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jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 113
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:43 pm: | 
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There was no reason to kill this bear. Imagine the posative press the police would have recieved had they taken the bear alive. Poor judgement on their part. I hope the stories of the police officers laughing is false. |
LW
Citizen
Username: Lrw
Post Number: 133
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 3:48 pm: |
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I totally agree with you that the media can misinform, but if you think the police don't sometimes "skew" the facts, you're mad. I don't HAVE any eyewitnesses, I'm just going off of eyewitness ACCOUNTS (I should've clarified). And, yes, I do think they know what the hell they were talking about. What do ordinary citizens have to lose by being honest, or by lying?
P.S. You didn't see Jack Hanna in the background? |
Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1541
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 4:01 pm: |
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Yeah, all that positive press- "..23 people have been killed on the streets of Irvington this year... but we did save the bear".
I'm sure the two mothers whose teenage sons were gunned down there this week are just all broken up over the bear... |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 168
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 5:28 pm: |
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LW - I don't necessarily think the bystanders/witnesses would lie but whenever you hear/see someone on the sidelines giving their .02 cents you have to take into consideration they they may not have the full story or that they just don't know how things work...so when they're spouting the coulda-shoulda-woulda we can't assume they know all. |
combustion
Citizen
Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 6:40 pm: |
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Although it's wrong to assume the police are automatically wrong in everything they do, it's just as wrong to automatically assume they are correct in their evey action. I'm not interested in the eyewitness accounts. I'm upset by the video showing a bear cowering behind a tree being shot to death. Was the clip edited? Yes. They chose to not to show shots 2 - 7, and they thankfully did not show the animal convulsing as it died. They DID show the time prior to and including the first shot. This was enough to dispute the account given by Irvington PD. Seeing this frightened animal cruelly butchered was also enough to break my heart. |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 155
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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Brett;
Here is the link for you to read if you’re so interested by a PHD from the Wildlife Institute.
You will see the quote under 'Greatest misconception".
http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html
Looks like you've been watching too much of the Minority Report - you know when a crime will be committed before it's committed? Also real nice how you handpick random aberrations and ignore research by professionals in the field.
Oh by the way, he never attacked - but I guess that is irrelevant.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 898
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 6:38 pm: |
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It's state law that if a bear comes in contact with humans it is to be killed on site. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 364
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 6:55 pm: |
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The Morristown animal control officer, who was called to the scene, was quoted in the Star Ledger that he gave the word to destroy the bear to police officers, just moments before he was going to tranqualize it. SO THE ANIMAL EXPERT IDENTIFIED AN AGRESSIVE POSTURE IN THE BEAR AND GAVE THE WORD TO SHOOT JUST MOMENTS BEFORE HE WAS GOING TO TRANQUAILIZE IT. Relocating that bear was their primary goal the whole time...Why didn't any other police agency shoot the bear before it got cornered in Irvington? No one was out to "Kill" the bear. Can't you consider that after several agencies followed it for two days, and it wasn't shot until it took the okay of the on scene bear expert?
The cops were told by the Bear expert to shoot it. So stop blaming the cops. Your obviously anti police for whatever personal experience you had in the past with police officers. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 899
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 7:15 pm: |
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It's abear..oh no...it moved into an urban area..oh no...should we...um let it run around until a person gets killed..or shoot it? |
MeAndTheBoys
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3757
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 7:33 pm: |
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Animal control officers are hardly "bear experts." Their job is to pick up stray domestic animals, as in dogs and cats, which in no way translates to knowing anything about "wildlife" in general, or bears in particular. He was probably just as nervous and trigger happy as the cops were. Seems more like a case of the blind leading the blind on this one.
Poor bear. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 900
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 7:51 pm: |
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This is worse than the duck thread in the soap box. It was a bear, a dangerous and unpredictable animal...it was the correct thing to do in the situation. Or would you rather it had mauled a bunch of schoolkids to get at their lunches? |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 367
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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The animal control officer from Morristown is an expert in blackbears. That is why he was called out to Irvington for the incident. He works with my son in Morristown.
