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SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 480
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 1:50 pm: | 
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I tried to go to the post office yesterday. It took me 30 minutes just to find a place, park and get there. Vose, Scotland and Taylor Place are all blocked at places near the PO.
I circled around, turned around, drove around and walked around. It is a nightmare down there, not to mention unnecessarily dangerous. In the course of doing so, I noticed a Parking Authority vehicle giving out parking tickets in the public lot behind the library. About 10-15 minutes later when I returned to my car, a police car was parked on Ralston(?), parallel to Taylor Place, and the officer appeared to be writing something as he sat next to the same lot.
It suddenly struck me that whoever decided to disrupt traffic in this small area simultaneously and block access to a much-used federal building (I doubt it was the village engineer), probably knew that people trying to get to the post office would be confused and forced to park in the wrong places behind the library. The Parking Authority was right there to increase revenues for him. I'm not sure about the police. |
Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 400
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 2:29 pm: |
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access to Scotland Road and adjoining sidestreets were closed due to construction. I called the police and was told over the phone that roads are periodically closed due to the road construction depending on the needs of the contractor doing the work. I was advised to try to avoid the area entirly if I could. Which is what I have been doing...
On the other hand though there are plenty of other post offices with quicker service then the South Orange Postoffice. I laugh at the 10minute spaces outside of it, because you sometimes need a full 30 minutes to get to a window. |
phd6786
Citizen
Username: Phd6786
Post Number: 37
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:06 pm: |
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Quote: It suddenly struck me that whoever decided to disrupt traffic in this small area simultaneously and block access to a much-used federal building (I doubt it was the village engineer), probably knew that people trying to get to the post office would be confused and forced to park in the wrong places behind the library. The Parking Authority was right there to increase revenues for him. I'm not sure about the police.
Now SOrising you have reached the ultimate level of paranoia. You, and some others like MHD and Dranove contribute a lot to our community with your vigilance in the BOT meetings and your diatribes here, but sometimes your conspiracy theories reach the ridiculous, like this one does.
Do you really believe that someone at the Parking Authority and Village Hall would think of the complex scheme you are describing to raise funds? If you do, you think very small. |
Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 228
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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"probably knew that people trying to get to the post office would be confused and forced to park in the wrong places behind the library. The Parking Authority was right there to increase revenues for him. I'm not sure about the police."
The Parking Authority is in that lot all the time giving tickets to people parked illegally. "To park in the wrong places" is just another way to say to park where they are not legally able to park and THAT is why they get a ticket-not because of some grand scheme.
Sometimes I can't find a spot RIGHT in front of somewhere either but that doesn't mean I park in the "wrong" places because it is more convenient for myself and expect not to get a ticket and if I do get a ticket then I try to blame it on an unethical conspiracy...
and what are these people getting confused about? are they from another town and don't know how to drive down the block where there are always quite a few spots always open down on vose, granted they may be a 2 minute walk, but hey...they aren't "wrong" spots....and who "forced" them to park illegally? now THAT is something to confuse a person!
your post sounds a little crazy IMHO |
argon_smythe
Citizen
Username: Argon_smythe
Post Number: 848
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 4:16 pm: |
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Yeah but paranoid or not, hey we really do need the money...
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phd6786
Citizen
Username: Phd6786
Post Number: 38
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |
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The bunch of self-appointed detectives we have on this board, combined with some amateur attorneys and gossipy newscasters, all with their persecution complexes, have made the threads on the South Orange topic very entertaining indeed. Their outlandish suspicions, their imaginative theories, their uninformed statements, all make me laugh.
Do you want to get a good giggle? Read all the conspiracy theories and some misinformation from beginning to end of the “SOPAC Cost Overruns/Change Orders” thread. A lot of “smoking guns” and “hush money”!!! It’s really amusing. It shows us the extent of wrong information flying all over this South Orange threads, and how extreme theories generated from that misinformation are translated into realities by those who don’t know how to distinguish reality from fantasy. Thankfully the Maplewood threads are less mean-spirited, less hostile, and much more pleasurable to read.
I do hope that the reader of these threads here considers the obsessively paranoid sources of the “information” flying around, and gives them the degree of attention and credence they deserve.
And, to dissuade their fears I declare that I am not “ONE OF THEM”. I am not associated with any member of the BOT, or the administration, or the Parking Authority, or the Library, or the pool, or the Little League, or the High School, or Seton Hall, or the Rotary Club, or Bunny’s, or president Clinton, or the CIA, or the FBI, or the KGB. I am just a resident of the Village, an avid reader of MOL, who is tired of the negativity on these threads, and want to read some more positive posts, without the racism, the sarcasm, the ugly hostility, and personal attacks present here. I could also do without the long literary essays that prevail in many threads. Only then would we approach these threads not as a source of laughter because of their lunatic writers, but as a serious source of information, of reasonable commentary, and civil exchange of opinions.
