| Author | Message | ||
     Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4666 Registered: 1-2004  |
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| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9210 Registered: 4-1997  |
This makes it easy. I'll be voting for the other 3.  | ||
| Lucy Supporter Username: Lucy Post Number: 3430 Registered: 5-2005  |
I can't believe it it's like the kiss of death for these candidates except they are SO residents!  | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 599 Registered: 7-2005  |
Why is it on a tuesday when I wont be home. SUPER WeAK!  | ||
| jayjay Citizen Username: Jayjayp Post Number: 581 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is he really talking about budgetary processes and maintenance at the schools. Who wrote this for him? Who paid for the mailing? Did it come in a village stationary envelope? | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 667 Registered: 4-2005  |
Please don't discredit these candidates because Calabrese endorsed them. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4667 Registered: 1-2004 |
I can't believe nobody else got this. My thoughts exactly about how bad this is for Wayne and the other two named in the letter. I'm going to go over to Wayne's tomorrow and ask him if he's aware of this and if so, does he even want Bill to endorse him. I'm pretty sure Wayne realizes what a bad taste Bill leaves in the mouths of many residents. The only problem is this group doesn't even have enough time to get a letter to the Snooze Wreckered to defend themselves! I'm wondering if this is actually an underhanded move to prevent these three from being elected! At first, when I saw this I told my mom, sister and brother in law if Bill supports these three we can't vote for them because they will just be puppets for the BOT. Then I realized this might be exactly the reaction Bill wanted. So, I decided I will make my decision based on what Wayne tells me. Just because Calabrese endorsed these three doesn't mean they welcome the endorsement. Right? Just asked my mom if she still have the envelope the letter came in. The answer was 'No, sorry.' I was lucky we were able to dig the letter out of the garbage. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9213 Registered: 4-1997 |
Right on. Discredit them because they're on the wrong side of the issues. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 601 Registered: 7-2005 |
Swish! | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3870 Registered: 5-2001  |
Sorry, Gleason....your lawn sign is coming down tomorrow. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3240 Registered: 9-2003 |
For what it's worth, Gleason is the one person that I knew I was voting for. Still will. | ||
| argon_smythe Citizen Username: Argon_smythe Post Number: 815 Registered: 5-2001 |
Glock did you really just ask why an election was being held on a Tuesday? | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 602 Registered: 7-2005 |
YEah... are they all? I just turned 18 on December 31st. Haven't been into the whole voting scene yet. | ||
| Lizziecat Citizen Username: Lizziecat Post Number: 1155 Registered: 5-2003 |
I didn't get that. I wonder how many people did? | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4669 Registered: 1-2004 |
Dave- I'm not sure what you meant. Did you mean Bill discredit them or me? If I read your post correctly it means Bill discredit them before they can disagree with him and his 'vision?' In otherwords, he doesn't want them to win the BOE seas because he doesn't think they will vote on issues the way he wants BOE members to vote? Funny how the letter made reference to South Orange not having 'equal representation' on the board as Maplewood. Does anyone have the breakdown of past Maplewood / South Orange members? How come nothing was ever said in the past? Why wasn't it a concern then? SoLady Do you happen to know if these three candidates are aware of this letter and did they approve of it? Lizzie, I'm wonder if this letter was sent to a 'select group of people?' If so, how'd my family be so lucky as to get one? I know several MOL people who live within a few blocks of me who didn't get this letter. | ||
| kmk Supporter Username: Kmk Post Number: 1173 Registered: 5-2001  |
Why is it so important for each municipality to have equal representation on the school board? Aren't we in this together? Isn't the tax dollar still a dollar on both sides of the town line? Shouldn't we simply elect the best candidates? I don't like his rationale....vote for them - they are your neighbors...ughhh. | ||
| Agrackle Citizen Username: Agrackle Post Number: 40 Registered: 2-2004 |
Sorry, but I have to agree with our Prez. on this one. How in the world can anyone vote for incumbents who have been on the BOE while our schools have deteriorated to points beyond understanding. In a coffee discussion with Eastman/Payne-Parish the other night, I learned that some classes don't have any books, that a $90 million budget is "tight", that Columbia High School is close to losing its accreditation, that we spend $10k+ per student but do little to ensure that non-residents aren't sapping our limited resources, etc, etc, etc. How in the world can this be the case? Our school system doesn't need some ridiculous 5 year strategic plan, it needs to execute on basic blocking and tackling, plain and simple. New blood in the BOE, new blood in the BOT!! Who cares who Calabrese endorses or why. | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 407 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've got to know some of these candidates during this campaign and the fact that someone, who we may all have issues with, endorses them, I don't think is a reason not to vote for them. It's also not a reason not to vote for them. Having said that, if you want to make an eductated choice, talk to the candidates, then make your decision on who best would serve us on the BOE. Since all MOL posters have their own opinions and usually never afraid to express them, I'm frankly surprised that some of you would turn on candidates who were supporting only to change your mind due to an endorsement. Vote with your head, please! Yes, since I'm sure someone will ask, I'm voting for Gleason, Eastman and Payne-Parrish, this doesn't change my opinion. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3731 Registered: 5-2001  |
Right, VG. -s. BTW, MHD: what a kneejerk comment. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 352 Registered: 1-2006 |
What do those three think of Don Calabrese? jd | ||
| Matt Foley Citizen Username: Mattfoley Post Number: 632 Registered: 6-2004  |
