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     Steve Hickson Citizen Username: Shickson Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2006 |
Can a park just be a park? Must it be a canvas for political artwork? Do people sometimes go to parks to forget about the ills of the world for a while? Do we need a constant Iraq reminder via a floral AK-47 on Flood's Hill? How about just nice green grass? If a floral AK-47 statement is needed---how about putting it on the facade of the erstwhile "Avenue" food store? | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 1768 Registered: 2-2005  |
Reminders along the Avenue have done nothing to spur anything actually being completed... It is a shame that folks have to be reminded that a war is being fought in Iraq through art...you'd think the body bags would be enough. You might want to avoid the reservation and the Waterlands park because of the 9/11 memorials there that might cause you to be reminded of awful things. | ||
| Lucy Supporter Username: Lucy Post Number: 3634 Registered: 5-2005  |
Steve welcome to MOL and SO Ref memorials are a little different than a gun in shape of flowers. I don't oppose the arts I just think there is a time and place and when it is a place that attracts children we should be mindful of our audience. | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 1769 Registered: 2-2005 |
I'd pay to see guns formed in the shape of flowers  A huge peace symbol may have passed along a similar "message" but no one would be talking about it. | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 1771 Registered: 2-2005 |
I always confused about one place that children may go on a regular basis where they might bear witness to a "reminder" that is extremely violent in nature - church. How is it that children can go and see Jesus Christ nailed through His limbs to a wooden beam with blood flowing from the wounds in His hands, feets, side, and from a crown of thorns without being adversely affected, but they can't bear to gaze upon a field with flowers arranged in a certain way? Of course, this doesn't really count for those who don't frequent churches of the Christian faith, but, by last count, there were a fair number of folks going there. Religious art is still art | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4924 Registered: 1-2004  |
Soda- In response to: " BTW: I've been hearing rumors... Have any of you lowdown, furtive, "lurker" guys out there been questioned by The Authorities about this? " Yeah! ME!!!! How did you know? I only told two people about it. Doubt very much either would have told YOU!  | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 103 Registered: 11-2005 |
WooHoo ...someone has a guilty conscience. S.O.D.A. never mentioned you in her/her post. Soo...JTA wassit all about???? | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4024 Registered: 5-2001  |
Steve, Welcome to MOL! | ||
| Steve Hickson Citizen Username: Shickson Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2006 |
Thanks MHD, I will plan to post from time to time and engage on topics of local interest---wow, seems to be quite a variety of things to talk about regarding South Orange---seems like there is major, major headroom for improvement in terms of town planning or lack thereof. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 23068 Registered: 6-2001  |
Hey Steve! Great to see you here. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3886 Registered: 5-2001  |
JTA: Wow. I never expected anybody to actually respond to my last tongue-in-cheek post, but now that you've broken your silence, please tell us: Was it a bare lightbulb hanging in a small room with a big mirror on one wall, and JTA shackled to a metal chair while big burly detectives blew the smoke from their Lucky Strikes in your face? Did they offer you a deal if you'd rat out your fellow conspirators? Did you do a purp walk? Who did you contact with your one phone call? Were you lined-up to be identified by a bunch of artificial flowers? Who went your bail? Are you posting from the slammer? Are you somebody's bitch yet? WOW! ...So anyhow, didja do it??? Really. C'mon, just between us... -s. BTW: My advice, JTA? Lay low, or maybe just take it on the lamm until this Baird exhibition is over and things cool down. But whatever you do, keep the heat off your trail, and don't let things end in a hail of bullets... Top O' The World, Auntie! | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2006 |
Soda, I was having a bad day when I read your post from yesterday. Thank you for making me laugh. More importantly, you also are making a valid point. SO Ref. I agree with your post. When I was younger my Grandmother had a cross hanging in the bedroom used for sleepovers. I used stare at it in terror for hours while trying to go to sleep. A little off topic, but I have always wondered why Christianity always chose to remind people about His horrible violent death rather than His message of peace and love? A final thought. Who's trying to protect the Iraqi children from seeing the horror of guns? I'm sure given the choice they'd rather see one made out of flowers. In context of a war we should be grateful that a questionable piece of art is the only thing our children are being subjected to. | ||
