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Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 650
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:36 am: | 
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The Village does not control that lot even after the BOT asked on numerous occasions for the Village Counsel to coordinate with the BOE Counsel for after school hours control. When he at long last did, the answer was NO. |
Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 14
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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Two posts with a heavy chain locked onto each might solve the problem.
These could be placed at each entrance to the SO Jr. High parking lot.
Posted signs would state that during those months of summer when the pool is operating, the lot will be open from ***9:30 AM to ***9:30 PM for recreation-related parking only.
No parking would be allowed from***9:30 PM. to***9:30 AM. Violaters' cars would be ticketed or towed.
Pool personnel would unlock the chains each morning.
The SO police would lock them at night after ticketing, or arranging for a tow, of any remaining vehicles still parked there.
Proceeds from the ticketing/towing operation could be split 50/50 between the village and the BOE ( a little carrot on the stick action for the BOE...).
NOTE: *** means a suggested time frame
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ril
Citizen
Username: Ril
Post Number: 580
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:10 pm: |
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The pool is open from 6:15-8 a.m. (?) for early lap swimmers. How can you tell those people from commuters who are parking for the train?
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1461
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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Yeah and for swim team practice is from 8-9:15. Another idea down the toilet. |
Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 15
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:24 pm: |
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I believe the post and chain, ticket and tow idea can work if the pool schedule was rearranged. For example, the AM lap swim for commuters could become a PM lap swim for commuters, say from 7 to 8:30 PM.
The swim team could practice later, say from 10 AM to 11:15 AM.
Swimming lessons for children and adults would take place on those days when the swim team would not be practicing.
The opening and closing time for general swimming could be adjusted, too.
I think the solution to the parking dilemma might be solved by what used to be called the "Parks and Recreation Advisory Board". Even though it has a new name now (Parks and Cultural Affairs ???), I'm sure it still exists as an advisory board to the Trustees. One member of it chairs their swimming pool committee. And, one member of the Board of Trustees attends all of their meetings.
A few MOLers might want to contact Andy Brady's office to find out the date of the Recreation Advisory Board's next meeting. By attending it, they could discuss the pool's parking problem and any pool schedule adjustments that might have to be made to solve it. They could also present additional ideas to resolve the problem such as the post and chain/ticket and tow concept.
The Parks and Recreation Advisory Board and Andy Brady could then use those ideas to develop a viable solution that the Trustees and BOE jointly approve of for next year's swim season. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3979
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:33 pm: |
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There is a meeting of the Recreation and Cultural Affairs Advisory Committee this evening at 7:30pm at the Baird. I'll be happy to recognize the public who wish to come forward to address their concerns. Parking is a major issue throughout the downtown, and to the extent it impacts residents' use of the pool is a shame. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 4431
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:41 pm: |
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Careful what you wish for. If enough people complain about parking at the pool, Calabrese & Taylor will probably suggest getting rid of the pool so they can say they "solved" a problem. What does a pool have to do with being an "Arts Community", right?  |
ril
Citizen
Username: Ril
Post Number: 581
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:45 pm: |
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It's wonderful that the pool is open for swimmers early in the morning. (Evenings wouldn't work for many of these people--family obligations, work schedules, etc.) I would hate to see that change because some people are abusing the parking. It hardly seems fair to penalize those who ARE following the rules. |
Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 232
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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There is always plenty of parking on Vose right up from Baird...and I would have to disagree that "way over at the top of Mead Street" is really that far-some of the spots IN the lot (near SOA) are about the same distance. I see tons of people (with toddlers in hand) walking down vose then mead then across the field to the pool every single day. Why is this the lot the only option?
I would hope that anyone who is in charge of maintaining pool hours would NEVER consider rearranging pool hours that have been in place and have worked for all participants because some people can't find parking. Also, the AM lap swim is NOT solely for commuters-the seniors in our town use it as well and asking them to swim later at night because younger people don't want to walk a little distance is absolutely absurd. Most have the energy to get their needed excercise in the mornings-not after a full day. |
Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 16
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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Ril -- The early morning swim could be maintained if those lap swimmers, and pool staff, were willing to park their vehicles in Baird Center's parking lot and walk across to the pool...
Pizzaz -- I commend you for wanting to approach the Recreation Advisory Board tonight. I hope other MOLers will join you. If they can't make tonight's meeting due to such short notice, could you post the date of next month's meeting so they can plan to attend then?
As a former member of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board from 1976 to 1989, and a former Chairman of their Pool Committee, I know you'll be warmly received by the current board. After all, they are an "advisory" board to the Trustees. It's their job to discuss and make recommendations to the Trustees in an attempt to resolve whatever recreation-related problem you've brought to the table. I would like to join you tonight. However, since retiring I've moved to another state.
