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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1121
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 12:25 pm: | 
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We have two wirehaired minis |
Crazy_quilter
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Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 328
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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i was thinking a largely symbolic tiny little string of a leash.
also, what a wimpy guy to speak to your child and not to you! i would be very upset about that, too! |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 601
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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Glock ... aren't they teh funnest dogs.
KRNL.... basically that's what I will do and I will walk him seperate from the other two so he can go at his own pace.
Crazy...That was my whole problem in the first place
And let me tell you my son got in serious trouble with me for not picking up poo cause that is really not necessary.
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5353
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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Bajou-
I never realized you had that much yard. And as you know, I grew up here! lol
Hopefully the person who went to your house does read MOL and hopefully they are reading this thread! Maybe now that they understand what is happening, they will back off. I think the 'symbolic string (or even yarn) leash' is a great idea! Can you put a loose fitting bandana on Sarge? If so you can attach the piece of string / yarn to it. That way you are following the 'law.'
Someone made a point about there being a difference between the way cats and dogs are treated. There are no leash laws for cats. They can bite and scratch just as easily as a dog can. They dig up gardens, mess up trash cans, pee on grass and, though not easily seen, even poop on other people's grass. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 610
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 4:16 pm: |
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hey JTA:
What happened to the "JTA Arrested" thread... |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5354
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |
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I have no clue. It was there around 6:30am this morning; was gone when I got back. I didn't ask for it to be pulled but glad it was as it created problems with one of the organizations I volunteer for. That's how I learned the thread was there in the first place. One of my supervisors who lives in Maplewood called to ask what I did. |
Slim Jim
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Username: Arrakis
Post Number: 19
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 5:15 pm: |
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So, what did you do? |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 612
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 12, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |
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Oh darn it was a good one...LOL
By the way JTA you got to come over one day. We live around the corner form each other..
Bajou |
Grspring
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Username: Grspring
Post Number: 98
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 7:25 am: |
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Smithers & Binkley |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11812
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 8:29 am: |
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Dachshunds are great dogs. When I was a kid we had one who used to spin out running in a circle from living room to dining room to kitchen, all with bare floors. As he made a turn his back legs would start moving faster and faster as his rear end slid out like a car in a power slide. Eventually he would just go flying. However, when we laughed too hard he would go and sulk in the bathroom. Dachshunds are funny, but they don't know they are funny and they have a lot of pride.
They are tough. They were originally bred to go down badger holes to flush the badgers out. If you have ever seen a badger you will know how tough dachshunds have to be. |
red
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 5799
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
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so how cute are these dogs? I so wish I wasn't allergic  |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 633
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 1:11 pm: |
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Yeah you got it Bob K.
I grew up in Austria and the Dachshund (or short in german "Dackel") is a favorite hunting dog there. My grandfather was a hunter and gamekeeper and knew everything about the woods. I used to go along with him during the feeding season (we used to carry bags and bags of chestnuts and bailes of hay up to the mountains in the winter when the snow got too deep and the deer couldn't find any food). My grandfather instilled my love for the woods and the outdoors.
His most embarrasing story (which he would have never told but his friends wouldn't stop telling LOL) was about a badger chasing him up into a tree and wouldn't let him down for a few hours. Badgers can be really nasty and are much bigger then most people would think. The Dachshund was breed "long and short" to enter the badger sett (den) and flush him out the other exit. Let me tell you badgers don't move for anything without a fight and a heck of alot of noise.
A small town in Bavaria (Germany) named Gergweis became famous all over Europe for breeding the best Dackel (Doxies) in the world. The town ended up being named Dackeldorf (Doxie village)
http://www.gergweis.de/fotos.php |
Jersey_Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1066
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:21 pm: |
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There is a dachshund festival in Washington Square park twice a year. I've been a couple of times. It's like a sea of wiener dogs, all sniffing the ground for a scrap of food.
Mine is a black and tan, neither mini nor standard. Regarding ferocity, mine has caught and killed rodents, but is otherwise all bark.
We haven't run into any badgers yet.
J.B.
Bajou, you haven't posted the resolution of the Mark Gross or Cross situation. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 640
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
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Do you walk by Mountain station? Cause if yes then we have met.
Actually the person has been identified by somebody (just two minutes ago). I will go and visit his home this evening....
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Jersey_Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:31 pm: |
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Oh boy, we aren't going to find another bag of body parts in the reservation, are we?
I don't walk by Mountain Station. We have a fence, and usually just open the back door.
J.B. |
Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1008
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:32 pm: |
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If he reads MOL, he will either have the police standing by, or be "out"....
