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L.L. Slobovitch
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 416
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:36 pm: | 
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The only shame is the morons we have as public servants. You Spaghetti head must certainly be one of them. |
FlyingSpaghettiMonst
Citizen
Username: Noodlyappendage
Post Number: 91
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:36 pm: |
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Nicely done, MHD. Informative, concrete post!! |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 229
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:17 pm: |
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I repeat, can someone name one thing on a on going basis that the COC has done to help promote the local businesses or increase consumer traffic that has been proven effective?
And can someone tell me the total number of businesses that belong to the COC? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9341
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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1) Not tax businesses to generate phony jobs for family relations.
2) Not lie to the citizens of South Orange (continually)
c) Not make up multiple phony names to say all is well in SO. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 230
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
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Dave was that post in response to my questions? |
FlyingSpaghettiMonst
Citizen
Username: Noodlyappendage
Post Number: 92
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:47 pm: |
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Whether I am a "public servant" or not, isn't calling me a moron a personal attack, something that is not allowed on the BB (unless you are a friend of and agree with the postings of the "slob" in question? |
L.L. Slobovitch
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 418
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:52 pm: |
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You know who you are.... speak about personal attacks, you are a duck.... quack, quack! |
FlyingSpaghettiMonst
Citizen
Username: Noodlyappendage
Post Number: 95
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:59 pm: |
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And the personal attacks continue with no reprimand in sight........ |
L.L. Slobovitch
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 420
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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grow up..... |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 231
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:10 pm: |
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No one wants to answer my questions? |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 445
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:18 pm: |
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Where will SOPAC'ers park?
From there they walk past whatever is between them and the parking lot entrance of the movie theatres.
So, set up a tent city of shops in the parking lot.
jd |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2753
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:23 pm: |
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Michael Brant: perhaps this will help - http://www.southorangechamber.com/index.html
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michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 232
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:40 pm: |
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Elaine is anyone planning on updating the COC site? There is absolutely nothing listed that is current as far as events. You have businesses that no longer exist like Georgious, upper trend, Yanic's? What is the deal here? Are there really any current members to this COC?
Quite honestly this sight is pathetic. And the only thing listed under latest news that is current is please remember to send your 2006 membership!
Boy. For someone who really does come off as a pro and I do believe this, the COC site is very unprofessional.
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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2754
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:49 pm: |
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Sorry I posted the link. The site does not help the COC's cause. It is really dated and would not be much help to a prospective business looking to come to S. Orange.
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michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 233
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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If you really would like a laugh read the current comment from the president of the COC on the COC website! IT IS FROM 2004!
"The South Orange Chamber had a very exciting and successful 2004 year. I want to thank our hard working Board who were able to bring our membership interesting workshops and lectures and outstanding community events. I also want to thank our membership as a whole for their continued involvement throughout the year. We have a lot in store of for 2005." |
Mary32
Citizen
Username: Mary32
Post Number: 15
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:56 pm: |
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I too followed mrosner link and visited the CoC website. All I see is the picture of Elaine Harris, and her statement that “we have a lot in store for 2005”. All the news and announcements are for 2004 and 2005. There is also a picture of “acting Governor Richard Codey” with Elaine Harris right behind him at an event in Seton Hall in 2004.
They must be very busy, that’s why they haven’t updated their website since 2004.
Phleeeeease.
Mary
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9342
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:56 pm: |
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Perhaps it's coming soon?  |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 234
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 5:06 pm: |
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And Elaine never has a nice thing to say about Mr. Heller who developed sloan street and the COC features this property in several photos?
What a JOKE!
All this time I thought it was a viable and usefull organization for the businesses in South Orange. I wonder where all the money goes that they collect?
Perhaps a SID is a good thing. Or atleast the COC and the local businesses should explore its possible potential.
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tete a tete
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 421
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 5:21 pm: |
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Perhaps forming a DRMC and consolidating with Maplewood is the best we can ask for. Anything short of that is a waste of time and money....
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joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 446
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 6:08 pm: |
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Keep your eye on the ball: our own gov mistakes, negligence and financial mayhem.
That is all.
The voters may vote a better result, or maybe not.
But, take a look at what we have.
Killing the messengers is a time honored tradition.
The truth remains.
jd
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Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3874
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 8:47 pm: |
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A few burning rhetorical questions:
* What exactly is the operational strategy of the South Orange CoC re: bringing new businesses into our Village?
* Why isn't Dave a member? What's his agenda?
* Does anything besides personal attacks get parkingsux off?
* How long will it be before the CoC website mysteriously goes down for "redevelopment", and
* When does Elaine's term as President end?
* If I should inquire "Where does Elaine get her wigs?", and then politely assure her that I was only joshing, will she offer to take me out to lunch, too?
* Will she be surprised when I demur?
* Elaine, "as a lawyer", what else are you conditioned to do? (Try to forget that we've all seen you on TV...) Does the phrase "badgering the witness" come to mind?
-s.
