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     Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 2557 Registered: 5-2001  |
Shelley: You are not SoOrLady. We all know this. And you have not been elected to any governmental post in our Village, by anyone. We all know this as well. You, however, occasionally seem to forget it. Helping to form an organization is quite a different thing from successfully running for office. The operative word here, to quote you, is also "successfully". -s. BTW: Perhaps if you were less negative, less strident, and less prone to oversimplification and generalization in your rhetoric, people might take you more seriously. | |||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1470 Registered: 11-2001  |
I for one thank Shelley for speaking up and being involved in the community. She has "successfully" formed a new group in town whose primary purpose is to support the DRMC efforts and communicate concerns in the process. We now see some willingness upon the public officials to enjoin public debate and participation. It's long overdue. South Orange is not a kingdom, so get off your high stool Soda, you're a midget compared to her. | |||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 1876 Registered: 5-2001  |
I also commend Shelly for her willingness to bring things to the forefront and raise serious issues that face us all in the town. BTW: If some other people took off their permanently rose-colored glasses, people might take them more seriously. | |||
| Matt Foley Citizen Username: Mattfoley Post Number: 90 Registered: 6-2004 |
"Indiana Foley and The Search For The Storage Tank" or "Pirates of the Pit" or "Little Rug Shop 'O Horrors" Duncan-I'm ready for production. No budget yet but we'll find the money. | |||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 2559 Registered: 5-2001 |
I certainly approve of Ms. Stile (and EVERY other concerned Villager) being personally involved in the ongoing debate (here on MOL and elsewhere) over issues, policies, and projects that affect South Orange. However, it's crucial TO that debate that those involved stick to relevant facts when forming their arguments, and make those arguments truthful, useful, and in the form of reasonable discourse. They should expect that any inaccuracies, baseless rumors or speculation, unsubstantiated rhetorical questions, and other bogus forms of debate will be pointed out by other concerned parties in the arena. Also, if they're hoping to have any real impact on the local political and civic conversation, they'd be well-advised to refrain from making emotionally-driven negative personal remarks about ANYONE in the community, whether they be an office-holder or not. Voters expect all candidates (for BOT, BOE, or whatever) to observe such guidelines, and supporters of these candidates (open or otherwise) do them no service by straying into innuendo and immature name-calling. -s. BTW: Public debate is an essay test, not a short-answer quiz. Grammar, spelling, and proper usage matter. So do logic and persuasive ideas. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all remember that? | |||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1472 Registered: 11-2001 |
Yeah, right. The one candidates debate held at the election two years ago was a real essay in the illogic and lack of commitment to ideas provided for public consumption by the incumbents. Why did they restrict the debates to only one? Oh, you're right they had some exchange on WSOU at 7:00am on Saturday morning sometime before the election. The essay for today: Please tell us your view on the establishment of a redevelopment committee comprised soley of the the Village President, Village Attorney and Town Administrator/Treasurer/CFO/LifeGuard etc...? -b. BTW: Does your wife like the 5 pounds of chocolate you got for her today? | |||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 2560 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here's her response:
-s. BTW: I was kidding... | |||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1473 Registered: 11-2001 |
I hear she leaves the nut filled ones at home. -b. BTW: I was kidding...  | |||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 2562 Registered: 5-2001 |
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| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1693 Registered: 4-2002 |
Just as a follow-up with some facts about the oil tank that was alluded to by Shelley Stile/SOAR in the first post. After it was discovered, it was removed - undamaged and there was no leaking. The soil was tested as required by the DEP and no contamination was found. Obviously there are official reports and that tank removal was done by a professional firm. Shelley: That is what I mean by seeing the negatives. You took a situation and only saw the negatives without checking the facts. Nobody has disagreed that the building does not have design limitations. By the same token nobody has stated that theater could lose $800,000 a year (highest number I heard quoted was $500,000 not that I would find that acceptable). It is fine to recognize and discuss the problems there might be with SOPAC without exaggerations. For instance, the original design firm stated that the building even with all the improvements and add-ons would cost less than $10,000,000 (in fact it came in at over $12,000,000). Their estimates were way off and that is one of the reasons they were eventually fired. That also goest back to 1998 (I was not on the board then) and earlier. By the way, the person who posted above was SoOrLady (as in South Orange Lady) and at no time did I think nor did she lead anyone to believe that she was representing SOAR or you. | |||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 1770 Registered: 9-2003 |
Thank you Mark!  And thanks for getting the facts regarding the oil tank. I will assume that the soil at Sayad's site - whether legally taken or not - is also "clean" | |||
| doublea Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 883 Registered: 3-2003 |
SoOrLady - The Planning Board is not satisfied that it is clean.That is the reason they have asked Sayed to have a sample taken. Please refer to my post above 2/11/05 5:12p.m. Although it may not be contaminated with oil, it may be contaminated with excess levels of pesticides. Let's see what Mark says (if our posts haven't crossed). | |||
| Mayor McCheese Citizen Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 162 Registered: 7-2004  |
No oil leaked out of the tank? I'm suprised, for days that pit smelled of oil and all the mud that was tracked out those front gates had oil mixed with it | |||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1474 Registered: 11-2001 |
Did you really want to hear the facts to the oil tank or would you prefer we ignore unpleasant issues?  | |||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1696 Registered: 4-2002 |
SoOrLady: I have not been given a report on the soil at Sayad"s site. I have been told that it was legally transferred. | |||
| doublea Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 884 Registered: 3-2003 |
Mark - The facts are as I have described above. Sayed failed to obtain a soil disturbance permit from the planning board. When asked to get a soil sample at the January meeting,he came back last week and instead of obtaining a soil sample from his site, he relied on a sample taken from the SOPAC site which showed excess amounts of pesticides. For confirmation, check with Sal, Janine Bauer, Anabile or anyone on the planning board. I'm just reporting what happened in a public meeting. I've listened to the last two planning board meetings, and my comments have been pretty subdued. Some of the planning board members weren't as subdued. , | |||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 1773 Registered: 9-2003 |
Pizzaz - you and Mayor are suggesting very serious criminal actions by SOPAC. Why not hire your own independant contractor and have the soil tested yourselves? Perhaps SOAR would help with the financing? To continue to allude to contamination when Mark has indicated that there are reports available to the contrary is irresponsible. Prove them wrong if you can, or accept Mark's word. | |||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1698 Registered: 4-2002 |
doubleA: I did not say anything to contradict you or doubt what you reported. As of now, we do not know if the soil is contaminated with pesticides (or anything else) and what will be done. | |||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1475 Registered: 11-2001 |
Public health, code enforcement, construction due diligence, adequate oversight and control, etc.... We've got plenty to go around, would you like to contribute? | |||
| doublea Supporter Username: Doublea Post Number: 885 Registered: 3-2003 |
Hopefully a lot of these questions will be answered these evening when the Village President gives a redevelopment update. I guess my frustration shouldn't have been directed at you, but at whoever told you it was legally transferred. According to the planning board, it wasn't. Peace. |
