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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 176
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For about a month now, during remonstrances at the BOT meetings, Mr. Goldberg has asked how the TS sculpture is being funded. He still has no answer.

First he was told it was a gift with no public monies going towards it. Then he was told it would be paid for by grants and donations. Then he was told the town borrowed money to pay for it. Now, after several different people checked, including, apparently, the village clerk who keeps track of town records, no records can be located about the allegedly borrowed money.

Not only was the village clerk with several residents also looking unable to locate any records about the bond that is the latest explanation for how the town is getting only a quarter of a million for a project that will cost over half a million, the clerk and various assistants were also unable to locate any record of public discussions about the TS sculpture project.

Since no records of public discussions have been located and since the very existence of a poll about public opinion about the sculpture is in doubt, the BOT needs to cut the town's losses now and stop the TS sculpture project.

In the meantime, they need to find out where the bond and money for it are. Until this is straightened out, the TS sculpture project should be stopped immediately.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 3707
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SOrising,

To be clear, to my knowledge, the Village Clerk simply fulfilled an OPRA request and provided the requested bond ordinances.

The Village Clerk was extremely cooperative. I would not say that they were "unable to locate any records". The Clerk provided the information requested, but never attempted (and was never asked) to interpret the information.

However, you original point is valid - first we were told by the BOT it was a "gift", then we were told "grant", then we were told "bond".

We now need the paper trail that public hearings were held and a "Tony Smith sculpture" was bonded for.
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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 178
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks for the correction, MHD. I'll look at the video. I thought I remembered seeing extended discussions about not being able to locate the bond record because it was probably "lumped together" with other items and therefore could not be identified in the records that were produced.

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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 191
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 2:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My understanding is that the bond for the TS sculpture has not been identified despite the clerk and others trying to locate it in old records of the town.

If there is no bond, where is the $250,000 that was supposed to have been loaned to the village? Someone mentioned it has been set aside. Where? There should be accounting records that indicate where it is and where it came from, if it has been set aside.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 3734
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SORising,

I will reiterate what I said above: The Village Clerk provided ALL information requested, but never attempted (and was never asked) to interpret the information.
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mary032
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Username: Mary032

Post Number: 237
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 4:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MHD,

Would you please share with us whatever information you received from the Clerk?
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SOrising
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Username: Sorising

Post Number: 194
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 5:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MHD, why would a clerk interpret anything? And it is not clear why a bond ordinance would need interpreting, by anyone. They should be pretty straightforward.

I am going by the last BOT meeting. Several people indicated references for a bond for a sculpture could not be located in the records they found. So, whatever the clerk did or did not do, the records for a sculpture bond have not been located, at least according to the testimony provided in remonstrances at the last BOT meeting.

The clerk is not the issue. Evidence of a sculpture bond and whether the town can produce it are.

(I'm perplexed that you seem to think we differ...?)
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro

Post Number: 2705
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 10:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

This is what everyone was saying "wait for John Gross to return" about. Mr. Gross appears to be the only one who knows which bond the funds are buried in.

What I find most upsetting is that not one trustee seems the least bit disturbed that no one could identify the source of the funds. They have complete confidence that Mr. Gross will have no trouble finding the funds.
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joel dranove
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Username: Jdranove

Post Number: 256
Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 7:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How long will he be incapacitated from his second floor fall?
Can he spill the secrets while on the mend?
It sounds like a close call, and hopefully he will recover quickly.
jd

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