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LW
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Username: Lrw
Post Number: 127
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 10:53 am: | 
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I heard a long time ago from friends of the Bunny's owners daughter that her family, or her dad in particular, was a bigot. So, while those comments may disappoint me, it unfortunately doesn't surprise me.
JTA-I can't exactly recall what homicides occurred in 1989 or the early '90s, but I do remember a couple of the homicides being published in the Star-Ledger and News-Records. So I wouldn't exactly say that they were swept under the rug.
And if anyone has an issue with the barbershop being open so late, (although it is totally irrelevant to this latest tragedy) you may try speaking with the owners of the pizzeria. They were, and I believe still are, the landlords of the entire 319 building. And if they still are the landlords, I guess they can't exactly ask the patrons, or renter of the shop to close at a "decent" hour, while they remain open to the public at odd hours themselves. |
phd6786
Citizen
Username: Phd6786
Post Number: 15
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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Pizzaz,
Why is it that whenever you open you mouth you put your foot in it? |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3413
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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Somehow I am anti-Catholic to Pizzaz because I question the Church and SHU on their attitude on choice and homosexuality, yet he is not racist when he posts about "afro hair salons" and kissing his white •••.
Certain posters get a free ride from the moderators and others do not. It's their playground and they can allow anytone they want to play in it. But maybe the title "moderator" should be changed. |
Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3607
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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You two are so... so...
I didn't think you would understand. But if the language and points of concern are raised by black trustees out of context to the official business at hand than god forbid we take offense and notice.
If I recall you supported the two ladies for office. Fine job their doing..... I think one is doing so well she's ready for a promotion.
BTW: The day waiter is Justin. His skin color is black. He has referred to me in the past as his father figure. He lives in my house and I provide for him. So much for an open mind and dialogue. 
Well, so much for not posting again in this thread....
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lizzyr
Citizen
Username: Lizzyr
Post Number: 240
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:27 am: |
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are the Seton Hall dorm fire deaths included in the homicide stats? |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 94
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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Pizzaz you are outrageous....so are you now going to say some of my best friends are black? |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4943
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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IP
Glock will tell you he goes to a better college then SH... |
mjh
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Username: Mjh
Post Number: 511
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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I'm with you Nancy. |
phd6786
Citizen
Username: Phd6786
Post Number: 17
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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Pizzaz, your bigotry comes across every statement you make. Be it religion or race your intolerance comes out clearly. And then you apologize to those whom you have offended. FYI your bigotry is offending to most of Americans who try to heal our wounds of the past.
If trustees Stacey Jennings and Terriann Moore-Abrams came to the BOT to promote their racist agenda, it doesn't make right for you to be a bigot.
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Username: Noodlyappendage
Post Number: 108
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:07 pm: |
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Pizzaz, Which two where you refering two?
PHF< MHJ< LL<Jeep<FSM<LW<Deidre............ |
Deidra
Citizen
Username: Deidralynn
Post Number: 563
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
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Pizzaz,
Good for you, and you're talking about your PAID EMPLOYEE like a charity case. Someone you have control over. "His skin color is black"....what is that about? That is exactly what I'm talking about....SKIN COLOR! All you see is color. So are so conflicted. You take in a Black man but you make comments of bigotry on a community message board. Well, the color you will not see from people I talk to will be GREEN!!!!!!!!!
...and by the way, I live in Maplewood and didn't vote in your election. Yes I did support them and have pride that people put them in office to help certain Villagers come out of their little comfort zones to deal with two courageous African American ladies - who come to the table with educational and professional strengths that makes some uncomfortable.
So leave the thread and don't come back. Let's get back to the information about this horrible incident. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4944
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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Good Grief... Can we get back to the topic at hand? Please? |
susan1014
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Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1556
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
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I believe the Seton Hall fire deaths are indeed 3 of the 7. I also remember a domestic murder-suicide in Newstead a few years back, as well as another murder somewhere in town more recently that turned out to be domestic in nature (an elder murder?).
That is 5 of the 7 that I can remember since 1996, all of which received at least a little press coverage.
As to the other two, I'm not sure. I wasn't here from 1989-1996, and may be forgetting something else. I don't think that murder gets "swept under the rug" here, whatever some may like to think. However, domestic violence murders often get very limited coverage.
