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Debra Davidson
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Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 161
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 6:29 pm: | 
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I watched Oprah yesterday. The topic was about how teens get caught up in Internet porn buy way of their web cams. Oprah had on a boy who is now helping police get the pedophiles that got to him, with the help of a New York Times reporter. The boy was on the honor role and president of his class. The boy is a computer geek. He was only 13. The boy said it started out very innocently. He got a web cam, plugged into his computer and thought he would be making friends with kids his own age. The people he meat on line were very nice to him and complemented him for the first few months (that is how they gain the trust of the kids). Then someone said I'll give you $50.00 if you take off you shirt for five minuets. The boy thought nothing of this, because he takes his shirt off at the pool. Then they had the boy set up a PayPal account so they could send him the money without his parents knowing about it. Then they offered the boy more money and gifts if he would masturbate on the web cam. The boy said he didn't see anything wrong with it at first, because he said kids his age masturbate a lot. They boy loved getting all that money and gifts. He worked, so when his parents asked how did he get the stuff. The boy said with his work money. The boy spent a lot of time in his room. That is were he did the sexual things he got paid to do on the web cam. The boy was asked by one the petofiles to go to Verges. The boy told his parents he was going to a computer convention. When he got there he was taken to an Apt one of the men rented and he was molested over and over again. The New York Times Reporter was doing research for an article he was doing and found the boy one the net and went to save him. With the help of the reporter and the fact that the boy saved every IM and Email conversations with the petofiles the FBI were able arrest a lot of the men paying the boy for sex over his web cam. Before the boy went on Oprah he was offered a very large some of money for a book deal if he did not go on Oprah. The boy turned down the book deal. He said he did, because he wants to help other kids not get caught up in the same situation he was in. The boy is getting death threats. He has the protection of the FBI. The boy said some of the men are Pediatricians and counselors.
Parent please make sure you know what is going on in your child's life and who they are taking to online. I hate it that there are people out there so sick that they do not care who they hurt as long as they get what they want. I hate it the some kids are paying the ultimate price for these sickeos. Please take what I'm saying very, very seriously. I hope by posting this that more kids are not put through what the boy on Oprah went though. |
Geri Fletcher
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Username: Gerif
Post Number: 40
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:00 pm: |
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That was a great episode - I always thought of webcams as great ways to stay in touch with long distance relatives, etc. I never imagined that pedofiles would use them as a way to connect with young people. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5312
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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Here's a link to the Oprah story
http://www2.oprah.com/tows/pastshows/200602/tows_past_20060215.jhtml
I think a lot of the 'talk shows' are following Dateline in getting the word out there about sexual predators. |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1088
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:47 pm: |
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Moral of the story. Don't be an idiot online. |
peteglider
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Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1993
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 8:44 am: |
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...its really simple -- don't let your kids have computers (with internet) in their rooms -- PERIOD!
/p |
MeAndTheBoys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3940
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:38 am: |
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Right there with ya, Pete! |
Erin Cartman
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Username: Carnac
Post Number: 66
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:20 am: |
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This is in the SO Specific section because........... we are worried about Glock?  |
Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2323
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
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one thing really bugs me: what parent allows their 13 year old to go to Vegas for a convention by himself?
(I am presuming a parent didn't accompany him or he wouldn't have gone alone to the hotel room)
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Pippi
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Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2324
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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I just read the whole story on Oprah and, come to think of it, there is much much more about this story that is disturbing.
How very sad.
we live in a sick world.
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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
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It's fine to let your kid have a computer of his/her own in their room. As long as they have a shred of common sense...unlike this kid...they should be fine.
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Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1647
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:01 pm: |
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Glock, not everyone is homophobic. |
mjh
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Username: Mjh
Post Number: 594
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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Glock;
I hope you avoid parenthood for a good long while.
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MeAndTheBoys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 3943
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 1:34 pm: |
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Glock, spoken like a true child.
I think it's safe to say most teenagers are somewhat lacking in the "common sense" department. To varying degrees of course. |
Debra Davidson
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Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 162
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:14 am: |
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I come up with an idea that I though might help stop kids before they get caught up in this very, very sick and twisted world of online petaphiles. I think every school district in this country and around the world must teach the kids about the danger of the Internet and that there are very sick people out there. The very first thing kids must know is never ever give out any personal information about your self to anyone online. They must teach the kids to know the warning signs, so they can go tell a grown up and not be seduced into that very, very sick world. The teaching must start the very first time a kid is tough to use a computer and go on the inter net. I say this, because one day I was looking up some Disney movies and one of the sites I found said something about the Disney Movie The Loin King. When I went into the sit it turned out to be porn site. I was very, very upset by this, because kids could be innocently looking something up like Disney movies as I was doing and find the samething I did. I also think that the schools must educate the parents about the dangers on the Internet too. Kids today know so much more about computers then most parents. I think a kid could very easily get around the child safety programs the parents put on the computer. I feel very, very strongly that no child should ever have a computer in his or her bedroom. The computer must be in a common area of the house like the family room were the parents can see what their child is doing online. With everyone working together I think this in one very good way to keep our kids safe.
