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Cali6buff
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 1:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

JJ: They didn't just slap paint, they repaired walls that were crumbling, added more accents, and fixed ceilings. I don't know what you expect of a train station but I think stained glass and a Monet might be a little overboard.

I have not made it to a meeting yet, but I do watch them so I know what's being done or not done. There was an English woman who gave a very heartfelt speech to the board about the state of the town a month ago.

She was passionate, truthful, and respectful. And in the end, I believed her, and she inspired me.
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SOMets Fan
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 1:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Preach on, Cali6buff!

My family is new to South Orange, and while we very much love that people have a place to post, SO MANY of the posts are filled with negativity and whining.
There are many ways to be civilly disobedient: flyers around town, BOT Meetings, petitions... if someone is serious about change, this Board should be the first step. Not the last.
Thanks people! For all the really bad, there seems to be a rather nice future here...

“The road to positivity is strewn with the abandoned vehicles of the faint-hearted.”
-- Peter McWilliams
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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Regarding the thread title, "Is there anything good to say?"

I guess I have my answer. Come on Cali, let's go to Virtual Cafe.

J.B.
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Spitz
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Frederick - In another thread, you said that you were moving back to Maplewood and that you had seen some posts about a possible merger of South Orange and Maplewood. You went on to say that they are entirely different communities and you hope they don't merge. How are they different, and why wouldn't you want them to merge?
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I truly believe that the handful of hateful, venomous posters have no idea how they are coming across to others who read this board. If that is NOT how they want to appear, they better change their posting language fast. Oftentimes, I want to agree with one or the other of them, but the vitriol and nastiness (witness Elaine Harris) makes it impossible.
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Spitz
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Noodle - I have spoken out on the visciousness and nastiness on the South Orange Specific thread in the past. As a matter of fact, I had stopped posting for that reason. I started posting again when I felt I had an obligation to correct some things that had been said, as well as to try to be informative in what I had hoped would be an objective style. I do agree with those who have been turned off by the extreme nastiness that appears on this board. On the other hand, I think there are posters who try to put forth their views in a constructive manner. I would like to think that I'm one of them.

Edited to add: I actually had stopped posting recently. As far as the original question asked by JB, there is a lot I could say about what's good about SO, going back to the first time I visited SO in 1964 when I was dating my now wife. In the meantime, I'm going fishing.
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's only a handful Spitz, but they sour the whole thread. Those who have legitimate gripes (and Lordy, there are many) are overwhelmed by the character of that small group of malcontents. The town (and its gov't) are nowhere near perfect, but could every single thing be so horrendous?
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L.L. Slobovitch
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wish we had mavens who knew how to spell. This is a thread about what's good and now fsm comes in to post the above. Boy, some people are such ignoramuses. You are so predictable and mindless in your posts.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 2:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Spitz, I liked the idea of the merge (or really, the re-merge) when I heard of it a year ago. The South Orange Specific section of MOL has me thinking it wouldn't be a good thing for Maplewood, just because of the government and the development. I've lived in Maplewood for a little less than three years, and I've seen a lot of improvement. I've also liked all of the people who have been on the TC since I've been here, and I've even liked the people who ran and lost. The little I know of South Orange's BOT is from gossip, such as the stuff I read here. And that may not be sufficient, but it's all I have. But I have to add that Mark Rosner seems like a class act.
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susan1014
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cali6buff,

My apologies for offending you with my tone. You showed up on this board, and in one of your earliest posts, took an "antagonistic, and a bit condescending" tone to those of us who care deeply about this town and choose to debate its issues here. Your attidude to this board seems "more interested in tearing down, then building up". Thus my tone in return.

But I'm trying to be polite online, so my sincere apologies for not managing to filter out that tone. I am still interested in your suggestions about how to make this board both inspiring and a place for impassioned discussion among those who love this town and are concerned about its state.
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Dave
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Isn't calling someone hateful and venomous also hateful and venomous?
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Cali6buff
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I really don't think I was any of those things. And I didn't start this thread. And you replied to "Everyone's heart is in the right place. There is no arguing that."

That being said, let's move on.
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L.L. Slobovitch
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

quack, quack.....
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's see Dave, calling Bin Laden (didn't use Hitler) "hateful and venomous?" would be hateful and venomous? I think not, it would be accurate.
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Spitz
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matt Foley and Monster make me laugh.
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Mary32
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 4:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you try to look beyond the behavior of all those very few malcontents who pollute the South Orange Specific topic, you will probably see a few loners, sitting behind their computer screens, protected - like myself - by their anonymity, clicking away their venom to anything and anybody, and talking mainly to themselves. You will not see them in any volunteer group, or social circles, or community events; they are too busy - often posting at 3 o'clock in the morning - badmouthing everything that happens in South Orange. They are condemning the government, but they still stay behind their computers instead of getting out there and campaigning for replacements. Fortunately there are only a handful of them, but unfortunately enough to paint a gloomy picture of the beautiful community of people we live in.

