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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 587
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 9:37 am: | 
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She can always come to Town and see TAU or the Tar Pits or use the Transit we are a Transit Village!
From a NYTimes article:
"When Amanda Early, a junior at Seton Hall University in South Orange, N.J., accepted a four-day-a-week summer job in public relations near the campus, she did not realize it would amount to a sentence of spending an entire summer in New Jersey. Ms. Early had planned to drive home to Connecticut every weekend, but she said gas prices would force her to remain in New Jersey in the house she shares with four other girls.
"This is a college town," Ms. Early said, "and it is nowhere near as much fun in the summer."" |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 782
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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Ugh. Take some classes. SHU...ugh |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4863
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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It's nice that South Orange got some publicity; but how is this any different then any young person who moves to a new community for a job? I think it's tougher for them then someone who at least has a tie to a college where they at least have some friends. It's even harder for people over the age of 30. A friend of mine moved to Nowhereville South Carolina a few years ago when Verizon did some job shuffling. Another friend moved to Amsterdam, NY where she knew nobody after grad school. |
michael brant
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Username: Mbrant
Post Number: 222
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Is Montclair considered to be a college town? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1252
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
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SHU is located in South Orange, but I would never call SO a "college town." SHU is really a suitcase school.
JTA, I don't think this is nice plubicity at all. The way I read it, she is trying to escape from South Orange, but can't. And she seems to be pretty upset that she can't get out of here.
Glock, thanks for the input, insightful as always. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4866
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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Mc Cheesey-
I agree it wasn't nice as in 'nice nice.' It was more sarcastic. And how come it took her until her Junior year to realize SHU is a suitcase school? |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 786
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 2:00 pm: |
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Get a job. Pay for gas. Go to the shore, great adventure, the city. Why would one want to leave Jersey to go to Conneticut anyway?
Speaking of the shore...can't wait till I can order this new skimboard...oh yeah |
Steve Hickson
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Username: Shickson
Post Number: 4
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 8:22 am: |
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Memo to Amanda Early: If spending the summer in South Orange is too painful, how about getting a job in Connecticut?
Am I missing something here? |
Irvington Pirate
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Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 73
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 11:21 pm: |
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Steve maybe Amanda is a student who is not only working but also taking summer classes. I do agree however that South Orange is NOT a college town. There are a number of people, JTA and Glock are good examples, who for whatever reason resent the university. Thing is the university has been around long before any of us were ever born and will be around a hell of a lot longer than any of us will live. The Village has much bigger problems than Seton Hall. The Village also doesn't take advantage of all Seton Hall has to offer.
SHU is not a suitcase school, that was a long time ago but not anymore. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1356
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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I think maybe we mean different things by suitcase school. SHU does provide housing. However, most students do not live on campus or in town. In addition, those who do live here, only do so on the weekdays. I would easily say that the majority of students who live here leave on the weekends. |
Lucy Smith
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Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 138
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 2:46 pm: |
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When I was a student at SHU (1997-2001) (which was not that "long time ago" you were referring to Irvington Pirate) it most definitely WAS a suitcase school...only about 1/4 of the student population lived on campus and those who did live on campus left EVERY weekend for home in bklyn, long island, other cities in jersey. In my dorm for example there were FIVE people out of about 75 that were there on the weekend. SHU is an absolute GHOST TOWN starting Thursday night (for those that don't have Friday classes there is mass exodus Thursday night as well). This is major reason why shu has trouble keeping students from out of state at the school-you really have to learn to be your own best friend for those lonely weekends-cafeteria was 99% closed, library closed at 5pm (i understand that has changed now tho???), usually you are the only one on your FLOOR in your dorm...not for the weak of heart 
SHU is definitely a suitcase school and anyone who says otherwise is DELUSIONAL |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 858
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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WHOA WHOA all that stuff closed? That's ridiculous...regardless of usage...a school should keep services like that open for those who need them. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1359
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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I believe that they are open, just cut back. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 859
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
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well that helps to explain some of the trouble with out of state students. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1360
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:38 pm: |
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What trouble are you talking about? |
Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 139
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:59 pm: |
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I believe Glock is referring to the trouble of getting/keeping out of state students to come to SHU...i was a student ambassador while a student at SHU (i gave the tours to the prospective students) and the higher ups loved having me be a tour guide because i represented one of .000000002% of out of state students (not including NY state-they all go home on the weekends too). they thought i could convince out of staters to come to SHU...but they also soon found out that i would not sugar coat the bleak situation on the weekends that i faced for 4 years. I was not willing to sugar coat it so some joe schmoe from kentucky could spend $30K a year to hunt me down all 4+ years he is there and blame me for his weekends alone on his floor in his dorm.