Glock- Welcome to the voting world. No question is a bad question. I may not always agre with you. However, I respect your willingness to get in the game and talk it up. I hope more young people participate like you. | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 409 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well fellow MOLer's, I guess there is no a dilemma, since the NR has now endorsed the other three candidtates.  I stand by what I said earlier, vote with your head, talk to the candidates and make a valued decision, not one on who endorsed who. This is an important election, let's all do our civic duty and vote, no matter what side you're on. Just don't let other events cloud your decision process. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 3242 Registered: 9-2003 |
Well stated, vermontgolfer, very well stated!! | ||
| vermontgolfer Supporter Username: Vermontgolfer Post Number: 410 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thank you! BTW, the post should have read 'I guess there is now a dilemma....', not 'I guess there is no a dilemma...', sorry about that! | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 668 Registered: 4-2005 |
I mean honestly... can the News Records ever get anything right? Sometimes I think they just flip a coin... this is outrageous. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 354 Registered: 1-2006 |
What do any of them think of local tax burdens and percentage of school budget paid by SO, compared to percent of students from SO? jd | ||
| SOrising Citizen Username: Sorising Post Number: 294 Registered: 2-2006 |
I've heard that Eastman graduated from Harvard law and teaches at the Newark campus of Rutgers. Payne-Parrish has a PhD from Albert Einstein College of medicine, and Gleason has a masters from Northwestern and an undergraduate degree from Georgetown. They all have children in the schools and would be new to the Board, I think. These sound like good qualifications to provide oversight on a board of education, for starters. | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1049 Registered: 6-2001 |
joel, Please explain the relationship, if any, among: the local tax burdens; the percentage of school budget paid by SO; and the percentage of students from SO. Thanks in advance. TomR | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9218 Registered: 4-1997 |
South Orange pays a disproportionately higher portion of school taxes based on number of students enrolled. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 355 Registered: 1-2006 |
Properties are off the tax books, for years, because town gov't allowed it as part of permanently coming soon "redevelopment," leaving us with a tax shortfall made up by higher town taxes than would be if competence reigned. jd | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 356 Registered: 1-2006 |
Higher taxes and a downtown which looks like bombed out London, with Calabrese and BOT decisions as devastating to property as a bombing run by Goering's Luftwaffe. jd | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 3881 Registered: 5-2001 |
Since Calabrese seems to have only sent his letter to people he thinks would be influenced by his endorsement, imagine if we could identify those people and educate them on the TRUTH about the destruction that Calabrese & Co have caused. Looks like JTA's mom is on the list and JTA is already working on "enlightening" her. Know of anyone else that received the letter? | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3732 Registered: 5-2001 |
Newspeak. -s. | ||
| Sheena Collum SHU Citizen Username: Sheena_collum Post Number: 669 Registered: 4-2005 |
Soda, lololololol. Now that was funny... | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4673 Registered: 1-2004 |
MHD- Now that my mom has seen the Snooze Wreckered she wants to know why they endorsed the other candidates. I think it's going to turn out with us voting for a combination of the two. My sister and brother in law can't be bothered because my nephews don't go to school in the district. I can't believe nobody else has gotten this letter! My mom is more surprised because nobody in my family even has children in the schools here. Go figure... I think Sheena said it best, might as well flip a coin. | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 1498 Registered: 3-2002 |
No coin flips here...I've got about 6 hours of video on Tivo that I have to watch this weekend to prepare for this vote. I haven't been keeping up, so now I must suffer! | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4675 Registered: 1-2004 |
susan I don't envy you! I bet it's just as bad as watching a BOT meeting! | ||
| TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1051 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dave, Given that joel has declined to expound further on his assertion; and that you were, presumably, responding to my query; please explain. Disproportionate? How so? All residential properties in the District are taxed at the same effective rate. Oui? Non? My recollection is that South Orange households have approximately 40% of the District's school aged children. Oui? Non? Its also my recollection that owners of South Orange residential properties pay about 42% of the District's residential tax levy. Oui? Non? If my recollection of any of the above items is incorrect, please accept my apology in advance, but... Is that mere ~2% deviation between school aged children in the District, and the tax levy, the source of your claim that "South Orange pays a disproportionately higher portion of school taxes..."? As an aside; do you think that the Charter Revision Commission's ballot recommendation (limited to South Orange voters of the District only) is an appropriate step toward resolution of the claimed disproportionate tax burden? TomR | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2351 Registered: 5-2001 |
JTA, In my opinion, the News Record endorsed the correct three candidates. The paper may be lacking at times in fact-checking and spell-checking but they hit a home-run in their endorsements and the reasons given as well. Wonder why Calabrese didn't endorse Marlon Brownlee as a third South Orange person since representation of South Orange seemed important to him? Wendy Lauter | ||
| Agrackle Citizen Username: Agrackle Post Number: 42 Registered: 2-2004 |
Sorry Wendy, but that's like arguing that South Orange residents should re-elect all the incumbents in the next BOT election because South Orange is going through tough times and the current trustees have more experience than any prospective challengers. When a decision making body like the BOE contributes to the decline in our school system, there is no way you'll ever convince me that it makes more sense to re-elect incumbents because they have more experience. Vote for the incumbents if you think our schools are headed in the right direction, otherwise new blood is what we need, especially independent decision makers, not just members who serve the administration's interests. And anyone who is swayed by either Bill Calabrese's or the News Record's endorsement needs to have their head examined. |
