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     mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1860 Registered: 4-2002 |
They are barred from discussing the matter. In some cases, the person must leave the room. | ||
| mjc Citizen Username: Mjc Post Number: 460 Registered: 10-2004 |
Thanks, Mark! Seems too bad to lose expertise that way, but it is what it is. | ||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1763 Registered: 11-2001  |
Mrosner. As a sitting Trustee, you should be silent now as your input is very political and as a "Trustee" you should be above it. The conflict issue is nothing more than transparent election politics. To follow your ridiculous logic Terri-Anne Moore Abrams will have a conflict of interest on anything concerning Recreation because she is paid by Recreation as a karate instructor; Paul Salvatoriello will have a conflict on anything to do with rental units, i.e. rent control, because he is a tenant; Calabrese has a conflict of interest on anything that has to do with Redevelopment because he is within 200 feet of the Redevelopment zone (and I question why Mr. Rosner has been silent about this for all this time); Stacey Jennings has sat on the Planning Board (actually I heard that she really hasn't sat through a full meeting as a full member but she can correct me)...thus she has a conflict of interest relative to any matter that she heard; Jeff DuBowy has a conflict of interest relative to any matters that came before the Parking Authority and David Belasco has a conflict of interest regarding the dugouts. There are numerous others, but you get the point. I think the community has had over 8 years of dirty election politics and we are very tired of these antics. Let's keep it clean! | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 2947 Registered: 5-2001  |
The laddie doth complain too much, methinks. -s. BTW: Distinguish yourself from your competitors in POSITIVE ways, John. Complaining (spuriously) about Mark's point of view will not advance your cause. He was ELECTED, and has a right to comment. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 2054 Registered: 9-2003 |
John - you disappoint me. It appears that this issue is regulated by the state. You and Eric, if elected, will have to recuse yourselves from any discussion or vote regarding SOPAC, the Beifus site, the Rug site and any potential parking additions because you own property within 200' of the sites - simple as that. I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure Calabrese's property is just outside the 200' range - but maybe it should be measured. Where the other candidates are employed, on what committees they sit, or where they rent is not specifically regulated by this state rule. Mark is the one Trustee I trust NOT to try to manupulate voters, but to present them with the truth. It concerns me that you wish to sheild the voters from the fact that you and Eric, by state law, will have to recuse yourselves during discussion and votes for most of the issues on the current development sites | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2004 |
John I agree with Soda. You sound like the washashore person. You should be above that. Mark rosner has always been a voice of reason a person that everyone can approach. And he was asked these questions and he answered. And when you are talking that we have had 8 years of dirty elections are you also including Mr. Rosner? I think this town respects Mr. Rosner. If he ran today I would vote for him again. Actually I hope he decides to run for President next time around. | ||
| Pizzaz Citizen Username: Pizzaz Post Number: 1764 Registered: 11-2001 |
I beg to differ. Mr. Calabrese's business is right in the redevelopment zone of the central business district. You speak of state "law" but is there such a "law"? or is it an opinion from the Department of Community Affairs? You mistake the concept of conflict of interest with "compatible interest." Unless there are conflicting financial interests, there are no conflicts. No one has offered a hypothetical that would apply. I maintain that I do not have a conflict of interest with the properties you refer to. | ||
| Washashore Citizen Username: Washashore Post Number: 225 Registered: 4-2003 |
User58 and SoOrLady: This email is not to throw darts at Mr. Rosner. It is merely to point out that Mr. Rosner was on the BOT when Bill Calabrese was allowed to discuss and vote on issues relative to the quarry, overlooking which he lives, and on the redevelopment issues, of which his store is within 200 feet. Mr. Rosner did not have religion then about who should or should not be recused. His recusal religion blossomed only after Partick Joyce was elected, and had an opposite view on how the quarry should be developed from those of Messrs. Calabrese, Rosner, et al. So let's stop with the hearts and flowers about Mr. Rosner's sincerity, and with complaining that John Pogany sounds like me. Mr. Rosner acts and votes based on his own perceived self-interests and not on some higher moral standard as evidence by this recusal double-standard, and John was FACTUALLY adding to the debate about why recusing oneself in a small town is ludicrous. Mr. Rosner and Mr. Calabrese agreed that it was ludicrous too, until someone with a different perspective than theirs (Patrick Joyce) joined the BOT and wanted to participate in discussions and votes on the development of the quarry. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1861 Registered: 4-2002 |
John: I answered the question that was asked and have been posting on MOL for several years. Now all of the sudden you object. If you can't think of a hypothetical, then I don't think you tried too hard. However if you want, I will post some examples for you. Your post on other potential conflicts are clearly a stretch and even you cannot believe the other candidates have the same kind of conflict. And John, how come you still hide behind the screenname Pizzaz. There are some who might not know you are John Pogany, candidate for trustee. After knowing you for several years, it does not surprise me that you try to deflect an election issue by attacking someone on the BOT. Wash: Actually, Mr. Calabrese did not vote on any issues regarding the quarry or redevelopment since I have been on the BOT (village president only votes when there is a tie). Also, I did not bring up the conflict with Mr. Joyce (Mr. Matthews did). I did suggest we get a second opinion (over the objection of two trustees) and we did get one from the DCA. It is the opinion of the DCA. It has been very clear that the 200 ft. rule will apply to Mr. