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e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 275
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 12:26 am: | 
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so has anyone seen the crossing guard at third and valley in south orange lately? i have recently noticed that every time i pass him he is smoking. i just wanted to get everyones opinion on this.
i personally feel that whatever a man does on his own time is fine however when your job is to cross school children across an intersection a different standard must be held and i really dont think he should be smoking. |
LibraryLady(ncjanow)
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 2098
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 8:31 am: |
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We might not like it but smoking is still not illegal. |
Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 241
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 9:05 am: |
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I agree he shouldn't be smoking on the job. Especially when he's responsible for crossing children. If he's on his break, that's a different srory. LL are YOU allowed to smoke on the job? |
redY67
Citizen
Username: Redy67
Post Number: 545
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 9:56 am: |
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I don't think it is a question of smoking being illegal. It is a question of should he be smoking near children? Absolutely not! |
LibraryLady(ncjanow)
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 9:58 am: |
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There no smoking inside of the building but if I was a construction worker, yes probably I would be allowed.
Don't get me wrong..I detest smoke as much as anyone, with my allergies and asthma.
But smoking is NOT illegal. Either make it so like prohibition was or marijuana is, or cut him some slack. |
redY67
Citizen
Username: Redy67
Post Number: 546
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 10:09 am: |
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I think as a crossing guard, working around children, you don't cut him slack. |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 2298
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 10:43 am: |
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I think that if the staff of the South Orange Public Library is allowed to go topless every Friday afternoon, a crossing guard should be allowed to smoke...
Jeez.
-s. |
shh
Citizen
Username: Shh
Post Number: 2007
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 10:47 am: |
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A crossing guard should not be smoking while on duty. No way. |
mjc
Citizen
Username: Mjc
Post Number: 123
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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I have often seen him on duty when no children are present, a very pleasant guy. I have no problem with his smoking then. Is someone saying he's smoking when the kids are there? |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 277
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 7, 2005 - 10:37 pm: |
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yea buy mjc if he is on duty as a crossing guard children could be present at any time throughout his shift.
i would think the prudent step would be to not smoke at all while he is on duty. |
Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 243
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 8, 2005 - 1:30 pm: |
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How about police officers who smoke on duty? As role models for children I don't think crossing guards or police officers should be smoking in uniform period! |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 280
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 8, 2005 - 4:42 pm: |
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i agree with you taylor, the only reason i said crossing guards was that i had seen that one in particular guard smoking many times on duty.
however i do agree with you, i feel that any offical should not smoke in the performance of their duties including police officers, crossing guards, and firefighters ( i have occasionally seen of few of them smoking between the two trailors) |
Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 244
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 8, 2005 - 10:18 pm: |
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E I use to ride a diaster squad. I was amazed at the number of firefighters who smoked! They'd be sitting there taking a break from fighting the fire, with a cigarette.
If the firefighters want to smoke INSIDE the firehouse, that's their problem. But outside? And how does one determine (if God forbid they get cancer) what caused it? Job hazard or the smoking?
Something I think is gross, healthcare providers who smoke! I've thrown dr's, nurses etc that smelt like smoke out of my and family's hospital rooms. If I'm going to a new healthcare provider I always ask if the dr smokes.
Only once did the staff lie to me. I could smell the smoke as soon as the dr walked in the room. When I asked th dr if he smoked,he said "yes." I told him I didn't appreciate the staff not telling me when I called "he didn't smoke." The dr was very defensive; didn't even apologize for his staff lying to me.
Told him "I'm sorry I am sensitive to the smell of smoke and do not wish to have a dr who smokes." With that, I walked out. |
Joe Citizen
Citizen
Username: Joecitizen07079
Post Number: 23
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 1:43 am: |
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Hey, if you want to go after public employees smoking while they are working then why don't you start at the top with the Village Administrator, and stop nit picking at a man who is a part time employee who from what I have seen has a pretty good track record of showing up to work and preventing us from having to pay a police officer to stand at yet another school gaurd post. I think that a man who stands on that corner every day knows when the children will be around beter than you I or anyone else, and I've never seen him smoke infront of kids. |
Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 246
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 9:16 am: |
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Bill Calabrese smokes? I don't think so...
Fred, I wouldn't know...
The crossing guard being a part-time employee makes it even worse. He stands there what, about an hour? If he can't be without a smoke for an hour the man has a serious problem. Smoking, though legal, most times is an ADDICTION!!! And it sets a bad example for the kids.
I agree IF a Village Administrator smokes on the clock, he shouldn't either. Unless it's on his break. But they don't wear a uniform.
Another gripe I have is the community center is supposed to be a smoke free building. BUT the director of the Rec Dept smokes IN THE BUILDING!!! And the fire chief KNOWS this!
I can't wait for Jersey to follow some of the other states where smoking is banned in public places!!! |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 1402
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 10:18 am: |
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Unfortunately for you Smoking in NJ will never be banned in public places. The simple reason – Gambling. With the taxes the state gets from AC and one of the worlds largest Race Tracks, I doubt that lawmakers would go against their wishes.
Being a smoker I don’t think the guy should smoke while working, and if he’s only there for an hour or two he really shouldn’t need to. But if it’s more then that the guy should get a chance to take a 5 min break and have a smoke.
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Angus MacGuyver
Citizen
Username: Macgyver
Post Number: 3
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 11:42 am: |
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Why can't we be thankful that someone is even their to cross our kids?! I know exactly who you are talking about. I walk past him on my way to work and he is quite nice. He's an older man who enjoys his job & and enjoys the kids.
Most of those kids probably watch their parents smoke when they get home. Lets not focus on his habbit. Lets focus on him being there to get our kids safely to school.
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Katie Clayton
Citizen
Username: Grovykndofluv
Post Number: 117
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 8:43 pm: |
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i agree w/ mac guyver.... come on this is silly..he's not forcing smokes in the kids hands...and i have never heard a kid say they started smoking because the crossing guard did... |
Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 249
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 10:03 pm: |
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Angus-
I don't know about being 'Thankful someone is there to cross the kids...' He does get paid afterall. So it's not like he's doing anybody this great favor. If he wanted to volunteer his time to cross the kds, that's another story.
I don't know about it being 'silly' Katie. Smoking is a major healthcare concern. Would you think any of the subjects you started were 'silly?' If he wants to smoke on his own time that's one thing, on the town clock that should be another... |
e roberts
Citizen
Username: Wnwd00
Post Number: 281
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 9, 2005 - 10:23 pm: |
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taylor, it is not just about being a town employee though it is about being a position that is looked up as one of responsibility by children which is why i ended up talking about police and fire above. i mean honestly it does not bother me one bit if other town works such as DPW, and town hall administrators smoke.
the issue is someone the children are looking for to provide some sense of protection or reassurement or for whatever reason they give for having crossing guards is the same reason why they should not be able to smoke while on the job and i do agree with what others have said that cops and firefighters also should not be smoking on the job as well for the same reasons. |
Mayor McCheese
Citizen
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 66
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 1:46 am: |
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I don't think smoking in any way impairs his ability to help the children. I would rather have him out there working and smoking, than have him out there distracted because he can't have a cigarette.
This is probably the most ridiculous thread I have read so far. It's outdoors, no one has health at risk but his (and that’s his choice) and he does his job well. This isn't crack, it's tobacco.
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LibraryLady(ncjanow)
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 2102
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 6:49 am: |
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If we are worrting about his "bad influence" on the kid, sure hope he isn't eating McDonalds or other junk food while working as well.
As I said before, smoking is still legal, especially outdoors. While it would be nice and considerate for him not to smoke when there are kids around, he is within his rights to do it. I detest it, it's a filthy habit but it is NOT against the law...yet.
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Rod
Citizen
Username: Skimrod
Post Number: 37
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 8:50 am: |
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Leave the guy alone for crying out loud. The man just wants to help the kids get to and from school and make a couple bucks. If I were him and read this thread I would tell all of you to go and cross your own kids. It's not like he's offering butts to the kids......... |
Katie Clayton
Citizen
Username: Grovykndofluv
Post Number: 126
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 12:17 pm: |
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has anyone acutally seen him smoking while crossing the kids?? this is so stupid.... |
vermontgolfer
Citizen
Username: Vermontgolfer
Post Number: 288
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 10, 2005 - 10:40 pm: |
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Hey, if you want to talk about crossing guards, how about the one on South Orange Ave at the Middle School who refuses to stop cars from making a left hand turn out of the school lot. In fact, one day a few months ago an officer was there and he didn't even stop them. Smoking is offensive yes, but doing your job effectively is more important.
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Taylor M
Citizen
Username: Anotherusername
Post Number: 252
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 6:33 am: |
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I didn't realize you weren't allowed to turn left onto South Orange Ave from the school / pool lot. Who'd want to turn left into that traffic nightmare anyway?  |
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