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Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1620
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 4:16 pm: | 
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The njmonthly.com website now has the listing of all 566 municipalities in N.J.
To see how South Orange ranks, click on Essex County. Then click South Orange to see what numbers were used to compare it against other municipaliies. South Orange is ranked 198.
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Kitchenguru
Citizen
Username: Kitchenguru
Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 6:27 pm: |
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Thanks very much for posting this. Everyone really should take a look at this list just to see how meaningless it is. I know my neighbors in South Orange are just really envious of people living in "better places" like Clark, Union, Kearny, Hazlet...New Jersey magazines, just like all the millions of magazines out there are just desperate for content to sell ads. Wonder how much Hovnanian paid for that spot, it was well worth it. |
jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 402
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 9:59 pm: |
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How about a link? |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1621
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:08 pm: |
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http://njmonthly.com/ |
jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 405
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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Thanks Spitz,
It's a little dry.
South Orange is improving. Hey, I moved here. That's going to fix everything.
J.B. |
Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1622
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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South Orange actually has done extremely well. If you look at these kinds of surveys in an objective way, maybe you can learn something from them. The methodolgy is explained, and the numbers used are objective. Perhaps some others can take a look and see if there are areas where we can improve. One area where we are definitely weak is open space (4%). That is probably something that will be difficult to improve upon (or is it?).
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PARROT HEAD
Citizen
Username: Island_jack
Post Number: 130
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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I love this town. Unfortunately my wife and I couldn't afford to buy here, but I still love it. I work for the town so I have a behind-the-scenes view of what is being done and (more importantly) what needs to be done. I only wish that my opinion mattered. As much as things are improving, they're getting worse. I love this town but it neds a lot of help. |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 74
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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EVERY OPINION MATTERS FROM SOMEONE WHO CARES....
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Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1623
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 11:00 pm: |
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I think many of us share Parrot Head's feelings. South Orange is at a turning point. That's why getting more people involved like Soparents is so important. |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 76
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 11:11 pm: |
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Suzanne Ng
Citizen
Username: Suzanneng
Post Number: 684
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 7:02 am: |
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Great! At least here in West Orange we're above Newark, Irvington, Orange and East Orange!
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SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 188
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 7:04 am: |
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Is that a grimace, Soparents? Feeling ambivalent about what you're getting into?
So do I. |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 77
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 8:03 am: |
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Nope, it's a great big, "Here I am and i'm here to stay" grin!!!!!!! |
Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1629
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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One of the eight categories used by the Monmouth University Polling Institue that would best represent quality of life in New Jersey is property taxes. South Orange has a median home sales price of $485,500 and median property taxes of $10,709.
There are only six municipalities in the top 100 list with median property taxes higher than South Orange. They are shown below with their median home sales prices.
3. Essex Fells $960,000 $11,689
28. Alpine 1,780,000 10,910
37. Tenafly 675,000 10,758
38. Millburn 894,500 12,757
44. Haworth 606,675 11,106
55. North Caldwell 605,000 10,931
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2707
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 10:59 pm: |
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So it appears that, among the high tax towns, we have the highest effective tax rate in the county. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2708
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 8:34 am: |
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That should be the highest effective tax rate in the state, not the county. |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 195
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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Spitz, I knew it was bad, but I'm still shocked by your stats. What a killer.
Remember it at the next election, or recall, whichever comes first. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2710
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 9:38 am: |
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Just for a bit of perspective,
| Median Home Sale | Median Tax Bill | Effective Tax Rate | | Essex Fells | $960,000 | $11,689 | 1.22% | | Alpine | 1,780,000 | 10,910 | 0.61% | | Tenafly | 675,000 | 10,758 | 1.59% | | Millburn | 894,500 | 12,757 | 1.43% | | Haworth | 606,675 | 11,106 | 1.83% | | North Caldwell | 605,000 | 10,931 | 1.81% | | South Orange | 485,500 | 10,709 | 2.21% | | Maplewood | 405,000 | 9,541 | 2.36% | |
I do question these numbers a bit, though. I thought South Orange's median prop tax and the median sale price was higher. Same for Maplewood as far as sale price. |
Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1631
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 9:47 am: |
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Rastro - I think you may be thinking of the average home sales prices and average property taxes which are in fact higher for SO and Maplewood than the median sales prices and median property taxes.
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2711
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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Probably. Thanks. BTW, nice showing on Monday night. |
shoshannah
Citizen
Username: Shoshannah
Post Number: 1203
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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Anyone have any idea why taxes in Alpine -- an extremely wealthy community in Bergen county -- are so low? Is it that they provide no services? |
Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1632
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2006 - 9:54 am: |
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Rastro - Thank you. |
susan1014
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Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1455
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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I finally took a look at the article and website, and saw that the only major difference between Maplewood and South Orange (which presumably drives the very different rankings) is percent of open space.
[I'm not going to copy all of the details, but www.njmonthly.com has them]
In other words, Maplewood ranked 39th in this survey vs. South Orange's 198th primarily because they are the municipality of record for part of the Reservation.
So they get both the Reservation's crime stats and the "Best Town" credit for it!
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spw784
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Username: Spw784
Post Number: 873
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |
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Not sure, shoshannah... but they do not offer home delivery of the mail, they only have one K-8 school (and a small one at that). Much of the open land is parkland, and there is also little or no industry in town... |
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