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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 717
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 3:34 am: | 
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Just a note to anyone who is interested (at 3:30am in the morning ) - when a trustee MOVES a RESOLUTION and it is SECONDED by another trustee - THAT PARTICULAR MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR..... YOU CANNOT trump a motion that is on the floor with a subsequent motion.
That's a special NOTE to the Village President or any trustee who is still not familiar with rules of order that govern municipalities...
Let's take a play by play with Sheena commentary...
1) Trustee Rosner moves to approve Dan Jacobs to the Parking Authority - it is seconded by Trustee Moore-Abrams - NOTE - THIS MOTION IS NOW 'LIVE' it's on the FLOOR - the VOTE MUST BE TAKEN. HOWEVER PROCEED TO #2.
2) Trustee Taylor moves to table the issue and Trustee Jennings provided the second...
Note: You can't do that...
In the MIDST of all of it - the BOT decided to 'discuss it' - I'm sorry... is there still a live motion on the table to approve Dan Jacobs...? 5 minutes later, please note, YES there is...
3) Eric tries to re-move the motion to approve and Mr. Matthews says "no... there's a motion to table..." Oh no no no no... supremacy... first - there was a MOTION TO APPROVE. Then someone says "Mr. President you can only vote in 'favor' of this resolution?" Excuse me? What? Who?
I'm sorry... I'm just a tad bit disturbed and I'm undoubtedly 'lord of the nerds' and I know the rules of order as if it were my sworn duty. And watching the meeting from Monday is making my head spin.
One special note - our fabulous Village Clerk is on top of her game because the only smile brought to my face during the entire meeting was watching her say "It was sent in an April 18th email... and I have the receipt in my office..."
Sorry for my CAPS and colors... I get a little carried away at this hour... now off to sleep.
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Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1070
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 3:56 am: |
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YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!.....
.......The touble is, THEY DID...
Enjoy your couple of hours sleep... |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4240
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 8:08 am: |
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Well said, Sheena. I'll post the video clip later today for those who missed it.... |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 580
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 9:10 am: |
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His Majesty's Voice, Lord Matthews.
jd |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4241
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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Watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8N2SFD5VJU
I'm no expert on "Roberts Rules of Order", but perhaps someone can find the relevant "rule" here: http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror--00.htm
Rumor has it his "objection" was to try to seat an African-American Male on the Parking Authority instead of the White Male the entire Board of Trustees had already approved. |
Sitoyan
Citizen
Username: Sitoyan
Post Number: 175
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 10:56 am: |
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What a circus! Dump them all.
Great job Sheena. We need watchdogs like you. |
Soparents
Citizen
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 1101
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 10:59 am: |
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Sheena for BOT!
It just means you will have to stay around for a while longer! |
tomp
Citizen
Username: Tomp
Post Number: 63
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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For what it's worth, my reading of Robert's Rules is that it's perfectly proper to move to table a motion that's under discussion. There are a number of "secondary" motions that may be made when a motion is on the floor for discussion, and this is one of them.
See http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-01.htm#8
and http://www.constitution.org/rror/rror-01.htm#10
(MHD: Thanks for the link to online Robert's Rules) |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 581
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 2:19 pm: |
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Who rules?
The Board, or LM? |
red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 275
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 9:02 pm: |
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Save this thread for next May's election.
Do we want leadership like this? How about politics 101.
Sheena. Thank you for bringing this up.
Serves as another example of how the town can't make progress. Even voting is a lengthy drawn out process without resoultion.
I motion to banish: wasteful spending; closed sessions; conflicts of interest by our BOT; the Tau; empty promises; and most of all - COMING SOONS!
Anyone second the motion? |
red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 276
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 16, 2006 - 9:11 pm: |
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I also motion for:
Accountability by our leaders. How many times are we told that the market will be opening soon. Summer 2004, Thanksgiving of 2005, spring 2007, ???
A strategic plan. Our leaders should compose and get buy-in from the residents on a multi-year targets that are achievable and will happen.
"Government under glass" Terri-ann made this promise during her campaign over a year ago. It's a great point and objective. Let's see it. No more secret sessions and votes.