Might be best to have someone (Another adult) with you Bajou, not on your own.
i'm serious.. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 641
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:34 pm: |
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Oh no JB I am a nice girl......RLL (=Roaring loud laughter) |
kmk
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Username: Kmk
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 14, 2006 - 2:42 pm: |
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We had a similar run in....but ours was by mail.
We received a letter from the US postal Service, "signed" by the supervisor, claiming that our 2 year old standard poodle had bitten and seriously injured the letter carrier.
We were then told that we could no longer expect to have mail delivered to our address because of the dog's aggressive behavior.
The real story?
We have a letter carrier who LOVES our dog and feeds her a cookie each time he comes onto the property.
The dog is in our yard behind an invisible fence. So is the mailbox.
The dog is a big goofy puppy.
There was a new letter carrier who is deathly afraid of dogs. Every time he would approach our property our dog would run to the property line and act excited - waiting for her cookie. After not delivering our mail for almost a week he sent out the letter.
We went to the post office and stated that we would consider having the dog destroyed if indeed she had attacked and injured our letter carrier.
The Post Office personnel just laughed and said that the letter carrier sends those to everybody!
I was furious. |
Tuxedo
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Username: Tuxedo
Post Number: 36
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
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Bajou: If anyone comes to your home and threatens you, it is well within your rights to get a restraining order. Go to SOPD, tell them why you think you need protection, they will issue a temporary restraining order for one week, then you have to go to court for a permanent one. The stickler is, you'll have to meet the perp head on. You'll need to really evaluate if it's worth it or not. It is an option however. Just because someone is a neighbor, doesn't mean they are neighborly. It takes alot of balls to come to someone's door accusing and complaining.
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Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 658
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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You know I am old fashioned that way. You want to talk to me go ahead and talk...I'll listen and responds. We are all supposed to live together and get along. I will tell him that I am completely responsible for my son not picking up poop and that he has been punished (picking up other dogs poop LOL) I never thought that my old boy would be conceived as a threat. There ... dealt with and by the way good to meet you neighbor. However should you ever intimidate either of my kids then I kill kick your as*.
Say it like it is...
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Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4627
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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I know this is bizarre, but I was looking at the SOM School District calendar last night and noticed a man by one of the names in your thread title was inducted into the Columbia HAll of Fame! |
Scalia
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Username: Scalia
Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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A general, and honest, question to the board: when is it appropriate to discuss a child's/teenager's conduct with that child/teenager?
When I originally read the initial message, my immediate reaction was that the man that went to Bajou's house was completely out of line. However, now realizing that a full-grown Akita Shepherd (which is a sizable dog) roamed around without a leash (unless a person was aware of the unfortunate state in which the dog is in, it is reasonable to assume that someone could feel threatened by the dog) and that the teenager in charge of the dog did not properly dispose of the dog's waste, I think that a stern talking-to was appropriate given the public nature of the conduct and the teenager's age (provided that no intimidating language or actions were used or implied). Am I completely off base? Should someone always talk directly to a parent/guardian? Does it depend on the conduct or where such conduct or discussion occurred? Lastly, I do think that the man should have left is name and number so that an adult could contact him to discuss his issues. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2464
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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I think it would have been reasonable to talk to the child (teen ager) when you saw the event and the two of you are standing there, but once time passes or you go to their house, it’s time to speak with the adults.
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Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1104
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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I have to agree with Brett. Once the immediately "opportunity" has passed, then the correct thing to do would be to discuss it with the parent/homeowner. I re-read the posting and Bajou stated that it was an intimidating conversation, and that the gentleman handed over a copy of the town ordinance governing dogs. This was a premeditated visit. I certainly don't walk around with copies of bi-laws handy, and don't know of anyone who does...
I would hope that this was an isolated incident.
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Tuxedo
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Username: Tuxedo
Post Number: 37
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 1:50 pm: |
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There are two separate issues. Both need to be addressed to the parent and not the child. The person who complained/threatened should have had the patience to wait it out 'til the parent got home. And yes, big or small dogs roaming, no matter how nice they are, is not safe or sanity. |
Tuxedo
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Username: Tuxedo
Post Number: 38
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 1:51 pm: |
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sanitary, oops. Now, I'm losing my mind. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 666
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:19 pm: |
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I know I must be getting on some (or all) peoples nerves by now but there is a big difference between a dog ROAMING around and a dog walking 3 feet behind the owner. My dog has never roamed but walkes with us...be it with my son or me. Yes my son is a teenager and I am all for confronting inappropriate behavior in teens. You catch him not picking up poop you have my permission and blessing to yell at him.
However you do not come to my house stand on my porch hand over copies that you obviously prepared and hold a 15 minutes speach. You call me ..I am in the book. If you have to come by then you ask if I am home and if not you ask my son to take down a name and number and that you would like to talk to me to discuss something.
