is only my opinion. The one thing I do like about this forum is that voices that want to be heard, CAN be heard, whichever side of the fence you are on.. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 218 Registered: 1-2006 |
Sheena, don't your remember the unconstitutionality of the poll tax? Wealth is not a legal prerequisite to voter rights. jd | ||
| SOrising Citizen Username: Sorising Post Number: 162 Registered: 2-2006 |
Sheena, if SHU students vote in SO elections, they have every right, and perhaps some responsibility, to publicly deliberate about town issues with the rest of the town. The notion that anyone should have to pay, via taxes or any other means, to be a fully enfranchised member of the public is pernicious to democratic ideals. The voices of SHU students may help us remember this. But if it makes you feel any better, some of the taxes students pay on goods and services (like restaurants) in town may find their way back to SO through the state in various kinds of monetary support it provides to SO. Another poster to MOL may know more about this point than I. | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 633 Registered: 4-2005 |
I totally agree and what you all are saying is exactly what we were fighting for in the last election. It's just that the way this petition reads, it addresses the impact it has on South Orange 'tax payers' - so I just wanted to get general input from fellow MOLers and the author before I mass mail it out. Being the 'technology' school that we are, an email or message on facebook to students will generate a lot of signatures in a very short amount of time so I didn't want anyone to question the validity of the petition if SHU students sign it. But thank you for the feedback. Joel - Sure do! | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 222 Registered: 1-2006 |
Let them decide. jd | ||
| PARROT HEAD Citizen Username: Island_jack Post Number: 118 Registered: 3-2004  |
I no longer live in South Orange so I am not elligable to sign the petition. I do however work for the town and am 100% against S.O. spending half-a-million dollars on a statue that will be a target for bird s--t. Especially when this town could actually do a hundred things that are more worthwile with that kind of money. Please note that this is MY OPINION! | ||
| Pdg Citizen Username: Pdg Post Number: 703 Registered: 5-2004  |
Sheena, all registered voters, including SHU students are welcome, IMO! | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3669 Registered: 5-2001 |
Sheena, Of course anyone is welcome to sign the petition. Who know what (if anything) will be done with it and it certainly has no "legal" grounds. However, the more the merrier. If this petition is what it takes for people to rally together against this violation of public tax dollars and public trust, so be it. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3671 Registered: 5-2001 |
It seems this petition has gotten the attention of the "sculpture people" and they are circulating what they are calling a "fact sheet". Watch MOL for a REAL "fact sheet" later this weekend. | ||
| Frederick Schmid Citizen Username: Carlfrederick Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2006 |
When petitions circulate success is near at hand. I have professionally administered more than 75 public sculpture projects. Public reaction is a major part of any public scultpure project -- negative or positive -- it doesn't make any difference. The objective is to get people involved. Even those who are strongly oppose add to the importance of the program. Most likely they don't normally pay any attention to the visual arts, but public sculpture can change that. So thank you all for making this project a great success. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 223 Registered: 1-2006 |
I would oppose a child rapist relocating to town, and you claim opposition is getting "involved." What hubris! Like involved in keeping a rapist off the block? Or, just plain opposition? jd | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 224 Registered: 1-2006 |
Normally, the rapist is on parole and not in your face. Your metal work is overshadowing a sweet spot, and only a copy, and dark, brooding (I can use art talk, too), piece of sun blocking, dog attracting, bird dropping capturing art. jd |