[And Pizzaz, the bigotry of others does not excuse comments like the one you made. I'm still a customer, but a disappointed one] |
Deidra
Citizen
Username: Deidralynn
Post Number: 564
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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I hear you JTA. I think after this incident, they will certainly look into the order of business hours (other that food establishments) because this is a college town afterall. Having a hair salon open until 1 am, however, is definitely not needed. I didn't know about that before.
Hopefully, a good change is in the making to provide a safer environment. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4946
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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I think some people need to take a deep breath and think before they post! First off this post could be what Pizzaz was responding to:
noracoombs
Citizen
Username: Noracoombs
Post Number: 146
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 1:38 am:
Bets: From word on the street (and judging from the number of police officers on the premises), the shooting actually took place in/outside the hair salon in that strip of stores. I assumed at first that it was some sort of liquor store robbery gone bad, but it doesn't seem like that was the case.
It was hours after this post Pizza posted:
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3592
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 11:47 am:
There is plenty left to see. The incident needs to be fully disclosed. We haven't heard an official account of the situation that entails a homicide in our village. Was it robbery at the liquor store, or a bad drug deal that took its business to the afro hair salon? I think we all have a right to know.
It seems to me he was only asking for clarification. Don't trip over yourselves apologizing to Pizzaz now... |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4947
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:46 pm: |
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Susan-
You could be correct about the SHU deaths. I tried to search the Star LEdger and couldn't come up with any others. There was an elder death on Meeker a couple of years ago. A relative killed the man for drug money. |
Deidra
Citizen
Username: Deidralynn
Post Number: 565
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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JTA, Clarification? I think your finger "tripped" over your keyboard because you forgot to include his "call" to Stacey to kiss is WHITE ***!!! Don't trip while I decline that request for an apology! Never happen. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4948
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:52 pm: |
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I didn't post anything about how late the businesses stay open. I kept my mouth shut about that one. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4949
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 12:54 pm: |
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D
You have a point there; but why does Stacey make it a point to ask companies what the race make up of their business is instead of asking what the qualificaitons of the company is?
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Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1620
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:00 pm: |
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cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1814
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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I still don't see what a shooting at 5 p.m. has to do with the operating hours of a pizza parlor or hair salon.
Sounds like people are just using this incident to air whatever gripes they have about the world.
(On a related note: The 24-hour Walgreens on the Maplewood/Newark border has saved my butt on many occasions.)
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Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 148
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:10 pm: |
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Old & Grey ; Nora;
The news story you watched was about East Orange and the new state of the art security cameras and Doppler audio location system. Two systems integrated that will allow EO police a computer generated location finder of where a gun shot originates from in real time based on an audio signature. Multiple microphones pick up the sound and through a software application are able generate the general vicinity of where the shot originated - then they could go to their cameras as the patrol car is heading to the location.
Given EO crime rate this was much needed and I'm sure funded with a state grant. I don’t recall any knowledge of our village having purchased any security equipment?
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Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1621
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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Good for you, and you're talking about your PAID EMPLOYEE like a charity case.
Deidre,
AMEN!!! Hired help doesn't mean a "pass card" from Pizzaz's bigotry. I am trully disappointed at him as an owner of Bunny's.
JTA,
No apology from me either!!! Did you re-read what you typed?
Was it robbery at the liquor store, or a bad drug deal that took its business to the afro hair salon? I think we all have a right to know.
Your kidding right? Now all of a sudden he ASSUMES "a bad drug deal" took place in an AA salon!
And we all know what we call folks who ASSume. Add on the statement addressed to Stacey & Terri Ann! |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 745
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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Some potential headlines:
"Revenge killing occurs on South Orange Ave. in Broad Daylight:
Community Outraged by businesses that don't close till after Midnight."
"Man is gunned down in NON-Racialy Motivated killing:
Community's Racial Harmony in termoil."
OR:
"In response to senseless death on South Orange Ave.
Diverse Community is united to keep streets safer."
J.B. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3609
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:28 pm: |
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I vote for the or - thanks, J.B. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 97
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:37 pm: |
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PIZZAZ you vote for or? Wasn't this your comment----It's outrageous that you can walk into a shop and get a hair cut at 1:00am in the morning. What the heck is that about? Or order food from a counter store at 3:00am and have it delivered. These businesses belong elsewhere if that is how they wish to operate.