I really don't care if he was inducted into the Hall of Angels..you mess with my kids you are dead meat...angel or not. |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 660
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 4:36 pm: |
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Bajou, did you talk with the guy? How did it go? |
Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1118
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 4:38 pm: |
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Hey, Bajou baby, did you notice that your last post talking about Angels was your post No. 666...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
You little devil...... |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 674
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 4:58 pm: |
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Oh man you are scaring me now...darn |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 661
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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So??? Did you talk with him??? Did he get the point??? |
Brett Weir
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Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1645
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 7:50 pm: |
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VIG- I guarantee that the Pete Cross in the CHS Hall of Fame was not Bajou's man. I didn't even go to Columbia but I know Pete through all of my friends who did. He was a fixture in the school administration for about 35 years and was inducted in the HOF immediately and alone upon his retirement. He is (or was) a Maplewood resident and a gentleman through and through. Bajou's visitor may have the same name but he is obviously a very different sort. |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4635
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 6:02 am: |
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Just an odd coincidence! |
weekends
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Username: Weekends
Post Number: 119
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 12:37 pm: |
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Bajou,
When I read your first post I assumed that your son was five years old, tops.
A zillion posts later it turns out that he's a teenager!
Judging from your posts this might make you go ballistic, but from the description you have given of what happened on your porch it sounds like the exchange was perfectly reasonable. The guy even went so far as to provide your son a copy of the town ordinance regarding dogs; to me that sounds like someone trying to teach a helpful little civics lesson. What did I miss? Did he threaten your son somehow?
You won't agree with me again, but I don't see how you're doing your son any favors by acting like he's not old enough to be held responsible in this area. What did your son find "intimidating" in the conversation, other than being embarrassed because he knew now that he was caught not cleaning up after his dog?
It takes a village to raise children, particularly teenagers.
On the other hand, if the fellow on the porch threatened to break your son's arm, I'll be the first to say I'm wrong here. Did I miss that part of the story?
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Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 703
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 1:36 pm: |
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Dear weekends:
No I won't go ballistic...but what would make you think my child is 5 years old? I am assuming you are not a parent because then you would know he would not have been home alone if he was not of a certain age.
My son might be a teenager but it is clear that he is not the homeowner. I am all for confronting bad behavior the moment it happens but if you take the time to figure out where I live then take the time to talk to me. What would have happened if my daughter would have been home alone? She would have been completely panicked. My house lies all the way in the back of the main property and once you are on my porch you are no longer visible from any part of the street, or other houses. It was dark and the guy was aggravated.
This might sound wacky to you but I am going to say it anyway. A strange man showing up at my house after dark and having a talk with my children without my knowledge pisses me off to say the least. I am a single mother for the past 16 years and except for 4 of those years I have had to live with the very uncomfortable knowledge/fear that I am it if somebody breaks in. I am the only person that stands between a burglar/rapist/plain old wacko and my children. Unfortunately we have had a few not very pleasant events on those 16 years and I know what it takes to take care of my kids. Since the kids have gotten bigger it's a lot less stressful but a stranger showing up at the house who doesn't really identify himself and goes on speaking to my child not for 5, 10 but more like 15 minutes gets me pissed. How do I know what kind of guy it is? How does he know where I live? Will he stop back at 11PM cause its convenient for him? Is he a wacko...I don't know CAUSE I don't know the guy.
So take the time to address the homeowner if you have an issue. I don't know how often he has seen my son not picking up poop and why he hasn't told him off right then and there. Also there are about 8-10 different dogs walked daily in Mountain Station and trust me I have picked up plenty of other dogs poop. My son got in trouble and to disciplin him is my job. Some parents actually do try hard to be just that ..parents.
I did go and see the gentleman and I did tell him that my son has been reprimanded and punished. I also told him that he is to address me from now on and not my children. Strangely once I spent a week of my life to figure out who it was it turned out to be a guy I see outside of his house on a regular basis. Why he did not choose to approach me one of those times is beyond me.
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ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 2353
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:08 am: |
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Bajou.....I am not a dog-owner, but I am a single parent, and as such, share your fury over this neighbor approaching your son. Regardless of the reason, no neighbor has the right to talk to your child that way without you present (and even with you present). Absolutely, talk to the parent first, not the child or teenager. The child will still get the message, loud and clear.
It's challenging enough doing this single parent thing without worrying about who is knocking on your door intimidating your kids.
Separately, Pete Cross was the name of a guidance counselor at CHS for many years. From what I knew of him, he was a very nice man, and I cannot imagine that it was he who knocked on your door.