Fiscal responsbility Why are we spending $500k on "art" while our fire department, police departments, and rescue squads are grossly under-financed and insufficiently supported.
Anyone second the motion? |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4242
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 12:21 am: |
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red - wait, you can't make another motion after the first motion has been made. We have to first have it seconded and THEN tabled. 
Boy...if I wasn't with another MOLer as my witness when these posts came in, I would have sworn they were written by me. Nice work.
In honor of the original post, I think all posts in this thread should be red. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5396
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 12:27 am: |
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Is it my computer or is the video choppy? |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 718
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 1:24 am: |
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MOL have mercey on anyone who had to hang out with MHD 
Edited to Add: No worries red_alert - we'll put all your points on the 'consent agenda' and approve them all at once... (you can do that) and, I second.
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joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 584
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 17, 2006 - 3:15 pm: |
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I second that emotion.
How do you do red?
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red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 279
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 12:41 pm: |
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At this point doesn't the motion go into a closed session?
These motions have been issues the town has been burdened with for many years.
Some options:
Short term: Get an independent audit of the town. We need to get our financial books and direction in order. Office of the Inspector General http://www.nj.gov/oig/ would do the trick. Residents should contact this office.
Keep the pressure on the trustees and leaders who are not holding their weight. (not naming names, but we all know know who they are)
Next May. Elect represntatives who will and can make change and remove the ones who block improvement (again, we all know who they are). It's time to get the momentum going.
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tomp
Citizen
Username: Tomp
Post Number: 64
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
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I'm disappointed that no one has acknowledged that the entire premise of this thread is bogus, namely, that Trustee Taylor's motion to table was entirely legitimate, and that Matthews was correct that the motion to table needed to be voted on before returning to the main question - in short, everything that Sheena was so inflamed about in her original 3am post. Instead, you beat the drum and hope no one notices. Real inspiring.
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 719
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
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tomp - the resolution item, in the agenda itself, which was approved, was the first call to action making the next two subsequent to the primary.
I read your post, appreciate that you took the time to look it up, yet disagree with you.
This is only one instance of about a million that I feel the VP has no control over these meetings. If you'd like to look up some more- check speaker limits, having the floor only when the chair recognizes you, needing to open for debate rather than rambling so that the public doesn't know who is speaking, the inability for anyone to call for points of decorum or 'orders of the day' when they get way off topic... and then there are motions that could be used to people's advantage such as putting 'timelines' on the various calls to action... but we never really see that.
I'd be happy to send you the latest updated book if you're interested in it and in the mean time, if you feel that I'm wrong, I respect that. I wasn't planning on combating you if you have a different interpretation than I do about what happened.
If you feel that the VP/BOT is in order and effective and efficient by the way that they currently operate - please come to the next meeting as I will be addressing my concerns about the way the meetings are conducted and you can refute it and say that I'm beating a drum that doesn't need to be played.
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red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 281
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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Sheena,
If available, please post links that illustrate proper meeting, voting protocols.
There are active BOT's who actively monitor this board. This would be a good opportunity to provide them with guidance they can pass on to the others. Hopefully it can help in the future.
This can also clarify the discussion points on this board. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 720
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
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red_alert - I actually can do better than that - I have a condensed version of hard copies for all of them. There's no point in me just complaining about the way the meetings are run if I don't plan to help alleviate what I see is a big problem. So I'm also offering any BOT member who is interested a training with myself and another individual who has many years of experience as an official parliamentarian. If they take me up on it great - if not, I can say that I tried... |
red_alert
Citizen
Username: Red_alert
Post Number: 282
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 18, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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That's great.
It would still be helpful to post some general reference links so all of us can understand the protocols.
Having the information available just a click away rather than searching you out for hard copies will lead to more success.
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Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 174
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 1:07 pm: |
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Sheena,
I would be helpful to post the hard copy - hopefully you have a copy in Acrobat or any pdf compatable format.
Good work, we need more people like you.
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tomp
Citizen
Username: Tomp
Post Number: 65
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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Current editions of Roberts Rules of Order are copyrighted. Even if you had a PDF copy, you couldn't post it. The version that MHD linked to earlier is the 1915 version, which is out of copyright. As far as I can tell, that's the most current version that it's legal to put online.
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