So you must be voting for his first headline. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3610
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:41 pm: |
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the contradiction or:
Quote:"In response to senseless death on South Orange Ave.
Diverse Community is united to keep streets safer."
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Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1305
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:43 pm: |
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hey most of my friends are black.
I guess I'm a damn racist pig.
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NORA
Citizen
Username: Norav
Post Number: 157
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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Politicalmon
Thanks for the info.
My only question then is why was a SOPD Official talking about how wonderful the cameras in SO. work???? They haven't worked in years |
Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1760
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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Last night, Mark Rosner, who is chair of the public safety committee, did report that the committe was looking at the installation of cameras in the SOPAC lot and was also discussing what other parking lots and locations should be covered. Mark said that they are expensive and are not included in this year's budget. (Excuse me Mark if I got anything wrong.) |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4952
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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phen-
Yes I did read what I typed. He was just repeating what someone else said, which is the first note in my post. Asking which it was as the person mentioned both. Please go read the original the poster made at 1am or so. My family has John since we moved here something like 43 years ago. In no way do I think he is a racist.
Why isn't anyone jumping on Nora? She is the one who first mentioned the hair place and liquor store. |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 3298
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 2:09 pm: |
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JTA - Nora referred to a hair salon - Pizzaz referred to an afro hair salon.. see the difference?
Then there's the post where he said that if this was part of Stacy's new demographic she can kiss his white •••. Do you not see a problem with that sentence?
As a "good ol' boy" Pizzaz may not realize that those kinds of staements are viewed as racist. Newsflash... they are.
One thing I would like to point out here is that Bunny's is owned by Leslie - Pizzaz's wife. Sure, he benefits, but it's her business.
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Greeneyes
Citizen
Username: Greeneyes
Post Number: 788
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 2:21 pm: |
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JTA-
It is one thing to assume (as Nora did) that there was a robbery at the liquor store. Especially if one has lived in town since the 70s when there was a robbery with a fatal injury at that liquor store. It is quite another thing to assume ( as Pizzaz did) "Was it robbery at the liquor store, or a bad drug deal that took its business to the afro hair salon?"
The first sentence Pizzaz posted did mirror Nora's thought. The second did not.
Nora's assumption, while incorrect, did not place a sterotype on an establishment or group of people. (Liquor stores robberies are not uncommon. It doesn't matter where it is or who owns the liquor store) Drug deals at "afro" hair salons are not common, suggesting that drug deals occur in "afro" hair salons is bigoted and ignorant. That's why no one is jumping on Nora. No one should jump on Nora and no one should jump to appologize to Pizzaz. |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1622
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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@ SoOrLady & Greeneyes
Thank-You!  |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 361
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:16 pm: |
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Does anyone know who Pizzaz is? I don't. Households usually have more than one person in them, often with children or youth. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 857
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:19 pm: |
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I was under the impression he/she/it owned Bunnies. |
SoOrLady
Citizen
Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 3302
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:21 pm: |
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His wife owns Bunny's. He has a 9-5 elsewhere. |
hariseldon
Citizen
Username: Hariseldon
Post Number: 435
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 3:21 pm: |
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Pizzaz has identified himself previously as John Pogany. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 346
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 4:20 pm: |
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Politcalmon,
An SOPD Police Captain was on News 12 talking about South Orange's Cameras, they showed the white building at the corner of Scotland and South Orange Avenue...I tried finding a link to the story but I think its been too long. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 348
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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I have to agree with Glocks sarcastic remark about SHU campus...My niece, and two second cousins attended SHU...Most recently my niece graduating last May, and they told me that it is Frat/Sorority Campus and that it gets pretty thuggish at times. You were either in the greek life or not, and those who were not faced harrassment from the greek students if a problem occured. |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 149
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Spitz;
Spitz;
Can Mark elaborate on how expensive this camera’s are? Or better are they IP (Internet Protocol) based digital cameras? From what I can gather they are not that expensive? The ones I've seen run about $100 and up? I would have thought the cameras were inexpensive yet the software to manage all the IP based cameras was where the high cost comes in, but then I'm speculating.
Below is a picture of the IP based camera from Peak that sells for $100.
I would contend that perhaps the problem appears that there is no one in local government who is technologically savvy enough to make the right decisions concerning an item such as this.