Seen from that perspective, their delirium may be better understood. I suggest that Dave creates a new topic - outside the "South Orange Specific" - and call it "What is Wrong with the South Orange Government?" Then let those malcontents have a heyday.

Oh how do I miss the old days on MOL when posters like doublea, nwyave, brian o'leary, mrosner, ericdevaris, dshelffo, patrickjoyce, woodstock, scollins, quipped at each other in an intelligent and civil manner, exchanging valuable information on taxes, pilots, reval, budget, and governmental failures. Reading them was educational. To paraphrase trustee Jennings, the demographics on MOL's South Orange Specific threads have indeed changed: there is a breed of newcomers here, quite different from the decent posters of the past few years.

Do I have anything good to say?. Only this: yes, we have those 10 malcontents who all they can do is bitch all day and night long and show off their literary and - yes sometimes - poetic (!) inaptitude on MOL, but we also have hundreds of other malcontents out there who are doing something about changing our future for the better through their actions. They keep my hopes high up.

Mary
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Dave
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 5:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The good old days, like the Maplewood reval days?
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Glock 17
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

South Orange has raised one of the finest young men this world has ever seen.

Ahem, yours truly...(if you didn't get that)
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jayjay
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 5:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mr. Rosner-
I did not say that nothing was done to the train station. Rather that a restoration was promised and that has not happened. When the Village agreed to sell the land to NJ Trainsit for a parking lot, shouldn't we have gotten from them what they "promised"? What about contracts which spell out these things and impose on BOTH parties obligations? I suspect we will never see a real restoration. Let's not confuse maintenance with restoration.

As for your efforts, I applaud what you have tried to do, and appreciate that you take the time to respond on the board. But where are your peers up there on the Board?
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Lizziecat
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 6:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mary,

Your posts are more vitriolic than any others that I've read on this board.
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Kitchenguru
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 7:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Just read the boards of the other towns and compare it to ours,then just imagine you are a prospective homeowner or business owner getting a "feel"
for the area.
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bettyd
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 7:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cali6buff: Welcome to S.O. I moved here as a child in 1965, and know it pretty well. I attended kindergarten through HS here, then left for college and grad school. But my parents were here into 2005. Lived in Hoboken for a while and moved back. You've picked a great town. There are many talented, creative and interesting people in the town; they are its greatest asset. A lot of diverse people who are not just interested in making money but making a difference. I'm always amazed at the people I've met and continue to meet. In my immediate neighborhood there is an actor of some notoriety (TV and film), a sportswriter, a neurosurgeon, a Sesame Street producer, a Wall Street exec, a schoolteacher, a studio musician, a well known attorney, and others.

I also love the diverstiy of home styles and architecture in town: tudors, colonials, victorians, modern ranches on the hill.

I've posted some negative things on this board about the town, but nothing of any magnitude. I think a lot of New Yorkers/urbanites have moved here in the last 10-15 years and, as a result, the town has become more urban and less suburban in my opinion. You may like that, as many others on this board do. I personally don't but I know things can't stay the same.

The town government has mismanaged but that can be cured via the democratic process.
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Kitchenguru
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 9:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Even the threads on the South Orange boards which start out positive end up bashing the town government or something about the town(ie SOPAC Thoughts). If these people are doing anything to change things,I want to know what it is. This is public domain, we are not in each other's living rooms. This all starts to sound really ridiculous, pointless and counterproductive. Let's publish the opportunities, when they become available to create positive momentum--just the facts. Whatever happened to common decency and respect?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 9:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Respect went out the window when the Star-Ledger confirmed we're dealing with a group of liars who can't tell the truth about anything.

Respect went over the hill when we learned Calabrese has cut secret deals with developers and landowners in town.

Respect when into a muddy pit when the blunders of Gross and Matthews and Hartwyck defaced the village with eyesoars of incompetence.

Respect died when Theroux defended nepotism in a national publication. Respect rolled over in the grave when Steglitz told people to stop ordering lattes because taxes had to go higher.

So who gets respect? Mark Rosner and Eric DeVaris.