SHU is really trying to get the out of state numbers up but they really do not accomodate us at all-which is why many go elsewhere. the main issue is that the university does not promote any activities on weekends so most students have the "why should i stay around this boring place" attitude.
mayor-you are correct-they are not closed just very very cut back-and if you didn't get your dinner by 5pm you were screwed cuz the cafeteria was locked up. and with no car and most places don't deliver for orders under a certain $$ amount you really had no way of getting food (i sure wasn't going to be walking to the village at night by myself- a 5ft tall tiny girl).
it truly is a shame because i had a great time living on campus (i had a completely different college experience than those SHU alums who commuted or lived the suitcase lifestyle on weekends-i became extremely close with those who stayed on weekends and we made our own fun that the university did not even attempt to provide). |
Hamandeggs
Citizen
Username: Hamandeggs
Post Number: 285
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 6:15 pm: |
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Well, couldn't you have made that point when you were giving tours? You write that it was bleak, but you also had a great time. I think that's worth talking about to prospective students.
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Lucy Smith
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Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 140
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 6:47 pm: |
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And I did make that point-which I thought was clear in my previous post-my apologies that it was not.
I definitely let them know the situation as it was factually and followed up with my experiences (i.e. make the best of it, small get togethers in fellow weekenders rooms, etc.). I made sure to tell it like it was because when I went on my tour I was misled to believe it was something that it wasn't...I very easily could have been ticked off and transferred...but I decided to make the best of it and I'm very glad that I did.
I had a great time after I got used to it and made friends with my fellow weekenders...but those first few months when you don't know anyone that well(as an outsider-aka "out of stater"-it can be difficult those first few months since A LOT of people already have their friends from high school at school with them). And it's definitely not for those who can't stand being alone with their thoughts...it can be very lonely and even a little scary (like living in a ghost town).
I am a proud SHU alum and feel you get out of SHU what you put into it (as with anything in life). I studied my *** off and got a great education and made my own fun with my group of friends in spite of the situation that presented itself on campus every Friday I was there...I think SHU gets a bad rap a lot of the time on this board and in general (out it's league in everything from education to sports) but I found it to be quite the opposite since I didn't come into it with a lot of preconceived notions |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4963
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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IP-
I don't resent SH. I even went there. It's doubtful Amanda is taking a class. She didn't mention one in the article at least. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4964
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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IP
Of course SH is a suitcase school. Or one that students from the area tend to go to. Those living on campus aren't even allowed to stay in the dorms over break! (With VERY few exceptions that is). |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1364
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 12:07 am: |
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JTA, unless there are special circumstances, almost no schools let people stay over breaks. The ones that do charge rates that are often higher than local area hotels.
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4967
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 12:41 am: |
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Two of my nieces live on the campus' of the schools they attend. They don't have to vacate over breaks. Same with several of my younger cousins. I know people who go to Kean, Rutgers, Montclair State, James Madison, William Paterson, Stockton, NYU, Quinappauc (sp)to name a few who stay over breaks. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1366
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:08 am: |
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I only know that the two schools I have attend kicked people out during breaks. I have never know any of my friends to be able to stay over breaks at their colleges. I can also say that the only school that I have ever heard of people being allowed to stay at during breaks was Lafayette, and a daily charge was placed on the room.