Everyone needs to pad the bill when it comes to expenditures for municipal government and we don't have leaders who would even know what questions to ask if they were to commit resources to such a project.
The technology is here now and it is not expensive.
Below is a picture of the IP based camera from Peak that sells for $100.
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Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1763
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 5:01 pm: |
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Politicalmon: It seems that you have a lot of expertise that would be useful. I'm sure Mark and the Chief would welcome your input. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1363
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 5:07 pm: |
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Politicalmon
Many of these cheaper cameras do not have great resolution. What good would these cameras be if they could capture a crime, but no ID the criminal. A good quality camera will only cost a few hundred dollars.
I remember a few years back a friend of mine had a very expensive mountain bike stolen off of a college campus. Upon review of the tape, it was clear that someone had cut the lock and rode off on his bike. However, this was all that the camera could tell us. The resolution was so bad that there was no way that someone could be identified from the tape.
My point being, if cameras are really needed, then proper ones should be installed. Otherwise in a few years we will be calling for blood again because money was spent on a bunch of cameras that need to be replaced because they are no good. |
Spitz
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Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1764
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 5:12 pm: |
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Mayor: You seem to have a lot of expertise that would be useful. I'm sure that Mark and the Chief would welcome your input. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 863
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 5:14 pm: |
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An IP based camera with what resolution? With a high enough to capture facial features and liscense plate numbers?
The last thing we need are more alerts about Black males between 5"4' and 6'3". |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 9383
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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Not a lot more $ for the right camera
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4953
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:00 pm: |
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Surprised this got missed in today's paper...
Law & Order
Slain man was buddy of jailed gang leader
Tuesday, May 09, 2006
SOUTH ORANGE: The Newark man shot to death Saturday outside a local eatery was an associate of a notorious gang leader serving a life sentence for murder, police said yesterday.
Michael Mickle, 32, was gunned down as he stood in front of an eatery along South Orange Avenue. Around 5 p.m., a man ran up to Mickle and fired several shots before jumping in a van and driving off, authorities said.
South Orange Police Director Jim Chelel confirmed Mickle was involved, along with David Allen, in the slaying of a 17-year-old boy in a drug-turf dispute in 1997.
Allen, whom authorities claim is the leader of the "9 Tre Gangster" set of the Bloods street gang, was convicted in 2001 of killing Terrence Hines and is serving a life sentence. Mickle pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill the teen and was sentenced to eight months in state prison.
South Orange police are working with the Essex County Prosecutor's Office on the case, Chelel said.
Anyone with information is asked to contact South Orange police at (973) 763-3000.
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K_soze
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Username: K_soze
Post Number: 134
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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Oh, so I guess it was gang related |
Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 753
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:24 pm: |
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Thanks JTA, that was previously posted but has been archived by all of the tangential debate.
Are you going to earn your, "Scoop" title again and solve this one?
J.B. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4954
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:24 pm: |
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SoLAdy and others -
My mistake. I did miss that Pizzaz added the word 'afro' to his post. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4955
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:32 pm: |
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JB
Do you mean what I posted yesterday? http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=3133&post=600351#POST6003 51
The post a few minutes ago was from today's paper. |
campbell29
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Username: Campbell29
Post Number: 428
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:41 pm: |
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Whatever...Whoever...It doesn't seem related to how late a haircut store is open, the race of the people who patronize the haircut store, or an insufficient police presence in Grove Park. It seems like an unfortunate accident of time and place. That said, like many of the non-violent crimes we residents have to deal with like car theft, break-ins and the like probably would decrease if the police department continue to do routine surveillence.
(which I've seen them do when they wrestled my neighbors handyman to the ground and cuffed him)My own personal opinion is that any business that is open until 1 or 2 in the morning is more likely to attract trouble than one that closes at 11. Also, I don't understand why a braiding establishment needs to be open that late anyway - its hardly a quick in and out procedure. |
Jersey Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 754
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:44 pm: |
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No, JTA,
Wasn't it you who "Scooped" ALL news sources with the Armored car robbery with an eye witness account?
It might have been Meandtheboys who posted a play by play, before anything was really known.
If so, sorry for the confusion.
J.B.
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4957
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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Oh, yeah I forgot about the armored car thing!  ) |
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