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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 9:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I hope you feel better Dave. I won't waste any more of my time responding or even reading any more of these posts.
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Dave
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just can't cheerlead at the moment. I don't think it helps to pretend things are heading in the right direction in town and it bothers me. I like South Orange too much to sit quietly and let more mindless decisions hurt local businesses and people in town. It's because people care that they speak out rather than watch television.
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susan1014
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, those of you who want a Stepford website, where everything seems pretty and all ugliness is hidden beneath the surface, can go start a competing board. The rest of us will continue to discuss what is lovely here, as well as what needs fixing.

Do I agree with the tone or content of every poster here? No -- some are more nasty or negative than I'm comfortable with. Others are eager to ignore what is wrong in order to look good for the neighbors, and just hope that the problems fix themselves.

I try to hit a middle ground, combining hard-hitting discussion of the issues with reasonable civility, sometimes with less than perfect success. The longer I live here, the more I love the town and and the more I distrust some of those who run it (after a few years of happy ignorance before I started following local news so closely).

Our moderators have chosen to create a place where debate is allowed, as long as it doesn't get too personally ugly. I know of very few towns that have message boards similar to MOL -- most seem to either die of boredome or of uncontrolled ugliness.
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michael brant
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave you and I are on the same page!!! ". I like South Orange too much to sit quietly and let more mindless decisions hurt local businesses and people in town."
Here is another decision that once helped local businesses and I understand was changed.
I understand that the Farmers market was once stationed in the center of the town.....drawing many people. I hear it is now located by the duck pond....moving people out of the town. Not a productive move to help increase customer flow in the town.
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

michael - the Farmer's Market was moved because of the SOPAC construction. I believe the intent is to bring it back into town once construction is completed.
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think it would fit nicely under the train station. Empty spot and covered in bad weather. Makes sense to me.
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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I asked is there anything good?" Not, "Is everything good."

I'm not blind to the negative because I'm looking for positive.

Can the negative posters say they're not blind to the positive?

That WAS the topic of this thread.
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Dave
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 1:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Beautiful weather.
Nice parks and the upkeep on the parks is great.
Bunnys.
2 train stations.
Farmers Market.
Free concert tomorrow.
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Dave
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 2:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

(correction: Free South Orange Symphony concert SATURDAY)
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Spitz
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The residential areas are probably some of the most beautiful I've seen anywhere. Particularly at this time of the year when the azaleas and rhodies are out (well, not my house - the deer got them.) From the time I first visited SO in 1964 and all the years we used to visit until we moved into my wife's parents house in 1997, I always felt that SO was just breathtaking. With all the newcomers moving into SO and all the renovation and remodelling, SO has become even more beautiful.

And Glock - I meant to add you to the people who make me laugh post after your post in the Foley melon thread. (Well, at least sometimes).

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There are so many things I am grateful for living in South Orange. Our kids get to see deer (aaagh) rabbits, groundhogs, chipmunks, wild turkeys(!) etc, all things that other children only get to see on TV, we can walk around and look at the beautiful gardens that as Spitz says, are really coming into their own now. We can hear birdsong, something that more urban areas have all but had silenced. I walk into the stores in town and people know me and greet me with "hello again" and a smile. My Husband has a relatively trouble free journey from here into Manhattan. We have wonderful neighbours and friends in town, all of whom would be there at the drop of a hat should someone they know need their help (MOL is proof of that...). We have architecture all over that shows flair and grace, and reminds us that although we are forward thinking, there are parts of the past that are worth preserving. For all of this I am grateful. For all of this and more, our family intended staying here for a long time to come. For all of this I will do whatever I can to make sure that this town stays a special place, and becomes the town that we all know it can be.

Yes, there are changes that need to be made, and hopefully with work they will be made, but in the meantime I look around me and thank my lucky stars that I live in South Orange rather than a concrete jungle with no heart.
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Glock 17
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 3:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For all of it's shortcomings...I'd have to say I was very happy to grow up in South Orange. S-O S-O w00p w00p!!

Minus the Seton Hall kids fighting with broken bottles, their drunken 1-3am walks home, and other assorted events
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bettyd
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I agree this time (May) is probably the most beautiful in SO. I love walking through the park when the grass is such a vibrant green and everything is in bloom.
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Nancy - LibraryLady
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 4:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love the spring here, but I disagree with Betty. The fall is fabulous, the colors spectacular.
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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks, to all recent posters. I'm not a Polly Anna, ALWAYS saying positive things in the face of tragedy. But, I'm also not a Cassandra. (My second Greek Myths reference this week. No, I'm not studying them. They just keep coming to mind.)

We just needed ONE thread of celebration. At least that's what I thought.

Again, thanks to the other positive thinkers. South Orange is like a giant Central Park. Green and floral, with sirens and urbanity just a few blocks away. Or a train ride away, if you want Broadway.