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Lewisinsov
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Username: Lewisinsov
Post Number: 25
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 12:41 pm: |
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Perhaps it is more important to teach kids how to spell.
That way, they would look up "Lion King" rather than "Loin King" (FYI loin=crotch). |
sac
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Username: Sac
Post Number: 3489
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 7:44 am: |
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Being a very "wired" family, with several computers, we always thought that we would connect our computer network to the kids' bedrooms. However, about the time the oldest got interested in the internet, we thought better of that. Now, the network connections beyond the family room have become one of those items "on Dad's list" that never get done. Since there are MANY items on that list, the kids really haven't taken it personally at all. They each have an unconnected computer (cast-off, but still working) in their bedroom on which they can work on homework or play games, etc. We also have four internet-connected computers in our family room (for four family members), so it isn't like they are computer-deprived. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5357
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 2:40 am: |
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Sometimes even the smart kids can do some stupid things. Has anyone even looked around "MySpace.com?" The students in several of the schools some of my nieces and nephews attend were given presentations by the police departments in those towns about the dangers of giving personal information online and how sometimes adults make pretend they are kids when they aren't.
With the two who live here, I set up their accounts on AOL. The only people on their Buddy Lists are people I put there for them. When they come home from school with names of friends they want added we make sure these are classmates and not one of the 8th graders.
We've restricted the way they can surf the web as well. Some of the sites the one likes to visit, such as coolnumbers.com and wheresgeorge.com, he has to visit from my computer because he's unable to from his. Parents need to keep an eye on what their kids are doing when online, but like I said, even the smart kids can make stupid mistakes.
I get the feeling many parents don't even realize the dangers out there. Dateline NBC had been doing weekly shows o sexual predators. I can't get over the excuses these perverts come up with when they try to explain why the are there. Some have even seen prior Dateline shows and still go! You would also be surprised at some of the occupations they hold.
An organization that is helping dateline http://www.perverted-justice.com/ has a great website with a lot of fantastic information on how to protect children. |
Debra Davidson
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Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 163
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 10:27 pm: |
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Just The Aunt Thank you so very much for posting the web address for perverted justice dot com. I have never herd of the site before. I took a look around and what I sow is phenomenal. We need more people willing to do what the people at perverted justice dot com are doing. They are remarkable people and I commend them for there bravery and courage to stop the sicko. I wish there was a way to get this site to every parent in the country, so more kids will be protected from the sickos living among us. Again thank you so very much for posting the web address for perverted justice dot com. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5378
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:51 am: |
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Debra-
I agree with you more parents need to be more aware of what's out there. Due to the hockey game tonight Dateline wasn't on. They've done a number of shows with the help of Perverted Justice. I'm amazed the extent some men go to meet children for sex. Some drove for more then four hours. One guy got naked and chased the cat around the kitchen. Among those caught by Dateline and Perverted Justice were a teacher, doctor, fireman, police officer, and even a Rabbi.
Shows like Dateline and Oprah are doing their best to get the word out there. I think the schools are too. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe it has something to do with this being the first generation to really grow up with the Internet. If we think about it it's only in the past 10-15 years instant messaging and sites like myspace, friendster etc became popular. As a result there are a lot of parents who don't realize how dangerous it can be for an unsupervised child.
With the story on Oprah, I want to know what parent in their right mind let's a child that age go anywhere over night without calling and speaking to the adult the child is supposed to be with. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5379
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 12:52 am: |
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BTE-
I've noticed Dateline has only showcased men. Wonder if they've caught any women? |
C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2660
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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It is so easy to get to the wrong sites when surfing. Last night my kid did searches for "sea animals" because she is putting together a collage as a gift for a teacher and wanted imagery that reminded her of a field trip to Sandy Hook. Somehow she ended up on this XXX site. I happened to be standing behind her at the time. What it was didn't really register with her initially. I saw it and yelped: "Hey, get out of there! Close it!" Then she saw what I was seeing and quickly closed the window. We talked briefly about what to do when you accidentally get to one of those sites. (Just close it, immediately!) We've talked before about not giving out personal info and about how a few adults pose as kids on the net and try to get kids involved in a sexual discussion or to meet them and hurt them. But it's amazing and aggravating how fast and for no reason these sites pop up in . I'm sure she was just running through the list of hits from her search but not really looking at domain names, etc. Yuck! |
Debra Davidson
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Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 164
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 6:08 pm: |
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What I want to know is why there are so many pedophiles out there? Have they always been out there and we just never herd about them? Now that we have the Internet is that why we are hearing about them more? Is there truly away to get the this under control and have less sickos in the world praying on our kids? |
Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1045
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 6:15 pm: |
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It's the nature of the beast. Exploit those weaker than you and "keep it secret". With the advent of the internet etc, thing are unfortunately made easier. I am with everyone who wants people like that stopped, but they just keep crawling out of the darkness.
Every time we hear that one has been caught, or the news has done a segment on them, I applaud, but I still know that there are thousands and thousands more out there.
There was talk at one time about chemical castration.... I think the "chemical" part should be done away with.....