I would double check on these JTA, I have a strong feeling that you are not correct in your assumptions. Most places actually fine you for not being out by a certain time.
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marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 124
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:13 am: |
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lucy smith uses too many parentheses (did i spell parentheses right?).why is conn. always blue on a map? summers around here may be slow, but your 30 mins. from nyc, 2 hours from a.c. and 3 hours (driving fast) from d.c. the bronx zoo,space farms and bow craft are also available. i would be more than willing to take bored shu students to waterloo village or the intrepid. permission slips must be signed by a parent (or legal guardian and/or guardian angel)*.
meet in front of roberts shoes on june 23rd for a walking tour of "summer in south orange,a brief history" to be picked up by jitney lite rail(a small fee will go towards beer,juinor mints,pop rocks and soda).
*curtis sliwa signature not valid |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 867
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:16 am: |
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They have to vacate at Rowan, barring sports teams. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1368
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:19 am: |
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That sounds wonderful. Bowcraft? Who could say that life here was boring after a trip to bowcraft?
Also, I think that you used more parentheses than lucy did in only half the space. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4971
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:21 am: |
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Mayor
I know for a fact my cousin doesn't go home over all his breaks and the same for a friend's kid from Maplewood. They happen to go to the same school in CT. I also know for a fact Kean doesn't force the students to leave for breaks. Except the Summer. Maybe it's because the dorms are not your 'typical dorms?'
Some are on campus apartments / dorms. They have two bedroodms a shared bath a living room kitchen in each unit. Each floor of ten has an RA. Maybe that's the difference? I'll IM my friend's kid or one of the cousins the next time I see one of them online to make sure. I know where my niece goes to school, James Madison in VA, all Freshman are required to live on campus. I also know for one of the breaks she didn't feel like coming home, so she didn't. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:21 am: |
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I have heard that at Rowan people dress all in black but wear green lipstick. Is there any truth to this? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1370
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:22 am: |
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JTA, your niece is very lucky. I have never heard of that. |
marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 126
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:32 am: |
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does shu reserve the right to tell students when they can stay and leave b/c they are a catholic university? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1374
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:36 am: |
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I think that is it. I think that has everything to do with it. Catholics are always coming up with silly rules. I have heard that Catholic universities also "jump you in" when you arrive, much like gangs do. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 868
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:36 am: |
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No that is not true, Mayor.
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:39 am: |
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Oh, OK, I was just checking. Good to know for the future. |
marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 128
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:43 am: |
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since i fear pain could i choose to be "sexed in"? |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1377
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 1:44 am: |
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I don't think a catholic university would like you to use the word sex. They choose to ignore it. That way it goes away. |
Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 691
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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SHU provides housing for students whenever they need they. Designated Residence Halls are open for all the Breaks and all services (well the important ones) are open such as the public safety, the caf. etc.) So no, SHU never kicks anyone out. As far as summer, anyone can purchase summer housing as long as (a) you are taking classes (b) you are a work study for SHU
SHU was a suitcase school for quite sometime but it is attracting more out of state students which is why the school needed to purchase Turrell Manor. The Weekend Warriors program is designed so that there are activities going on during the weekends and it has been quite successful.
The numbers will show that there are a lot more students staying on campus during the weekends since the '90s. I have to travel a lot on weekends but when I was there, it was always a lot of fun. |
Lucy Smith
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Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 143
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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Sheena: by "designated residence halls" does that still mean what it used to mean-that I had to move to a different dorm to stay on campus? Because I was not allowed to stay in my own room since my dorm closed and would have to move to someone else's room during the break...
Can you provide the new numbers for out of state students? I'd be interested in seeing them.
Do they keep the cafeteria open regular hours now on the weekends? I know you or someone else from SHU had mentioned on another thread that the library now has extended hours? That is good news.
Glad to hear it seems to be changing but I'd still like to see the numbers to believe it-because when I drive/walk by it still looks the same to me as it did way back in the 90s when I was there (only 5 years ago). (There are the parentheses for you marion )))))))))
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