BTW: Did Elaine learn to Connect The Dots watching PeeWee's Playhouse? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9345
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 9:18 pm: |
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I'm a member. The Chamber does a good job with networking events and keeping membership updated about local issues. Dues are very low, so there's not a big stash of cash to do much more. I guess there's history from before my participation between Soda, Elaine and others. Most chamber members seem like nice people and are skeptical of local government involvement in their businesses, which, I am not at all shocked to hear given the rather paltry record of Village Hall. |
tete a tete
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 422
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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Oh but the balls of some people are well known for their miniscule masculinity when they vent toward a woman who does not hide behind a pseudonym. You are once again worthy of a psychiatric review. This time it's your neighbors, Mr. Soda, who know you are nuts. Have you had your balls stuffed in your mouth lately, but then again you worry so much since you only have one. So sorry.... have you been well, come talk to me about your low self-esteem?
so tell me, you have been feeling down for so long that you finally decided to seek the aid of a psychiatrist once again and this is the story I'm told:
You went there and lay on the couch, spilled your guts then waited for the profound wisdom of the psychiatrist to make you feel better.
The psychiatrist asked you a few questions, took some notes then sat thinking in silence for a few minutes with a puzzled look on his face.
Suddenly, he looked up with an expression of delight and said, "Um, I think your problem is low self-esteem. It is very common among losers."
...and time and time again you are conditioned to accept the opinion of a professional that you are a loser!!!!! So sorry...you ball-less dick.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9349
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:52 pm: |
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^^^^^ good example of a personal attack. 1 week suspension. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 235
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:59 am: |
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It has become quite obvious to me that the COC is a useless vehicle for the towns businesses. Dave I respect you donating your hundred dollars to the COC. If the reason they are not affective is because the funds are low then they should either increase their dues or shut it down. The more you explore their site the more obvious it becomes it is totally out of date. So at the very least the site should be shuttered.
I know many members of the COC and yes, they are very nice people. I support many of their businesses.
It seems like their are 117 members that is $11,700 in revenue. Seems like a lot of money to me.
Being in the commercial real estate industry I have had the ability to work with all kind of local organizations...........in my opinion the ones in our town are unproductive. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9351
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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If $11,700 seems like a lot of money to you I don't know how to respond. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 236
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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Dave with all due respect why does every conversation have to go back to the town Govt. Lets discuss the issue at hand? I think is it very clear to everyone on this site that but for a select few our towns gov't is a sham. But the posting of the COC site has opened the door to a totally new discussion.
Is the COC useful? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9352
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:11 am: |
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You brought up the chamber, not me.
If the chamber is useful to its members what's it to you? It uses zero tax dollars. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 449
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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If $11,700 seems like a lot of money to mb, what does he think $250,000 of non-consensual, taxpayer money?
Chopped liver?
jd |
peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1934
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Does *anyone* have an idea what the SID might cost a typical business (or larger vs smaller business)?
Are we talking $500 or $5000+ annually?
/p
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michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 237
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:34 am: |
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Dave not everything is about tax dollars. At some point in every conversation about South Orange it always seems to turn to the condition of the town. I find this on MOL and even in personal conversation with friends and neighbors. The condition of the town is a very large issue with many residents and obviously businesses. I believe if you have a job to do, do it right and do it to the best of your ability. I am also personally concerned about the conditions of the town. So when I see organizations that are supposed to be part of the solution and seem not to be it upsets me. Tax dollars being used or not. In order for a town the small size of ours to flourish every business owner needs to be part of the solution and moving in a positive direction. I do not see that. Something as small as the COC keeping their web site up to date I think is extremely important. And when you think how little effort this takes to do, it makes one wonder. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 238
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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Joel try to stay focused here. Start another thread dealing with the spending of our tax dollars. $250,000 is chopped liver compared to the amount of money the town spends. I love chopped liver by the way and would never consider spending $250,000 for it. |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3875
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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Dave: To clarify, I know it might sound as if I have some personal "history" with the fiery Ms. Harris, but not so. She's just so out there... I'd wager that SOMACOM viewers (most of whom, BTW, probably don't give a rat's patoot about SIDs) have been both instructed and vaguely offput by her distinctive style of verbal give&take at BOT and Planning Mtgs...
I do happen to have a good memory, though, Dave, so it's definitely possible that some of my seemingly irreverant, maybe-borderline disrespectful snarks in her direction have been triggered by quiet observations I've made of her performances in the public domain from days gone by. Ah, the old days...
But Seriously, Dave: Why don't YOU appoint a group of "SID Directors In Exile" here on MOL, have them get fully up to speed on all the ins&outs of the ongoing Redevelopment Circus, and then all convene regularly on a thread here in S.O. Specific, so they can tell the rest of us common folk what the hell has Elaine's knickers in a twist this week... With the proviso that none of the directors you appoint own or operate businesses within the SID district...
A true public service.
So Elaine, if you're reading this, don't worry, I've got yer back. And you can take it from me, Kiddo: I've been watching, and I can see that you've been going for the "Katherine Harris" thing; well, you're almost there, but you're running a bit behind on the "deceptively sweet & nice" points. Everything else is dead on, though, you're practically golden! Now, if you'd just give Joel Dranove a few coaching sessions and a follicular referral...
