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bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 23267
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 2:50 pm: | 
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If Elaine posted the comment under the username "South Orange Chamber of Commerce" I would understand the criticism. She posted under her own name, something not many on this thread seem willing to do, so I suggest you give it a break. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 158
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 2:55 pm: |
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Mayor If a president of a local organization which is 100% affiliated with the local businesses makes a public comment about a business then the person who is making the comment should make it clear that it is a personal view not a professional opinion. And unless they do then they are one in the same. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 159
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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Bets that really is not the point is it! You can fish around make your comments but you and I know what the truth is. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9742
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 2:59 pm: |
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Walked by the flowers yesterday. They look great.
Elaine, I'm going to e-mail jeep a Chamber application. People or businesses don't have to have a business in town to join. Many members come from different towns and we welcome all of them. Joining will also put you on the Chamber's mailing list, which will keep you better informed. |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 23268
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 2:59 pm: |
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Yes, jeep, I know an anonymous troll when I see one. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 160
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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Bets help me out here please. Is this response from Ms. Harris the resident or Ms.Harris the president of the chamber? This was a suggestion and I good one I might add that Growler suggested for the Chamber to do and this was Elaine Harris post-------
"Don't you just love people who have no problem assigning jobs to others but take no responsibility themselves? How about you, Growler? Why don't you volunteer to organize the people of the village into this project? Sounds like you have too much time on your hands. This way you can work off some of your misplaced anger." |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4170
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:02 pm: |
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jeep & erin,
You don't like Elaine Harris. We get it.
Please move along. |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1639
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:03 pm: |
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I don't get it. She posted under her own name. She didn't in any way associate herself with the chamber. And you still have a problem? I just don't get it. I guess after each post everyone should disassociate themselves from any possible association with anything.
This post is in no way affiliated with the Right to Life Association of Delaware, the South Orange Chamber of Commerce, or the World Mystery Research Center.
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Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 820
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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I still think the flowers look great... |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 161
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:09 pm: |
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Mayor very funny!!!!!
MHD nice to see you have moved along from the TAO.
And MHD this has nothing to do with my opinion of Ms.Harris. I have never had the pleasure of meeting her. And actually I think I have made some rather useful suggestions. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2801
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:11 pm: |
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Several years ago several residents volunteered to spruce up the village owned planters and to help any business that was interested in their services. Ms. Harris stated the COC already was in the process of working with businesses towards a similar goal. At that point, the VP suggested that the COC work with the volunteer residents (garden club?) and try to coordinate a plan for the two groups to work together.
When the DMC task force met, this was also one of the goals. One would think every business owner would do whatever they could to help enhance their business whether it be with flowers, cleaning the sidewalk, emptying the garbage, etc. Some businesses get it and others are clueless.
In some towns the COC takes the lead, in others it is a DMC (whether funded by a SID or not) and in others it is Main Street. Since Main street is partially funded by the village, I see them as being the ones to take the leadership role(for now) but it should be done as joint effort with the COC.
In the end, each business should take it upon themselves for the immediate area by their store.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4171
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:15 pm: |
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jeep,
To be clear - Tau is costing taxpayers at least $250,000 dollars.
Elaine complimenting Bunny's costs nothing.
Feel free to start your own petition drive opposing Elaine from complimenting anyone ever again. I'll meet you down on Sloan Street with my petition.  |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 185
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:23 pm: |
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The "job" of facades was given to Main Street South Orange. The Chamber does not have any jurisdiction over store fronts.
However, we do take an interest in having beautiful store fronts, so we presented an excellent program on "How to Improve your Store Front with Feng Shui," given by an expert on the subject. We photographed the insides and facades of several businesses and professional offices and the expert explained how feng shui techniques could be used to redecorate so as to either attract more business or to prevent mistakes that repell business. It was very interesting and informative. Sorry if you missed it.
In addition, when appropriate, the Chamber has honored stores or businesses. For example, we hosted a fabulous dinner to honor the Frame Shop which has been one of the mainstays of the business district for over 30 years. This event was held at Sharey Tefilo.
