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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4179
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:35 pm: | 
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I see that the Agenda for the next BOT Meeting has been posted:
http://www.southorange.org/agenda.asp
I noticed that there are several appointments/reappointments being made but the NAMES of the people are not listed. I thought the BOT had agreed to list the names going forward.
Mark, can you ask that the agenda be updated?
On a related note, I see that a there is a "Resolution Appointing a Commissioner on the South Orange Parking Authority."
Mark, can you confirm if this is or is not Mary Theroux?
Anyone know what "Resolution Accepting the Financial Submission from Gaslight Commons Urban Renewal, LLC." is about?
I see that "SID" is back on the agenda. Has the ordinance been changed and if so, can the new version be posted on the Village website prior to Monday? |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 680
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 7:34 pm: |
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The agenda names names when it comes to people the village wishes to honor, like Villager of the Month. But when it comes to appointments, we are left in the dark until they vote on it. Is that the way the new, inclusive process on appointments is supposed to work? |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1607
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:03 pm: |
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Very good questions! |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5325
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 2:57 am: |
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MHD
Did you know according to the Ledger Mary Theroux recently sold her house? |
Nancy - LibraryLady
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3552
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 7:00 am: |
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And bought another one in town. |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 604
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 8:17 am: |
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Did the appointment process ever get memorialized as either a resolution or ordinance? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2809
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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MHD: I thought the same thing about names being in the resolution. I do not know why the name was not included so I won't release it at this point until someone gives me an answer.
SID is back on the agenda as per the discussion at the last meeting. No changes have been made yet but I expect some changes to be discussed in public. We have not had another public meeting on the SID, so no changes should have been made yet.
Every year we have to vote to accept financial reports as part of the PILOT agreement. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4181
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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Thank you, Mark.
Regarding SID, I thought in the News Record a few weeks ago, it was stated that the maximum "tax" on merchants was going to be reduced from 10 percent and the merchants would determine the "board".
If so, and those changes are being made how can the SID be voted on "on Second Reading" when material changes are being made? (I just don't understand the process...I would think that if material changes are being made, the ordinance would have to be available for public review BEFORE it is approved)
I guess I don't need to come to the meeting on Monday to accept my appointment to the Parking Authority, eh?  |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2811
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 1:27 pm: |
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MHD: I think it is the News-Record does not understand the process, not you. We have to discuss changes at a meeting first, then agree to them and then if they are deemed material, have a first reading again. I am not sure capping the 10% to a lower number would be enough of a change, but I think if we are to change how the appointment process works that would be enough. Speaking with the press is not considered a public meeting.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4183
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 2:55 pm: |
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So, it is now the Friday before the "appointment" and we still can't confirm who is being appointed to the Parking Authority? You would think the person being appointed has to be notified in advance.
Sounds to me like Ms. Theroux(Gross) is about to be named Parking Commissioner, after all.
Can anyone confirm or deny? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9830
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:02 pm: |
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Mark could at least say whether or not he voted for the recommendation without giving away a name. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2812
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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Dave: Which recommendation?
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9833
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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To approve the nomination for a person for the PA slot. Or I guess I should have phrased it: "if you will vote for" |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2813
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:35 pm: |
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I will be voting for the person the BOT agreed upon during closed session a couple of weeks ago. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 681
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:38 pm: |
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So you don't know who the appointed person is until it is announced at the BOT meeting at which they will vote yeah or nay. That's a good way to keep the citizenry from voicing approval or dissent. Keep them in the dark as long as possible. Nice strategy. Congratualtions in particular to those candidates who in the last election campaigned on open government. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2814
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
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jayjay: I have stated before that I think once a person is agreed upon by the BOT, the name should be made public and posted on the agenda. It is not my decision to keep the person's name a secret until the last minute.
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Walker
Citizen
Username: Fester
Post Number: 263
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 3:51 pm: |
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Mark;
Were you given any reason as to why this persons name is not being made public?
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Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1789
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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My guess - Someone representing the new demographics (not Steve Hickson). I thought Elaine presented compelling reasons why she should be appointed. |
talk-it-up
Citizen
Username: Talkitup
Post Number: 235
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 8:14 pm: |
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How many of you will show up on Monday????
Now everybody unless we get off our "buts" then we are as guilty as gross!
Except we are the Village Idiots, he gets paid to sit in the Village Hall and WE pay him!
Now what about Monday? There seems to be a list of issues to demand answers about. We need to bring additional residents. Every meeting we need to have two more.
Now what is on the list????? |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 411
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 8:16 pm: |
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T. Rosner, if it is not your decision to keep the name a secret until the last minute, whose decision is it?
If it is not your decision, can you object, along with any other trustees who feel similarly, to the decision that conflicts with your own?
Trying to understand how it works. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 571
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 6:37 am: |
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It is a crime to tell us, Mark?
