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michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 179
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:01 pm: | 
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I have been reading all the comments about the Tony Smith sculpture and I was not sure how to respond or if I wanted to get into it. But then I read MR. Rosners blog on the issue and I quote his point #2-"I think the idea of honoring a local artist as well respected as Mr. Smith is a great idea."
Thank you Mr. Rosner for having such class and respect.
I am proud to live in a town that Mr.Smith called home. I find it disgusting that someone calls him an anti-semite. I hope I never have the misfortune to meet Joel Dranove.
Mr. Smith not only was a great sculpture he was a neighbor of everyone who lives in South Orange and the surrounding towns. A neighbor who some people have no issue with publicly disgracing. How sad is that? Very sad!
If you have issue with the way the gov't raised the money then have issue with that. Art is always subjective. What one person likes and understands the other may not. This is art. It is without question that Mr. Tony Smith is a very famous artist. I am proud to live in a town he once lived in. I look forward to seeing his sculpture in our town...his town. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1477
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:12 pm: |
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Michael, I think this is a classic example of taking one quote out of context and ignoring the rest of the message.
Readers should go to the other thread and read Mr. Rosner's full blog entry, rather than just michael's rather limited excerpt.
But I'll agree with you that Mark Rosner is a class act. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 180
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:22 pm: |
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Susan here is the latest comment talking about the sculpture and calabrese
ROGER
Citizen
Username: Roger
Post Number: 71
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:02 pm:
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Yes, both are completely useless, expensive and ugly.
There are many many more. Very sad. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1048
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:25 pm: |
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michael brant -
If Tony Smith were indeed a sculpture and not a sculptor we would not really have any problem at all. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 181
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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And my limited excerpt as you have called it was the reason I said what I did. As a community and as neighbors of Tony Smith we should be ashamed at what a disgrace this has turned into.
Fight Calabrese on his misleading of the community but publicly disgracing a world renowned artist and neighbor is classless. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 462
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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I didn't know of him. And disgracing? They said the Tau sculpture sucked. It's an opinion. Everyone has them. Deal with it. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 182
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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Glock 17 you clearly are representative of the classless, tacky and disrespectful people I have spoke of.
You have a lot of growing up to do. I guess the fact that you chose an assault weapon as your screen name says it all. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 464
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:38 pm: |
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The handgun I have chosen for my screen name is a remarkable and finely tuned weapon...much like the human mind.
But as to the dislike of the Tau sculpture. Are you suggesting that when someone flat out dislikes something...they not say anything?
"Oh well the Tau sculpture does have a few goodthings going for it...but I feel its negatives outweigh its positives."
Weak. I'd rather just say. "In my opinion, the Tau sculpture sucks...it's big, ugly, and costs a hell of a lot of money." |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9109
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:41 pm: |
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Michael,
You do realize the quote about Mr. Smith was taken from an article on Slate,com and that the author was less than helpful in solving the quesiton regarding the anti-semitism claim, right? |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 183
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:53 pm: |
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Yes I do thank you, but nevertheless it was put out there. If someone is going to make such a statement public I think there should be 100% undisputed proof supporting it. But that comment is one of many negative statements made about the sculpture. This is a piece of art it will be looked at by most likely thousands and there will be people who understand it and appreciate it and there will be people who do not. Neither is right or wrong. But I do think in good taste to make such negative comments publicly says nothing positive about our community. To say publicly that I personally do not understand it or like this type of art is acceptable at least to me. But to say things like
---" it is completely useless, expensive and ugly.--- to me is wrong and it says nothing nice about us as a community.
just my thoughts
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9110
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:55 pm: |
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If it were true, would you want Tau?
Should it have been investigated now or after we spent money and resources on it? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2765
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:56 pm: |
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" If someone is going to make such a statement public I think there should be 100% undisputed proof supporting it. "
First, I cannot help but laugh about a statement like this on a message board such as this.
Second, do you hold the TSSP to the same high standard? There were incorrect and misleading statements made by everyone nvolved in this, from the TSSP, to the BOT, to the VP. I don't see you calling them on the carpet for their misstatements. |
Rob E. Bank
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 374
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 3:11 pm: |
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We can't afford it at this time. What is so difficult to understand. Is this a lesson to be learned for the future? Not likely, these actions have replicated through the years, this time they got caught in their shennanigans. Perhaps the honorable trustees could remedy the concerns of mismanagement and look closer into the village's finances in the various discreet accounts for the past years? Does the combination of the COO/CFO still make any sense to anyone?
BTW: Let's not forget that our CEO is saddled with apparent conflicts of interests. 
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Rob E. Bank
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 375
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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Art, yes the Arts of financial ruin..... |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 184
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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Mr. Pizzaz what was your post I can't seem to find it? |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 185
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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The Glock is designed as an assault weapon to kill. Not like the human mind.
You say---"In my opinion, the Tau sculpture sucks...it's big, ugly, and costs a hell of a lot of money" Glock would you have the guts to say that directly to the Tony Smith family?
You seem to be a very angry young man. If you would like to get some professional help please reach out. You clearly have some very serious issues. |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 122
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 3:41 pm: |
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I feel like crying....
I am so awfully confused by all this..... Money going out to places it shouldn't, money not being spent on necessary repairs when it should be, I don't even pretend to understand the $500 something thousand that it now going to the schools(?) at the wave of a hand by the BOT, then there are pits and holes, and knocked down buildings and coming soon signs all over town, people working for the good of the town on one hand and others apparently not so focused on our good on the other, now I hear about a huge sum of money being spent on the Rahway(?) river - I didn't even know we have a river....