Can’t we just be positive, and try to correct what we see wrong by actions other than spending our time till the wee hours bitching on MOL, but rather by getting out there and volunteering in the many venues available to us to better our town, and by preparing a good slate of candidates for the 2007 election which is only 10 months away? Can’t we?
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joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 684
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 9:24 pm: |
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Positive means another election coming soon.
jd |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 483
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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Fact: The village administrator recently tried to get his wife appointed to the Parking Authority; it is on his mind as a desirable appointment
Fact: The Parking Authority is a significant source of revenue to the village
Fact: Budget shortfalls this year in SO have increased exponentially
Fact: The BOT and administrator are pushing a SID on people who don't want it; a SID has great bonding power over and above the statutorily imposed limits on the town
Fact: The BOT approved another 3-4 million in debt Monday night for SOPAC
Known: The village administrator is a micromanager, often overruling, blocking and failing to follow professional advice;
Evident: Highly unlikely the village administrator is unaware of the construction and construction schedule on VOSE, Scotland and Taylor Place
Evident: The administrator is under increasing pressure as rising debt and unfinished development creates increasing budgetary shortfalls moving forward
Fact: 6786 has a long-standing pattern of attacking criticism of the town administration and current BOT
Fact: 6786 does not recognize or acknowledge, and often denies, much that is apparent to better-informed observers who outnumber her
Evident: 6786 is a consistent apologist for unacceptable practices of current leadership and frequently a source of disinformation for them
Indeterminate: relation 6786 has to current leadership
Conclusion: 6786 is untrustworthy when remarking on the behavior of current town leadership; her "my-town-is-not-gripped-by-corrupt-and-inept-practices" rose-colored glasses are most reliable as a statement of wish fulfillment; if mistaken for reality, they are hazardous to SO's health |
Mary32
Citizen
Username: Mary32
Post Number: 37
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:34 am: |
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I agree with phd. This is a regular phenomenon here. It’s a process followed by a small group that is obsessed by the “conspiracy theory”.
The calculated questioning hypotheses of a few (like the oldtimers/cognoscenti: Howard Levison, Spitz, Peteglider, Dave, Rastro, Vermontgolfer) are grabbed by some (like the “attack dogs” Jayjay, Joel Dranove) and transformed into "facts"; then others (those obsessed by conspiracy theories like SOrising, MayhewDrive, Susan1014) theorize on these “facts” and concoct a “conspiracy”; then others (like Just the Aunt, Soparents) elaborate on this “conspiracy” as a reality for all to read and panic; and finally others (like the vocal Steve Hickson, Parkingsux) post here their angry remarks. All in the name of a better South Orange?
A lot of time and energy wasted here, instead of going out there and look for a solid candidate for Village President who will oust any VP candidate coming from the incumbents.
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Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 229
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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What does any of that have to do with people getting tickets for parking illegally?
I agree 100% that there are issues with the town government (understatement of the year) but what does ANY of that have to do with a person who is parked illegally getting a ticket for doing it?
i'm just not following how all of the facts above lead to your conclusion that it was an unethical scheme to hand out parking tickets the other day? |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4415
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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Quote:those obsessed by conspiracy theories like SOrising, MayhewDrive, Susan1014) theorize on these “facts” and concoct a “conspiracy”
Conspiracy theories? Please. You may not agree with my posts, but what "conspiracy theories" have I been "obsessed with"?
An even better question is what "conspiracy theories" has Susan1014 ever mentioned? She is one of the most level-headed posters here.
I intentionally stayed away from this thread because I thought it was silly, so why are you dragging us into it? |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1675
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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Have you ever noticed the tendency to tar anyone who discusses unpleasant/unpopular topics with the term "conspiracy theorist"?
I've had it applied to me twice today on MOL -- a personal best (even for my day off). Unfortunately, for this thread I don't have a carefully researched Wall Street Journal article as back-up. Information in South Orange isn't clear enough for that!
I have no opinion on the parking ticked issue, other than that the Vose fence is rapidly becomeing a disgrace (I drove by it this morning, and parts look ready to topple).