| Brett Weir Citizen Username: Brett_weir Post Number: 1522 Registered: 4-2004  |
Our next floral expression of artwork-as-message can be a chalk outline of the man gunned down on South Orange Ave. War is global; homicide is local. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4932 Registered: 1-2004 |
In light of Saturday's homicide I hope this gun display is removed from Flood's Hill. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4933 Registered: 1-2004 |
SODA Nope nothing as dramatic as that. The phone rings "JTA! It's mom's phone for ***you!*** And it's the pooooliiiiceeee!!! What the hell(o) did you do? Huh? I'm thinking? "This is South Orange Police, can you tell us where you were last night?" "Ah, home?" I respond? "Doing what" Watching American Idol with my sister and the kids. Why?" "Well it seems someone ripped about the display on the hill in the park and it's been brought to our attention you threatened to destroy it." Ah, I don't think so. Who told you that?" "Do you use the name Just the Aunt on Maplewoodonline? "Yes, but I didn't do anything." I then explained the thread and told him I could prove where I was all night. I was told they might be intouch with me in the future. I then got chewed out by my family. I kept waiting for someone to tell me it was a phonescam from z100 or PLJ; but they didn't. | ||
| FlyingSpaghettiMonst Citizen Username: Noodlyappendage Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2005 |
JTA, I am SURE that the perps involoved with this gangland-type shooting were GREATLY influenced by the artwork on the hill. If it wasn't there, this never, ever would of happened! | ||
| mjh Supporter Username: Mjh Post Number: 509 Registered: 5-2001 |
Yup, and several of our town 8 year old soccer players will become mass murders due to the psychological damage caused by exposure to the infamous "flower gun" .........leading the defense lawyers to develop what will heretofor be known as the "daisy defense". These damaged little murderers will be acquitted and referred for couseling, and their parents will sue the town for millions of dollars for real and punitive damages. Goodbye South Orange. | ||
| davel Citizen Username: Davel Post Number: 142 Registered: 6-2001 |
It is clear that South Orange needs some FEMA funding for mass remdedial art education. Quite amusing to read this thread. | ||
| red_alert Citizen Username: Red_alert Post Number: 247 Registered: 3-2005 |
Would a chalk outline in front of Cluck U count as art? | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3897 Registered: 5-2001 |
+++ jpeg +++ 113404 +++ +++ -s. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9380 Registered: 4-1997  |
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| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3898 Registered: 5-2001 |
This is what I posted before. oops...  -s. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4030 Registered: 5-2001 |
Soda - since you are a local "artist", I bet I can get the BOT to bankroll you $250,000 for it with tax dollars.  | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3899 Registered: 5-2001 |
I wouldn't vote for this guy, folks... -s. | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3597 Registered: 11-2001  |
pop goes the weasel.... tastro | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3036 Registered: 5-2004  |
Pizzaz, I assume you meant "Rastro" not "tastro." I really think you must be drinking midday.  What the heck does this mean? "pop goes the weasel.... tastro" | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3598 Registered: 11-2001 |
It means let's go fishin'.......  | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3037 Registered: 5-2004 |
Now I really think you've lost it. Assume I have no idea what you're talking about. In clear, simple English, what are you trying to say? | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3600 Registered: 11-2001 |
shall we assume anything else....animation art gets me thinking too.....   | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4031 Registered: 5-2001 |
Pizzaz, Are you trying to suggest that Rastro is Soda? | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 464 Registered: 1-2006 |
A man was murdered, and another person was shot and wounded. There is nothing funny in this. Maybe you clowns can offer your condolences to the victim's family. jd | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3602 Registered: 11-2001 |
I certainly do. I'm mortified by the incident. But this is a thread about art, Joel? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3039 Registered: 5-2004 |
I'm pretty sure Dave could verify that I am not Soda. I'm also pretty sure, given some of our exchanges, that Soda would be offended that someone might consider us the same person. MHD, I don't really think that is what Pizzaz is getting at. But I have no idea what he IS trying to say. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4032 Registered: 5-2001 |