-s. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9353
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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Why shouldn't there be business representation on the SID board from members in the alleged SID? There is in every other SID I know. Newark, Bloomfield, Maplewood, etc. etc. That's called taxation with representation. The business owners' buy-in is important in all other SIDs except South Orange. Here, the loonies think they know what's best for business. Ad Hoc government. No planning. No input. Just buy contaminated land with our money, knock stuff down and walk away. That's what we have.
Quote:At some point in every conversation about South Orange it always seems to turn to the condition of the town.
Check the title of the thread. |
michael brant
Citizen
Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 240
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Noted Dave. I apologize. I will start a thread. |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 23041
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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I think S.O.D.A. needs a week off to go "snark" with the Orifice of MOL in 'buca. I don't think parkingsux's comments were any worse than S.O.D.A.'s hurtful comments about an upstanding member of our community who has put a lot on the line over the years. What's S.O.D.A. ever done, besides use his copious free (unemployed) time thinking up cruel and barbed remarks?
It disgusts me. |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3877
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 7:57 am: |
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Bets, Bets, Bets. How often do I need to remind you that there are no periods in "Soda"? I certainly have no objection to your using a period in the abbreviation ("S."), but if you insist upon using my full handle (or The Oracle's new home town) in your posts, at least spell them correctly. Doing otherwise simply confuses things, and may leave folks with the impression that you have spelling issues. And we don't want that, do we? So please try to remember next time, OK? Thankey.
-S.
BTW: I'm relatively certain that nearly every one of the folks I occasionally poke fun at is disgusted now and then, so you're in good company. Let's see, I don't maintain a complete list, but off the top of my head...
Joel Dranove/DWM
Elaine Harris
Marie
Michael
Sean Flood
ajc
mem
librarylady
Mayor McCheese
scrotusloknows
parkingsux
you
myself...
Maybe you can think of some more. Anyhow, have a nice day, and stay positive. You'll be feeling better in no time!
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4021
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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Did you hear that schools have banned SODA? I think banning SODA is a great idea.
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Lucy
Supporter
Username: Lucy
Post Number: 3624
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3879
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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Omigod. How could I have forgotten?: Pizzaz!!!
Sorry, Bets.
-S. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3578
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:31 pm: |
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put the lime in the cocoanut.....
....and the wussy puss will usher along.
I'm sure glad I don't have contact with this guy in person. What a fetid flake....
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Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3881
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:43 pm: |
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This is just such fun. It brings out the best in everyone, don't you think?
-s. |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 358
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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tete a tete is right about one thing, the best solution for SO is to merge with Maplewood and have a DRMC. The expense of duplicated services in the two towns is enormous, especially given the waste of public funds in SO. So many, many expenses are unnecessary. For example, both towns could be managed better and have more professional staff with one administrator, fire department and police departments. Maplewood and SO are not that large. Pooling resources makes sense, especially given the school system.
Michael Brant, your obsession with the COC is odd given that you are not a member of it. It is a membership organization which means that members are the only relevant judge of its services. The amount of time and effort you are expending to defame it will hardly attract people to your disinformation campaign. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 453
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 2:23 pm: |
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MB: There is overlap, and some chopped liver is priceless.
jd |
buddybak
Citizen
Username: Buddybak
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 3:24 pm: |
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Pizzaz: your comments are right on |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 23066
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 2:07 am: |
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S.O.D.A.*
^ Some.Outrageous.Dumb.••• should not be a favored presence on Maplewood/South Orange Online.
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Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3884
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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Gee, bets, I'm quite touched that you were thinking about me at 2 in the morning. Actually, I was fast asleep long before that hour, but I did wake up about then with a respectable case of heartburn, which I figured was a result of the evening's Cinco De Mayo activities. But the clever, almost incantational sound of your post above makes me wonder if maybe you were busy putting some sort of Wiccan hex on me...
Of course, I just rolled over and ignored it (which is pretty much what I usually do in response to all your posts), and I feel just fine now, so whatever you were up to at 2AM, I hope you had fun. And so, I wish you a belated "Feliz Cinco de Mayo"!
-s.
...also, Happy Halloween. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3585
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 1:58 pm: |
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nice spending time with you last night at Bunoirs, bets. love ya..... |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 23070
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 8:57 pm: |
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Right back at you, Pizzaz |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4043
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:18 pm: |
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Back to the subject of SID - I notice the video for the Committee Meeting discussing the SID is on the Village website: http://192.216.20.14/Misc/SID04242006.wmv
I am first watching it now & may comment later.
As I understand it, the NEXT meeting on the subject is next Wednesday (May 17) |
Smarty Pants
Citizen
Username: Smartypants
Post Number: 9
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:31 pm: |
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Anyone interested in learning about SIDs and what they do, might want to attend Downtown New Jersey's Annual Conference in Cranford on June 8th. Here's the link to the brochure:
http://downtownnj.com/ConferenceBrochure04.6.pdf
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4076
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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I believe there is a follow-up meeting on the SID tonight at 7pm in Village Hall. |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 370
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 20, 2006 - 1:00 am: |
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What happened, anyone? |
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