| Author | Message | ||
     Larry David Citizen Username: Larry_david Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2005 |
User58, I don't know the owner of Town Hall Deli and his thinking, but do agree with you that our town would be better with the Deli than the bank. Let's hope he really does open the new place soon. Like I said earlier, Washashore (just think about the name for a minute what washed a shore? Must be stinky fish) is more interested in causing more problems and complaining than taking a pro-active approach and walking the village with Mark Rosner. I agree with Mr. Rosner that Washashore wants to remain anonymous and that wouldn't be possible walking around town. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 927 Registered: 1-2004  |
hari- When you put it that way -it's more fun to blame the BOt - I have to agree!  | ||
| Washashore Citizen Username: Washashore Post Number: 222 Registered: 4-2003 |
User58: Well, I must say your post #50 is rather compelling. So I will concede you did earn points. But perhaps for every point you earned, you could lose points for the things you did not mention, namely: the Beifus site fiasco, the Shop RIte site debacle, the Sickley site years-long vacancy, the $700,000+ dollars paid to the first SOPAC architect totally spent for naught when the "geniiuses" in Town Hall fired them and hired a design-build firm with roots in South Orange (and had a ground breaking for it in, what, 2001?) the loss of tax ratables from all of these sites. And good ole Larry David. Never met a washed a shore stinky fish he couldn't live without attacking. Wake up, smell the roses, and vote for new leadership on May 10th. The old stinkers and their new surrogates of Line C fame have had way long enough time to "get it right". P.S. Yes, you all guessed it: I LOVE anonimity. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2004 |
Well Washashore you still see the glass half empty and anonimity. You are obviously a good friend to the people running this year. And your posts are so well written I also think you must be a lawyer. You keep attacking the current government not the actual owners of the locations that are sitting empty like beifus, sickley, the property next to bunnys and the midas location, the rug location. I think the majority of residents in our town are upset at the conditions of the supermarket and sopac but you must put pressure on the people who own commercial property who let it sit. REMEMBER THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT BEIFUS, SICKLEY, SOPAC,AND I WILL THROW IN THE RUG LOCATION IF ELECTED POGANY OR DEVARIS WILL NOT BE ALLOWD TO VOTE ON ISSUES PERTAINING TO THESE LOCATIONS BECAUSE THEY ARE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THEM. So who do we vote for? I want people in office that can vote on these critical issues. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2004 |
I think washashore to show good faith after trashing south orange should walk the town. wash ashore can remain anonomyous by doing it on their own and collecting a business card from each business owner and posting the names online. I shop in south orange and I dine in south orange and there are some wonderful stores and restaurants. washashore obviously can only see the nail salon and the bank which by way both of these business types draw people to town. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 2046 Registered: 9-2003 |
User58 - Two people running seem to disagree as to whether or not they can vote on the current redevelopment issues. I would hope that they could.. we all have an interest in these too long vacant sites you mention. Having a business nearby shouldn't preclude them from having a dialogue or voting (unless the site is going to house a Pizza Place  ). | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1850 Registered: 4-2002 |
SoOrLady: The rule is no elected official can vote on a property within 200 feet of a property they own (or a family member owns). The ruling comes from the state, not the village. I understand this does not always make sense or seem fair, but it was done to protect the residents. | ||
| Washashore Citizen Username: Washashore Post Number: 223 Registered: 4-2003 |
User58: I've eaten at Antoinella's (highly recomend it), I love Arugula; you can often find me at Blue Moon, or waiting in line with the best of them at Bagels Abroad or Sonny's. I'm addicted to Cold Stone, and do my cleaning most often at On Track Cleaners. I'd go more often to the Gaslight but the owners there scare me. I frequently buy papers at the General Store, and I've been known to hang at Dancing Goat (which I understand is up for sale). Starbucks coffee is a must-have, particularly on road trips, and Cait and Abbey's is high on my list of favs as well. Frame Shop work hangs in my home, and the camera store has provided me with much good advise and merchandise over the years. If you take the stores you listed in your post #50, i.e. "candle shop, bunny's, reservoir, bluemoon, cold stone, on-track cleaners, urban femme, starbucks, comic book store, cait and abby, frame shop, bagles abroad, dunkin dough, jewerly store, dancing goat, block buster, antonellas, a great sporting goods store, we've got movies, several great tailors, cafe arug, pappillon, lot 15, toro loco, taste of asia, exxon, ridge tire, camera store, rite aid, neelam" you could probably put all of their square feet into the Beifus, Shop Rite, and Sickley vacant sites, making your many equal in town impact to my three. I'd love to blame Mr. Beifus, but it was the town who designated him developer and it was the town who agreed to his plan and it is the town who could do something about his lack of performance. Ditto Shop Rite. And the town had some finagling going on at Midas, and at the Sickley site as well. On May 10, Vote for new leadership continues to be the best advise I can offer you if you want a vibrant downtown. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 55 Registered: 8-2004 |