Do you fear breaking the lockstep march to perpetual SO infamy?
Seems like the secret can serve only one master: The Annointed Ones.
The Tao of Tau.
jd
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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2816
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 3:06 pm: |
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SOrising: I am not sure who decided to keep the name a secret. After reviewing several resumes we agreed on a person. Everyone will know soon enough but I will make sure his/her name is stated before we vote. Yes, I can object at the meeting and ask why the names continue to be kept a secret.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5338
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 3:28 pm: |
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I'm willing to bet the person is either Mary T or Jimmy C. Correct Mark?
For those of us who are sick and tired of the same old garbage we need to start NOW getting people to commit to run in the next election. MHD, I hope you and Joel and Howard consider taking a shot at it. Also Elaine Harris.
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jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 683
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 6:30 pm: |
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Someone actually decided to keep the name a secret and everyone went along. What kind of nonsense is this? Why didn't anyone say this is not what open government is about and let the name of the candidate be known, if no where else, via this board? What were the rest of the BOT going to do to you that you would fear their wrath? |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 927
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 6:47 pm: |
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In my mind, if it were the right choice, the BOT and the town administration would be confident and happy enough to announce it. To keep it secret, as it seems most things are, doesn't bode well.
What is SO wrong with letting the towns people know what is going on? Honestly, isn't it preferable to be open about things?
I would certainly hope that the "chosen one" is more than adequately qualified for this position, and I for one would like to be assured that this person was THE most qualified person out of all those who submitted resumes and were ultimately interviewed.....
This is all smoke and mirrors. The trouble is we are not a fair ground, and this is NOT enjoyable. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2817
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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Jayjay: There has not been a meeting since the one a couple of weeks ago, so I do not know why it is secret. I have not spoken with any of the other trustees about this but I don't think there is anything to fear.
I also do not post anyone's name without their permission if it has not been made public yet. It might just be that they wanted to notify the person before releasing his name. I know that he was out of the country and just got back the other day. I did tell the person when I saw him, but I did not ask him if he wanted me to make his name public yet.
SOparents: In my opinion the person selected is the most qualified from the resumes received (sorry MHD).
JTA; Jimmy C is already a commissioner and was reappointed last month. You would lose the bet. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 573
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 10, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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Mark: permission needed to post a name which will be made public, live on television, with respect to a public office, really?
Ask the lucky person, for Mary's sake.
jd |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 938
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 11, 2006 - 7:24 am: |
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Thank you, as said, I would certainly hope that the most qualified was chosen..
Well, at least we now know it's a he... |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 605
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 7:43 am: |
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Mark, again has the BOT formalized the appointment process as Policy, Ordinance or Resolution? |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4195
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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Quote:In my opinion the person selected is the most qualified from the resumes received (sorry MHD).
LOL. If the person selected is the person I think it is (since you refer to "him" several times), I agree with you.
Since the appointment is to be made tonight, can't you tell us the name of the SOPA appointment, as well as all the other names of people being appointed? |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4200
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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Mark - can you confirm a rumor I heard that Dan Jacobs is being appointed to the Parking Authority tonight? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2820
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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MHD: The rumors are always flying on MOL, but yes, the one you heard is correct.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4201
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 1:53 pm: |
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Thanks, Mark.
If true...that is good news, indeed. Always glad to see another MOLer being recognized. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4213
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:35 am: |
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Mark,
I would like to offer my compliments to you (and to Eric and Terriann) for your refusal to give in to Taylor's last minute attempted "switch" of the agreed upon Parking Authority appointee.
His tactics to arbitrarily go into Closed Session in the middle of a meeting to reverse a previously agreed upon decision were shameless. Ditto for Rosen, Jennings & Calabrese for going along with it.
Then- for Jennings to come back and critique the public outrage over the initial appoinment of Theroux as being political was outrageous. Note to Ms. Jennings - the proposed APPOINTMENT of Theroux was Political. The public outrage was to STOP the politicalization of the appointment. |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 969
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 9:57 am: |
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I second the comments of MHD. I would also like to say that Trustee Moore-Abrams comment about someone just deciding there and then to have a closed session, and that it was wrong, was something that needed to be said and i'm glad someone did.
It is in-fighting like this that results in nothing being achieved. It has been said at a few recent meetings that the BOT are sitting there for late hours as nothing is getting done and last night was a prime example why.
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Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1798
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 10:14 am: |
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Trustee Moore-Abrams is to be commended for her stance. So are Mark and Eric, but Trustee Moore-Abrams showed the independance which some who know her well have said she has. She was absolutely correct, and stood by her convictions. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4227
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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Interesting take on last night's shenanigans in Mark's latest blog:
http://www.nj.com/weblogs/rosner/ |
red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 272
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 - 5:25 pm: |
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Mark,
Thank you for being so repsonsive on this board. We only wish the others were as forthcoming on the board and in other ways. |
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