I do know that my water bills are spiralling out of control, then I hear about contaminated water - that is raising alarm bells, is this contaminated water going into our water supply? Is this gossip, is there really contaminated water? how do we know?
It doesn't matter WHERE in South Orange we live.... the fact is we are the residents. I don't want speculation anymore. I want facts. I want answers to the concerns that people are raising.
Can anyone out there give me the cold hard facts, even hard to take but provable facts.... |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 467
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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The glock is the choice of the NYPD
and I need professional help? Jeez, and you said I was tacky.
Additionally, yes I would have the guts to say that to the smith family. IT''s not their sculpture. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 186
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:08 pm: |
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I said--If you would like to get some professional help please reach out.
you said--and I need professional help?
question answered. Please reach out to someone.
The NYPD use the glock as well as the SWAT teams. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2770
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:08 pm: |
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can you two take this someplace else? |
SO1969
Citizen
Username: Bklyn1969
Post Number: 258
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:14 pm: |
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I don't know anything about contaminated water. Please don't spread that notion without confirmation.
What I am aware of his high mineral content in our drinking water - good for you as a human being, but can be rough on fixtures, etc. It is a problem - the kind of problem that municipal governments typically focus on and fix.
Our BOT is too busy spending an unprecedented amount of municipal resources on art (no known comparables anywhere in U.S. for % of municipal budget spent on Tau or SOPAC) and entering into bad real estate deals and PILOT give aways and tearing down building to focus on the mundane business of small town municipal government, like having a water supply that is both safe on us - humans - and not problematic for our fixtures. Also too busy to spend bond money borrowed for streets and sidewalks on streets and sidewalks.
John Gross said softening the water at the source would cost "millions of dollars" - the source of course being the company he and the village attorney and others negotiated a bad contract with to supply us with drinking water. He said "millions of dollars" like SO couldn't afford to pay that, not seeing or mentioning that apparently spending $16mm on SOPAC and $500K on Tau is not a problem, but fixing the tap water to not ruin fixtures is beyond our reach. (AGAIN - perfectly fine to drink, tastes good to me, we drink it unfiltered). |
Agrackle
Citizen
Username: Agrackle
Post Number: 31
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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Cost of every household in South Orange buying a water softener?
$1,500 (cost of softener) x 5,000 (households, estimate?) = $7.5 million
Thank you BOT! |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2716
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:50 pm: |
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Argackle: I had to buy a water softerner back in 1986 (prior to the switch to EOW). Cost then was $600.00. When we had to replace, the cost was still less than a $1,000. Either way, the village had hard water back then and we have hard water now. The water tasted lousy back then and still does (which is why I have bottled water delivered to the house). |
Agrackle
Citizen
Username: Agrackle
Post Number: 32
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 5:12 pm: |
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Mark:
Just using data that I've seen recently on the "Home Fix It" section (and definitely using it with a bit of tongue and cheek), but if you've replaced yours recently, you certainly know better than I (who did you use, by the way, I'd like to look into getting one).
In all seriousness, however, I am curious about the recent complaints I've seen from fellow MOLers about higher prices, any insight into that? Haven't seen it with my bill, but wondering if there are price restrictions, etc. that we place on them.
Thanks Mark. And, by the way, I want to thank you for the solid job you're doing on the BOT and very much appreciate your responsiveness to the residents. That goes a long way in my book.
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Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 801
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 5:18 pm: |
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My top of the line water softener, purchased in 1999 from Culligan was $1,420.40 installed. Back then, the water softener worked fine all by itself and we were happy. Now, my glass dishes and drinking glasses get a disgusting cloudy white film all over them unless I use 1/4 cup of Glass Magic in every single dishwasher load.
The Glass Magic has taken some of the cloudiness off; completely off some glasses. But some items are ruined for good it seems. Tiny little boxes of Glass Magic are expensive and certainly shouldn't be necessary if I have a water softener! BTW, Culligan has retested my water since the problem and has proved to me that my water tests as "soft". So, the problem is not your basic hard water. This water has serious problems.
My dishwasher had to be replaced last June and my brand new dishwasher still gives the same cloudy results when I run out of Glass Magic. It is ridiculous and unacceptable! |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2717
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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Argackle: thanks for the kind words.
I got mine from Jayson - which if remember right was about 50% less than Culligan (sorry PDG). I also know that Sears had one for less than $1,000. Also, it was less than $10.00 a month from Jayson for the unit to lease.
There is no question our water today is harder (is the correct term?) than it was years ago. I never liked the taste of hard water but that does not mean it is bad for you. I know it is not good for the boiler, hot water heater, pipes etc. Believe me, I want to see some kind of fix but legally it would appear we are stuck with EOW. Even if we did not have EOW as the supplier, I would suggest buying a water softener as was suggested to me 20 years ago. It is an investment in protecting your appliances and pipes.
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jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 564
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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How is it that we are "stuck" with EOW? Isn't Matthews supposed to update the Board and residents as to what options are open to remedy the situation? Didn't any contract with EOW set water standards? |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 476
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 1:36 pm: |
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M. Rosner for Village Prez. 'Nuff Said |
Rob E. Bank
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 380
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 2:24 pm: |
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But, the water is still unpalatable to drink in many areas around town. The answer is buy a water conditioner. Sorry, that's not good enough for me!!!! |
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