I disagree with you. Again you choose to compare the many hard working caring businesses in this town to the likes of beifus. The hearts of these local businesses are a billion times larger than the size of the beifus lot. I disagree with you 1000%. Beifus had a dump of a dealership when he was in business! He had no vision. If he had vision there would be a beautiful mercedes dealership still in that location. I do agree with you that the town put their trust in him and I for one never would have. Again I repeat do you agree if someone is running for trustee and will be unable to vote on these critical issues it is a problem? | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1856 Registered: 4-2002 |
Washashore: There are no incumbents running for office so whomever wins will be new to the BOT. There are eight people running for three spots, so I suggest that voters try and find out about each candidate and vote for the three they think can do the best to serve the village. User 58: I agree that there are a lot of hard working business owners who want to see improvements in the village. Clearly the owner of the property of the rug store and Mr. Beifus have not moved forward. Both say they have the best interest of the village at heart and I for one would like to see them act with some sense of urgency. As I have stated before, I would vote to condemn the Beifus property and seek developers to come forth and bid based on projects we want to see in the village. Mr. Beifus has a deadline coming up. I hope whomever is elected is going to be willing to take the steps needed if he does not get meet those goals. | ||
| Washashore Citizen Username: Washashore Post Number: 224 Registered: 4-2003 |
User58: I agree with a previous poster - I do not remember who or when or what thread - who said that this town is too small to have people we elect to lead it recuse themselves. They'd be recusing themselves all the time and no one would be able to vote on anything. Mr. Gross was never elected for anything in S.O. yet he gets to maintain whatever status quo he thinks best suits his and his King's interests, without the ability of the electorate to kick the bum out in the next election. So let's elect honest clear thinking and creative people, and hold them accountable. Mr. Rosner: While no incumbent may be running for BOT on May 10, there are certainly 3 candidates - Line C candidates to be exact - who clearly, in many people's eyes and minds who post here on MOL - are incumbent surrogates. This leaves 5 candidates for whom the rest of us can choose to vote. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 56 Registered: 8-2004 |
Ok I agree with you that I also do not agree that these people should have to recuse themselves. But the fact remains that is the way it is...so it does not make sense to put people into office that must recuse them selves from these big issues. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1857 Registered: 4-2002 |
Wash: So you are basing your statement based on what some have posted on MOL anonymously. Should have known that you would not take the time to get to know all the candidates. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 57 Registered: 8-2004 |
You may not like john gross or the conditions of his appointment but to publicly call this man a bum. Shame on you! I hope his family does not have access to this post. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 58 Registered: 8-2004 |
Washashore look at it this way. If SOPAC is built or if the town wants to build a parking deck near bunnys or mr. devaris property this clearly would benefit these two business. SO their vote would be bias...most likely. No one in clear concious could say their vote would be based solely on what they think benefits the town in that position. Not you not me not anyone. That is why this law is in effect. It completely removes any bias feelings and possible decissions. This makes perfect sense. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1858 Registered: 4-2002 |
User 58: Exactly. There are lots of examples and this point could be debated forever. In my opinion it makes sense to take away any chance that a person's personal situation can influence a decision that affects everyone in the village. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 2053 Registered: 9-2003 |
You're right Mark, we could debate forever.. but since it's a "state law" as opposed to a "town suggestion" - debate is over. Now the question seems to be - how much will the fact that two of the eight candidates will not be able to vote on issues regarding a substantial portion of the downtown redevelopment influnce voters? | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 59 Registered: 8-2004 |
Influnce is not the point the point is it makes no sense to have people in office that cannot vote on these issues. ANd these are only the current issues what if more come before the board that are in the center of down town. Please remember these issues are in the center of the downtown. I for one do not want anyone on the board who can not vote these issues. So who is left. Is it too late for someone else to run? MArk can you answer this question | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1859 Registered: 4-2002 |
User58: It is too late for anyone else to run at this time. As I said, there are eight candidates to choose from. You can vote for any three and you can split a ticket if you want. In your case, you will have to pick from six candidates. I do not know if any of those other six have any conflicts on downtown issues, but I don't think they do. | ||
| mjc Citizen Username: Mjc Post Number: 458 Registered: 10-2004 |
Civics question: when people recuse themselves, are they barred from discussing the matter, or just barred from voting on it? |