They should throw them in jail and throw away the key. No maximum security, or isolation "for their own good" they never considered the "good" of the children they molested. I gather that child abusers and rapists are loathed in jail and "dealt" with accordingly by some of the other inmates... good.. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5387
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 15, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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C
I know exactly what you mean! I thought at one point there was talk about all the smut having their own domain, such as .XXX. But i think those with the smut sites made a lot of noise so it never happened.
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Tuxedo
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Username: Tuxedo
Post Number: 40
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Just like junk food and violent television, parents need to monitor what their kids, eat, watch and surf. Period.
What gets me are the parents who are in such denial and say "not my little Billy." Believe me, Billy will be the first to engage in online porn when he's coming of age, gawky, unattractive and low is self esteem as most teenagers are.
Just don't be an ostrich. |
C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2669
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:33 pm: |
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Tux, I'm no ostrich. My point is that this stuff happens without any intention or interest on anybody's part. A kid or adult should be able to conduct a search of "sea animals" without being confronted by triple X sites. Most filters are so clumsy that my partner's HIV work or my efforts to educate myself about working with teens around health or relationship issues would be blocked as well. I can control when and what she watches on TV. I can control what/how much junk food comes into the house. I should not have to literally stand behind her to make sure that porn junk is not blasted at her via the 'net. I have a life and things to do, too. I'm no prude but I would prefer that serious intention and effort be necessary to get to porn sites. |
sac
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Username: Sac
Post Number: 3516
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 6:05 pm: |
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Tux - Do you have kids who use the Internet? If so, please enlighten us as to how you are able to do this effectively, without banning the technology entirely or crippling it per Cathy's post?
I have to rely on the geography of it - Our kids can only get on the internet via computers that are in a shared room in which there is almost always a parent present or likely to pop in at any time. We can't stand over them every minute, but we hope that they won't seek out or linger on inappropriate sites when we are in and out and around at any time. But I agree with Cathy ... it shouldn't happen so easily! |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3387
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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JTA, actually, the porn industry is behind the idea of a .xxx tld.(top level domain). It is the other side of hte fence, the religious and anti-porn side that is opposed. they say it will create a red light district on the Internet, and esentially validate porn.
Putting porn in a xxx doamin would allow more regulation and parental control, but it would require agreeing that some level of porn is acceptable. And that's a topic for another therad. |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5419
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 21, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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Rastro-
Thanks for the correction. I wasn't sure which side put up the wall, but now that I read your post I do remember it wasn't the 'industry' that caused it to fail. What the religious groups seem to forget is there already are 'red light districts' in RL. Smut is smut. It doesn't matter if it's in the form of adult bookstores, magazines, at go-go bars (both male and female); in the of 'peep shows.'
The big difference is it's much easier to regulate, monitor, and keep children away from it in RL, then on the Internet. One is less likely to 'accidentally' be exposed to it. I think the odds of a child being abducted as a result of RL smug is pretty low. It's too bad the other side can't look at the big picture and see this. I would much rather see the industry have their own domain, at least it would significantly cut down the odds of landing on a smut site by accident. |
Debra Davidson
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Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 166
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 6:05 pm: |
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Just the Aunt I agree with 100% that there should be a Red Light District on the inter net. I believe the religious groups that are agents this are not looking at the big picture. They really need to look at it from both sides instead of just their own side. My question is are these the same religious groups that have helped to cover up sex abuse by the clergy? If they are, I think they are in denial and creating the Red Light District on the inter net would means they would have to admit that these sexual things and sexual abuse exist. Now they do not want to do that? It would defiantly be so much easier to keep kids away from all of this sex stuff on the inter net with a Red Light District on the inter net. I feel that the government must pass a law that would make up a red light district on the inter net and make a federal crime for any one to put anything sexual on the inter net out side of the red light district. |
Debra Davidson
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Username: Peanutslady
Post Number: 167
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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I just thought of something. The only way you can get into the Internet's Red Light District is with a valid credit card. This way kids can not access the Red Light
District at all. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2495
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 8:27 am: |
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Who gets to say what porn is? |
You're Not Cleared F
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Username: Umoja
Post Number: 2
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 2:13 pm: |
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Censorship and regulation are hardly ever the answer. There is a disturbing trend in America where people expect others to solve their problems. A reliance on other people to protect them and their families. These parents in question should have paid more attention, and they should have censored what their child could do. The entire world shouldn't have to gear itself towards being family friendly just because parent's are fearful for their children.
And another thing, most teenagers are definitely smarter then that. You know why they're smarter? Because their parents raised them better. |
Flying_char
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Username: Flying_char
Post Number: 116
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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Never, ever, EVER will I let my kids have a comp with internet in their rooms, NEVER!!!
I will monitor their every step on line, I will install spy ware etc. to make sure that they are ok. there are too many CRAZY people using the internet these days!
Sick M'F's
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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1298
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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It's funny...Japan has the biggest porno industry in the world...but rarely are there brainsick people like here in the states...HMMM |
argon_smythe
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Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 839
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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Japanese society programs its units to self-destruct. American programming instructs its units to destroy others. Just a slightly different paradigm. |
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