Rastro - I thought it seemed like an odd suggestion. BTW, I ran into your old pal, Woodstock, yesterday and apparently he still reads MOL periodically and is doing well. (and enjoying MUCH lower taxes) | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 4034 Registered: 5-2001 |
There was quite a discussion on this "art" at the BOT Meeting tonight, when Ms. Skrobe expressed her outrage about the use of Public land (and money) for this display. I found it particularly annoying that all the "sculpture people" were in the crowd snickering at every word she said & then essentially said in a condescending manner that she just "didn't understand". | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 3902 Registered: 5-2001 |
OK, let's get a few things straight. *Rastro is not me, nor I him/her. *Judy Wukitsch was not being condescending to Ms. Skrobe. She was acknowledging Ms. Skrobe's lack of appreciation or approval for the Flood's Hill Rifle. The words "she doesn't understand" could be parsed to mean "she's an idiot who isn't trying hard enough", but that was not what Ms. Wukitsch was saying. *Even though she was informed of the fact by several Trustees, the exasperated Ms. Skrobe "didn't understand" that the proper forum in which to air Flood's Hill Art grievances is the Recreation & Cultural Affairs Advisory Committee. *The snickering from the "sculpture" people was not loud enough to be picked up by the microphones, but the snickering and rude talking by other members of the audience was so loud as to momemtarily stop the procedings. *Nobody was limited to three minutes at the podium. *Daniel Goldberg gets more respect from the Trustees than MHD, and there must be a reason. *Ms. Wukitsch, Ms. Arnedt, Nancy Heins-Glaser, and the CHS art teacher all spoke eloquently, and none of them deserve to be attacked for their trouble. *Pizzaz, supposedly a member of the Recreation and Cultural Affairs Advisory Committee, has been entirely silent here on the subject of this thread, choosing instead to be represented by innuendo and the same sorry inanities he generates all day long in the Virtual Cafe. *I'm starting to feel sorry for Joel Dranove. *I'm still glad I voted for Howard Levison. -s. | ||
| Pizzaz Supporter Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 3606 Registered: 11-2001 |
Pop goes the weasel, again. The committee referred to is the one chaired by Art Taylor and not me. To Ms. Skrobe, MHD, JD, D.G, JohnP and others: it is for people like you that we may feel secure that individuals representing the majority opinion will persist to place notice to those who hold the public trust that it is certainly in their purview to address the issues that run rampant in our village. Thank you. BTW: I continue to hope, Soda, you take your meds regularly. | ||
| joel dranove Citizen Username: Jdranove Post Number: 465 Registered: 1-2006 |
I like him just the way he is. jd | ||
| SO1969 Citizen Username: Bklyn1969 Post Number: 295 Registered: 7-2004 |
*Ms. Wukitsch, Ms. Arnedt, Nancy Heins-Glaser, and the CHS art teacher all spoke eloquently, and none of them deserve to be attacked for their trouble. They may have spoken eloquently*, but no one made, nor has anyone made, a case for why the sculpture should be funded with taxpayer money. At root, this is a highly unusual use of tax dollars (again, I welcome any TS sculpture supporter to identify a comparable use anywhere in the USA). The BOT dodged this question for years by saying it was grant money. TS sculpture supporters, please explain why tax dollars should be used...not why it is a good project. Thank you. *Note: I had a different thought. While watching them, my thought was "my God, the inmates have taken over the asylum." It is remarkable that the words they speak resonate with our VP and several trustees, while the common sense and fiscal responsibility of Howard Levison and others either falls on deaf ears or is not understood or is combatted with misinformation. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4940 Registered: 1-2004 |
So did any of the sculpture people inform the BOT how much money the town can expect from the not so well attended bogus fundraiser they recently had? I want to know why the town continues to allow this private organization to shove what they want down our throats! Doesn't anyone else find it strange that most of the pro Tau letters to the Snooze Wrecked are written from the people on the sculpture board? Or that Calabrese and Taylor are members of the sculpture board? Or that for someone who claims to have been a 'professional pollster' Cheryl went no further then the streets members of the sculpture board live on to ask for feedback in spending our tax money on a piece of ugly art?! Not to mention from what was reported in recent newspaper articles it seems our BOT did some questionable transferring of money from SOPAC to the sculpture project? I sure hope people remember this in the next election! Maybe we can undo this mess with new board members because it sure seems this one (with the exception of two people) doesn't give a rats butt about the taxpayers. I know both Bill and Ed know who I am in RL and I've defended you both in the past; but now I am seeing for myself what people have been talking about. Not only am I disappointed in you both, I have lost all respect for the both of you. |