Interesting how Mary attacks the reputations of many of the people concerned with change in this town, and then makes a plea for good new candidates...I'll do my bit to help as candidacies gel, but I don't expect her to be the one bringing me the quality candidates. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 1676
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:25 pm: |
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Gosh thanks, MHD! Keep up your good work. |
Soparents
Supporter
Username: Soparents
Post Number: 2024
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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I've just seen this thread. I have not made a comment on this thread, but my name is here. oh well.
Susan1014 mentions Vose. I had e-mailed our Village Administrator on 6/19 and he very kindly replied on 6/21 letting me know that a temporary remedy would be in place in a couple of weeks. The timeline had passed and I took the opportunity to ask him Monday night for a update which he gave and I would hope to see a solution forthcoming. I also asked to him address the litter etc as the area does look rather dire, which he said he had seen, and I am sure this will also be seen to.
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SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 488
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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Lucy Smith, an important feature I did not state is that the disrupted traffic patterns, congestion, one-way streets, blocked areas, etc., deny easy or any access to parking spaces in the area. This in turn means there are more people down there with even fewer parking slots. Many find their way into the parking lot behind the library, which has different kinds of parking in it. The chances of more people parking in the wrong spaces is predictably increased and sustained for the duration of the construction of the three roads. Unless they don't want to complete their business in that area, the probability increases that they will park in the wrong place, for whatever reason, and the revenue for tickets as long as the roads are disrupted, is predictably increased, even if the PA were NOT to increase its visitations to the area. If the PA were to increase its visitations, the increase in revenues would be even greater. |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 687
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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I am a fact dog.
The facts hurt more than a dog bite, (maybe nibble).
Thanks to those who filled in craters on Scotland Road Tuesday, after my fact strewn presentation Monday night about the dangerous conditions there.
Mary 32, many are interested in replacing the 16 year reign, marked by development desuetude, and financial ineptness.
jd
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vermontgolfer
Supporter
Username: Vermontgolfer
Post Number: 482
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 3:18 pm: |
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Mary 32
"(like the oldtimers/cognoscenti: Howard Levison, Spitz, Peteglider, Dave, Rastro, Vermontgolfer)"
I resent being referred to as an 'oldtimer', but thanks for the compliment about being a 'cognoscenti', per The American Heritage College Dictionary and I quote "A person with superior knowledge or highly refined taste; a connoisseur"
Hope my clients read this!  |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3572
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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I'm feeling very left out. I was one of the ones talking about conspiracy theories in the other thread that phd is referencing. And, well, maybe it was the audience, but I was JOKING. Besides, anyone who has read some of my soapbox posts knows I am more incognoscenti than cognoscenti.
I have to agree with MHD, too. He and Susan are not conspiracy theorists. I find Steve Hickson's remarks entertaining. Perhaps I'm missing something when I read them.
I won't comment on the others. Not because I agree with the characterisations. I just don't want to be attacked too.
(just kidding, guys! really!  ) |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 23543
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 5:09 pm: |
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I can't believe "mary32" compared SO Parents to JTA! They have two completely different posting styles! I think old "mary32" may be starting a little early, if you get my drift. |
phd6786
Citizen
Username: Phd6786
Post Number: 39
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 5:57 pm: |
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Quote:Evident: 6786 is a consistent apologist for unacceptable practices of current leadership and frequently a source of disinformation for them
Indeterminate: relation 6786 has to current leadership
Conclusion: 6786 is untrustworthy when remarking on the behavior of current town leadership; her "my-town-is-not-gripped-by-corrupt-and-inept-practices" rose-colored glasses are most reliable as a statement of wish fulfillment; if mistaken for reality, they are hazardous to SO's health
More paranoia from SOrising. If, in exercizing my right of free speech, I don't agree with his theories I must be ONE OF THEM and untrustworthy. The only trustworthy are those who go along with SOrising conspiracy theories. It's always us and them. He, and his associates, have divided the Village into two factions: us and them. There cannot be independent thinkers in their world. Pitiful.
Okay SOrising I give up, you caught me. I am one of them. I am related to three trustees and the Village president, I am on the Village's payroll as well as that of the Parking Authority and the Prescription Counter, I plan to run for office next election, and I own Millennium and Targeted Solutions. That doesn't diminish your paranoia and persecution complex apparent on your first post on this thread, and most of your other posts. |
SOrising
Citizen
Username: Sorising
Post Number: 493
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 7:14 pm: |
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Right, 6786, now all believe you are the good guy (woman), full of moderation in contrast to those who can't see straight. You're not one of them, you are completely original, how silly of me.
A right to free speech does not vouchsafe the quality of speech, less so once the right has been foolishly exercised. |
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