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Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1553
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:22 pm: |
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Politcalmon- As I said above, watching the Discovery Channel makes you an expert on television. If you're so committed to "Save the Bears", get your flabby keester off the Barcalounger, get a capture stick and some top-notch "bear immobilizer" and go make fools of us all. But until you have the courage and conviction to actually go face one, don't be so critical of those who actually have.
Irvington is a densely populated urban environment filled with kids and old people and a thousand bad things for a bear to find. This particular bear had dozens of chances to climb a tree- the usual refuge when pursued, and the optimal place for ACO's to dart them- but didn't. It was disoriented, exhausted and adrenalized, and capable of anything. No civil servant should have to risk his/her life just to offer a 200+ lb. predator a level playing field on your say-so. And again, Irvington police and residents have much greater concerns than the life of one bruin; their own lives are at risk every day. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 833
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:55 pm: |
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Is this the right thread for me to ask about cofffee?
J.B. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5068
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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Millburn bear tranquilized
A year-old male bear was tranquilized and taken out of a tree in a backyard of Millburn today, after neighbors spotted the animal travelling through the Short Hills area of the township.
Police were called by neighbors at 7:45 a.m. and in turn, notified the state Division of Fish and Wildlife, whose biologists arrived in a backyard on Forest Drive North about an hour later.
The 140-pound bear was in the crook of a large tree when the biologists shot it with a tranquilizer dart, surrounded the tree with a net and nudged the bear into the net once it was sedated.
Kelcey Burgess, principal biologist with Fish and Wildlife, measured the bear, took a blood sample and removed one of its teeth, before the bear was transported back to the Fish and Wildlife offices in Clinton where he said it would be euthanized
"It's another bear that's gotten into our Bear Exclusion Zone, we wanted to get the bear out," Burgess said, adding that the Millburn Police officers and Public Works employees did a good job keeping the bear in the tree.
The bear caused a commotion on the quiet, dead-end street, which borders the Short Hills Country Club and South Pond. Joggers and club members in their tennis whites came to the backyard to check on the commotion, as news helicopters flew overhead.
"I'm glad they were able to tranquilize it," said Ann Shuch, who stayed in her home with her children while the bear was in her backyard tree. "This has never happened before."
Contributed by Elizabeth Moore
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Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 327
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:42 pm: |
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They shot it with a tranquilizer dart.....took blood and a tooth....
Then it is being taken to Clinton to be euthanized............!!!!
It kind of makes you wonder why they took all the trouble of using the tranquilizer.
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Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 328
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 2:47 pm: |
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They shot it with a tranquilizer dart.....took blood and a tooth....
Then it is being taken to Clinton to be euthanized............!!!!
It kind of makes you wonder why they took all the trouble of using the tranquilizer.
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Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 865
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 3:12 pm: |
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Maybe shooting with regular guns hurts more and is more bloody?
J.B. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11547
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 3:51 pm: |
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Do I see a trend here? Are all the Essex County police departments going to have to form a Bear Patrol? Is the Sherrif going to have to set up a special canine unit to track down all the bears?
Unfortunately, NJ doesn't need more bears. It is unfair to take a bear captured in the exclusion area and release it in Sussex County, which has more than enough bears to go around, which is why the bears are moving east. |
Pippi
Supporter
Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2214
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 4:34 pm: |
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I do wonder why they didn't just relocate the bear if they went to the trouble to tranquilize him....seems unnecessary
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5069
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
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I too am having a hard time understanding what the point of sedating the bear only to kill it is. Why can't the bears be relocated somewhere else? |
susan1014
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Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1571
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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I'm guessing you can't just drop a young bear with no territory into another bear's territory and expect it to work out. Sad as it is, I'm guessing we are running out of appropriate empty bear territory. |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 156
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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Brett;
I don't subsribe to cable TV therefore no Discovery channel. I guess you didn't bother looking at the web site I listed - hard to debate someone who refuses to ignore the facts as detailed by a third party who spent his life dedicated to the subject matter at hand. I guess a PHD in Black Bear behavior from the Wildlife Institute doesn't meet your high level of standards?
Kill or be Killed appears to be your motto. |
Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1558
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 18, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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Politcalmon- Like I said, put up or shut up; it's all academic until you step up and face one yourself.
BTW, much more humane your way a la Millburn/Short Hills. Text book darting, capture and collection of specimens. How's that bear making out? |
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