I look forward to reading about tonight's meeting in some of your future posts. Perhaps you could influence one or more of the Recreation Advisory Board members, especially the chairman of their Pool Committee, to check MOL daily for updates on the pool. Thanks... |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3980
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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Maryann, I am the chair to the advisory board. I will mention this issue to the chair of the pool sub-committee. I welcome all to come out and attend tonight's meeting and raise the issues of concern to you. There is no time limit imposed by this chair to any speaker who comes forward. Have at it, if you will..... 
Thanks |
joel dranove
Citizen
Username: Jdranove
Post Number: 739
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:30 pm: |
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Was the answer NO as in I won't do it?
jd |
Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 17
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:34 pm: |
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Pizzaz -- In addition to discussing pool parking at tonight's meeting, would mind asking the pool sub-committee's chairman to clarify the Cameron Field "pool property" issues discussed here at MOL under the "Pool Property" thread? Namely, has any portion of Cameron Field been given away or used to create a buffer for the Beifus project? Thanks...
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Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 18
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:36 pm: |
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Pizzaz -- In addition to discussing pool parking at tonight's meeting, would you mind asking the pool sub-committee's chairman to clarify the Cameron Field "pool property" issues discussed here at MOL under the "Pool Property" thread? Namely, has any portion of Cameron Field been given away or used to create a buffer for the Beifus project? Thanks...
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3981
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:46 pm: |
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I think the answer to the question was stated in another thread. Namely, the buffer now exists on the pool side vs. the Beifus side. Does this buffer impact upon the deed restriction? I don't know, but I think this goes beyond the purview of the advisory committee and should be addressed by the Planning Board attorney or village counsel. It still remains to be seen what will be built on the Beifus property? |
Nancy - LibraryLady
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3695
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:55 pm: |
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If the lot had (No parking 9-11am M-F )signs and that regulation was enforced, the early birds and team swimmers would have their time and the commuters wouldn't be able to park. Employees could get parking stickers. At 4 pm today the pool was fairly empty, yet the lot was full. |
Fitzhume
Citizen
Username: Fitzhume
Post Number: 11
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
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How about people just take a few minutes to look around for a spot? |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5685
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 6:59 pm: |
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That's the problem Fitz. A lot of times there are NO spots at all in the lot. There seems to be a bigger, unfair problem here. We have people parking in the lot to jump on the train. How many of those are from out of South Orange? It seems unfair there are people paying hundreds of dollars to park in the NJ Transit lot, while people who park behind the school park for free, creating less parking for residents who want to use the pool.
I am one of those who don't think the pool hours should be changed. What needs to change is the parking situation; not only in the school lot, but on Meadowbrook.
Handicap spaces are a different story. I'm really tempted to go down to the school every day this week to check for placards and plates. Don't have one? Be prepared to get a $250 ticket! |
StellaLuna
Citizen
Username: Stellaluna
Post Number: 59
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 8:53 pm: |
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I agree that the pool parking situation needs attention. My son guards early-birds, yet when he gets there, there are already cars in the lot and they do not belong to the early bird swimmers. They arrive after he gets there.
Glock -- we appreciate your input but I am there every day for several hours and I have seen you but once. You are not there "pretty much all day every day." Please stop pretending that you are a "big-time" swimmer. It is annoying to those of us who know who you are. |
Maryann
Citizen
Username: Maryann
Post Number: 19
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 9:20 pm: |
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I wonder what will happen this Fall when SOMS reopens and there isn't enough parking space in the lot for its staff and parents... |
growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 986
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 11:22 pm: |
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I really didn't know how much of a parking problem there was on the weekdays until today. At 1pm I went with the wee one for a fun filled day. What was filled was the parking lot. I counted maybe 20 families at the pool at the time we got there yet there was not one spot to park. At least the Handicap spots were clear.
I think that a parking sticker should be given to each badge holder at the time of renewal. If the cars parked in the lot do not have a sticker, ticket them. If that does not help, tow them. At some point the offenders that park there all day will get the message and park someplace else. |
Crazy_quilter
Citizen
Username: Crazy_quilter
Post Number: 373
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 9:21 am: |
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two ideas:
1) paint lines to fit in a few more cars.
2) put up a sign that says "parking is for pool use only"
there are some conscientious people who wouldn't park there if there was a sign and that might leave enough room for pool goers. maybe the little street that lets out onto South Orange Ave. could be designated for commuters?
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Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 1039
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 9:48 pm: |
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I don't go to the pool since the kids are in camp, but just try to park on Wednesday to pick up some fresh veggies at the Farmer's Market - jeesh!! Last summer it was easy to find a spot - usually one quite close to the duck pond! |