J.B.
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Spitz
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where's Monster?
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Lets all go to the fair on Saturday to say hello to SODA (didn't he say he was going to be at a table) I've always wanted to meet SODA (maybe I already have), I for one rather enjoy reading posts that others may not.
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love South Orange; always have and always will. I didn't read through the entire thread, but I adore the parks, proximity to the reservation, the beautiful houses, and (most) of the people. It's a great place to be - I just hope I can afford to remain.
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I think it is good when people say " the check is in the mail"
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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Are you worried about the price of wine at Bunny's?

I wouldn't.

J.B,
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Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, JB, I'm worried because I live in the redevelopment zone.
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bettyd
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Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 9:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Nancy-I agree, fall is beautiful also. Let's call it a tie between May and October.
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Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry I disappeared my positive friends. Right now, I'm loving my walk to the train. Sneezing aside, it's a great way to start the day.
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Jersey Boy
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Post Number: 716
Registered: 1-2006


Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 8:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't forget Winter. All of the holiday lights. The New Year luminaria.

J.B.
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Fitzhume
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Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jersey Boy-- Thank you for starting this post. It's exactly what I have wanted to say for a long time. Like everyone, I am concerned about the problems in South Orange (the vacant businesses, the waste of my tax money on a stupid (and ugly) sculpture)-- but for the most part, I really love this town. I grew up here and just recently moved back after 10 years in Manhattan. Luckily I didn't read MOL until after I moved back, because the impression that you get from this website is that the town is a horrible wasteland on the verge of total destruction and over-run by thugs and corruption. If I had not known the community beforehand, and I got my info from here, i probably would not have moved. Is there any way to address the problems in South Orange without everyone being so nasty and negative about everything? Despite what one might think from reading this site… I am very happy that I moved my family back here.
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What about summer?? I hear the pool is the greatest $15 bargain in creation!
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Jersey Boy
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Post Number: 730
Registered: 1-2006


Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 1:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes, and now with improved food! Just don't swim for an hour after...

J.B.
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bets
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Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 9:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That is good news. I love Freeman's and hope to take full advantage of my badge this summer.
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Sonk
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Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 4:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love the hell out of south orange its a lot better than my old hood. the only problem i have is that its just gettin so expensive to live here like in all the plans its luxury this and gourmet this and redevelopement of that. and south orange ave looks so bad. Man south orange is looking good maybe not to some people's likeing but i been in S.O. since summer of 97 and visually i love it cant say the same for the politics though. South Orange is a very nice town i just hope it doesnt lose its uniqueness by becoming another livingston or milburn;another bland wealthy town in the hills that dont really stand out and nobody really cares about(atleast i dont). much love to middle class!
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Shanabana
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Post Number: 378
Registered: 10-2005


Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 4:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm glad Jersey Boy posted this!

I LOVE SOUTH ORANGE. I'm a kinda recent New York transplant, originally for from nothern California (East Bay). I finally feel at home here on the east coast since moving here. We have:

Urban/suburban feel.
Really good level of diversity.
CUTE downtown (not the cutest, admittedly, but cute nonetheless).
People you can really talk to.
A population that wants to get out and vote to change things (witness recent Board of Ed)
Glad to see there IS work being done on the Train Station, which is going really well in my book.
SOPAC, which seems to be going up at a reasonable clip!
I'm fascinated by the lively controversey surrounding the Tony Smith sculpture--if he were here to witness it, I'm sure he'd not be surprised.
A "sister" village that's pretty damned cool. (I forgive them for thinking they they're the center of the universe.)
Pretty schools for my children to attend, with very good scholastics.
Georgeous nighttime views of gaslights.
A Jitney service (which I don't have to use cause I can walk to the train)
Great pool at an excellent price.
(I hate to say it) A Starbucks.
And, great potential.

Cali6buff: I hope you're not too put-off by posters whose objectives seem to be to find another happy camper to rain on. It can get very snide on MOL to say the least. But, it does seem to be a pretty small population of constant complainers. It's funny how much they're complaining about this thread.
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Spitz
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Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whatever happened with your hemlock?
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Shanabana
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Username: Shanabana

Post Number: 379
Registered: 10-2005


Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 9:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Spitz, you talkin' to me?? I posted about a hemlock ages ago! It is still there, very very tall and still dying. I'm trying to discern if the young trees beneath it are hemlocks. They should be, given their location, though they're not symmetrical and don't have the hangy down things that the big guy does. It's very sad. Only the top survives. Still I like the look of it very much as it's above the big maples. I love evergreens.

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