We also hosted a dinner-dance, fashion show and boutique event at The Maplewood Club on Ridgewood Road to showcase our black merchants. That evening was spectacular and it launched at least one business, Heart & Soul. We also proudly showcased Yanick, Niecey, Maplewood Bridal, Gefken's florist, just to name a few. John Lee provided our music. His music is simply awesome. The event was sold out and very successful.
Nevertheless, no matter how hard we work for the village, there are a few "posters", always the same ones, like Erin Cartman, who pop up instantly when they see my name on board and go out of their way to say something negative. For those of you who are new to all this, or even some of the "regulars," go through the archives and see for yourself. Please ignore them. I think it is sad that they are so negative, but what can you do?
All I did to start this thread was to compliment one of our merchants, and if you look back at the original post, I said, "The Orange Tree also has beautiful flowers as do a few other stores." So of course, Jeep, another one of my "critics" complained that I did not mention other stores. You can never do enough for them. They will find criticism no matter what. However, to my knowledge, no other store has standing flower boxes. Reservoir does have flower boxes attached to the window, and this is nice, too. No matter what I say, it is quite amusing to see how fast the spoilers jump on board with their negativity.
Many of you are friendly with shop owners, or perhaps you are one. If the idea of flower boxes seems good, then do it or suggest it. The South Orange Chamber does many many things that are good for the chamber members and for the community, but we do not have the money nor the resources to do plantings for you.
By the way, three years ago we did volunteer to plant flowers in the planters on South Orange Avenue on the part east of Valley Street. Unfortunately, we learned that the hydration of those massive pots was more than we had the capacity to maintain. So we did try.
Now let's see who attacks me.
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jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 163
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:29 pm: |
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MHD isn't it costing the towns taxpayers roughly 15-20,000 per year? and we have roughly 6000 taxpaying house holds so that is about $3.00 per year per house. I think I have heard that SOPAC is going to cost each taxpayer roughly $100.00 per year. I tell you what I will pay your $3.00 cost for TAO per year and YOU GET A PETITION GOING about the $100.00 cost for SOPAC.  |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 164
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:36 pm: |
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Sorry Elaine I stand corrected. When you said flower boxes I assumed you also meant flower pots like the ones that many other businesses do have. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4172
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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jeep - LOL. Unfortunately you can't compare the two. SOMT (South Orange Movie Theatre, as it should be properly called) actually did have some public discussion, had pretty wide public support, isn't being built in an area that was "finished" only 7 years ago and wasn't sold to the town as a "gift".
Tau was agreed to because of a few Letters to the Editor in the News Record. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 167
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:52 pm: |
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SO why are the tax payers being taxed for a movie theater? |
Elaine Harris
Citizen
Username: Elaineharris
Post Number: 186
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:57 pm: |
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While I was typing my lengthy post above, others were popping up that I did not know about, but would like to respond.
When I post, unless I say otherwise, it is Elaine Harris, citizen, nothing more. I will always state when I am speaking in an "official" capacity on behalf of an organization.
However, please note, I am involved with many other organizations, like the Lions Club, and JESPY. So to be fair, don't "assume" anything.
And, Jeep, I would welcome the opportunity to meet you. |
newtoallthis
Citizen
Username: Newtoallthis
Post Number: 262
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 4:21 pm: |
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I would volunteer for a village clean-up day if there was one. For now, I'll just tend to the flower pots I've hung from the gaslight in front of my home (wish more people would do that). |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2802
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 4:37 pm: |
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newtoallthis: In the past there have been some volunteer clean-up days. Pretty much every year there has been one for the river. A couple of years ago there was one along S. Orange avenue. The problem has always been the same. The turnout is usually a lot less than one would hope for and has been a lot of work for a few volunteers (and it always seems to be the same volunteers).
Also, SHU has assigned clean-up duties as part of their community service program. This has been an on-going program. The local boy scout troops also had a clean-up day a couple of years ago.
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growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 962
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 5:39 pm: |
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Ok...let me try my suggestion again...