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Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 737
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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No I don't believe it's the same person. I don't know the guys first name but thim and his wife moved here not to long ago and he is too young to fit the bill. Thanks for understanding ess since alot of people might not know what it's like to be a single mother and live alone with your kids over a long period of time. That is the reason why I deceided years ago to get a big dog. I wanted to know that if I fail there is something else to stop somebody from hurting my kids. I went to Newark and asked for the biggest dog they had because of an incident we had at the house. So Sarge came to us, he has been a comfort to me because I felt safer, because he has always been there when I was lonely or sad. He has chosen to forsake my bedroom if one of the kids was sick or upset and has brought so much love and happyness to our house. All the kids in the neighborhood know him cause he sits and gives paw to the kids at the bus stop. Lots and lots of kids have slept over over the years and he loves them all and they love him. Even the kids who used to be afraid of dogs. He is just a big old lovey |
bets
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Username: Bets
Post Number: 23363
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:50 am: |
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I would like to meet him. |
weekends
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Username: Weekends
Post Number: 128
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Another way to look at it: The fellow at your door chose to talk to your son, to treat him as a responsible person, a young adult. It's a compliment to your son. Though clearly your son is not a homeowner, homeownership was NOT the issue. He could easily be a pet owner.
Your marital status colors your view of the world, but people who knock at your door have no clue, nor should they. It's your issue, not theirs.
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Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 749
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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Dear Weekends:
You are dead wrong. Pet ownership is the responsibility of the adult head of household. Even if this would be my sons dog, I would be legally responsible.
The "fellow" at my door did not just have a conversation with my son but had an issue to discuss. That "fellow" sees me every day when I walk my dogs. He has had plenty of opportunity to speak to me but never said a word.
As a matter of fact he didn't seem to happy when I came to his door. He seemed very uncomfortable. I did have the decency to show up when it was still light out and I introduced myself by extending my hand and stating my name. I also apologized for my son not picking up poop and told him that he has been punished for it.
My marital status has nothing to do with my view of the world. Safety is not an issue because I don't have a husband in the house to protect me. Safety is an issue because I am the only person standing in between a criminal and my children. Unfortunately I am not only guessing what it would feel like ... I know ... cause it happend to us.
Your judgement colors your view of people you don't know. Your problem.. not mine |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 2376
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 23, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
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Bajou - ^5. |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 6400
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 8:19 am: |
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Sounds like the neighbor can go around knocking on people's doors with his issues but he can't deal when they come to his door.
He could have just left a note in your mailbox with subject line, name and phone number so you could discuss in person, adult to adult, not adult to teenager. I find that very disturbing, especially if I was a single mom, which is stressful enough.
He seems to have bigger issues in his life than just dog poop.
So let's descend to his level X 10 and egg his house, paper his trees and penny him in! I always like to lean a big garbage can of water against the front door and ring the bell as well. Give him a real reason to knock at your door and yell at your kids.
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Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1466
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 8:36 am: |
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mem, remind me never to get on your bad side!  |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 758
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 10:02 am: |
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Dear SoParent:
You have no idea. Mem and I used to be roommates. Her ability to pull of a prank is legendary. She is the most creative prankster in the entire universe.
Its freakischly frightening. |
Winniegirl
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Username: Winniegirl
Post Number: 39
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 7:22 pm: |
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I don't mean to be inflammatory, but I've been peeking in on this thread and -- having been raised in a single parent household -- I was told not to answer the door if my mother wasn't home (unless of course I was expecting someone.) Might help in the future if something like this were to happen again. |
mem
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Username: Mem
Post Number: 6409
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 7:35 pm: |
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Baj,
Remember "The Hand"? I betcha I could still get you with that. |
weekends
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Username: Weekends
Post Number: 132
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 7, 2006 - 5:41 pm: |
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I'm going to step into this one last time, then I'm out of here.
As I see it, Ms. Hyperbole, there is no "dead wrong" in this situation. We simply have different ideas about parenting.
Because as it happens, I, too, have a teenage son. As it also happens, we do not have a dog. However, if my teenage son was walking the large metaphorical dog without a leash, and if my teenage son was letting that large dog poop in my neighbors' yards without cleaning up, I hope that my teenage son wouldn't wilt like a hothouse flower if a neighbor confronted him over his truly wretched behavior. Since my neighbors are nice people, I'd like to think one might even take the time and effort to print out the sections of the town code that pertain to the responsibilities of dog owners to show my son the error of his ways. Yes, I do agree with you: legally, as the adult, I would be responsible, but that isn't the point as I see it.
Further, I can't think of a more non-threatening location and time for this discussion to take place than the front porch of our home in the early evening, which, if I'm not mistaken, is when and where your son had a discussion of this sort?
That's it for me. Now you and your friends can have the chance to rattle your swords again, I don't care. Best of luck to you, your son, and your dog.
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