Maybe the Design Committee of the Main Street SO could get something like that together. They say that "work with property owners and merchants to improve the commercial streetscape in downtown South Orange. We look forward to continuing our work to improve storefronts, and the overall look of the Village, by providing design assistance on signage, facades, and windows."
Sounds like something right up their alley.
Again, this is only a suggestion lest I ruffle anyone elses feathers today. |
marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 142
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:50 am: |
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i think the flowers are racist. |
Erin Cartman
Citizen
Username: Carnac
Post Number: 67
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:19 pm: |
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Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1649
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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There is nothing funny about racist flowers. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 558
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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I personally think they are perverted flowers:
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PRETTYPRINCESS
Citizen
Username: Prettyprincess
Post Number: 10
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 8:14 pm: |
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The flowers look absolutely gorgeous! |
Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Momof4peepers
Post Number: 109
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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Newtoallthis and Mr. Rosner - who is in charge of the volunteer days? I posted awhile ago that we need to have a Town Pride clean up day but was unaware that it's already been done. Who would I contact to see if we couldn't get something going?
And does anyone know if I'd be arrested if I weeded the clearly unattended gardens at Village Hall? It's a disgrace to see all those weeds! |
Slim Jim
Citizen
Username: Arrakis
Post Number: 22
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:46 pm: |
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4331
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:52 pm: |
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Elizabeth,
Great idea. Let us know what you find out.
Perhaps we can add our "9/11 Memorial" to the list of "unattended" spots, as well.
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Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Momof4peepers
Post Number: 110
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 10:29 am: |
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"Let us know what you find out." I.e. (or is it e.g. - I can never remember) go do the weeding, and let us know whether or not you get arrested!
I may just do it.
And not to ask a dumb question, but where is this 9/11 memorial? I see construction barriers in the background, but that could be anywhere in town... |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3447
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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i.e. is "that is..." whereas e.g. is "for example..." |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4334
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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Elizabeth,
LOL. If you get arrested, maybe they will allow you "one post" (instead of one phone call).
P.S. That picture was taken in the NJ transit parking lot right in front of SOPAC |
Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Momof4peepers
Post Number: 111
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 3, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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My one post will be titled "more waste and mismanagement in South Orange. Gardener arrested volunteering for DPW work".
You just watch for it!
PS - thanks for the directions to the 9/11 memorial. |
Slim Jim
Citizen
Username: Arrakis
Post Number: 24
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 5:19 pm: |
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It looks like someone cleaned up the 9/11 memorial. |
Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Momof4peepers
Post Number: 114
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 7:44 pm: |
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Man - I was all set to do battle with City Hall......
At least it's cleaned up. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4365
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 8:20 pm: |
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"Cleaned-up" is a little strong. It's more like someone took a weed-wacker to it, but it is still far from a beautiful memorial or an "entrance" to the multi-million dollar SOPAC:
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red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 301
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 8:25 pm: |
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Progress is made! Good to see action is taken.
It's a long journey and this is the first step. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 707
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 9:07 pm: |
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Personally, i find this "clean up" commensurate with how other things are done in this town. They do something...anything... to get the electorate calmed down. Who cares if it looks awful and is inappropriate. Frankly, I find this disgraceful. This should not be a 9/11 memorial. What does the obelisk in a roundabout outside a movie theater have to do with 9/11? This, as a "memorial" was one of those off the cuff remarks by the VP which he often utters to cull favor, without anything thought behind it. South Orange sadly lost one of its residents in that awful event. If I were a relative of that person and I saw this was the town's way of memorializing it, I would be irate. I would far prefer they do nothing. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3648
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 9:43 pm: |
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Check out the playground at Waterlands. I believe that is the memorial to Chris. |
Elizabeth
Citizen
Username: Momof4peepers
Post Number: 115
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 5, 2006 - 10:49 pm: |
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Typical South Orange - take an easy job (leave the tops on the weeds so you can identify them and pull them out) and make it difficult (whack them to the ground so you can't pull them - now you need to dig them out and guess what you're doing at the same time). |
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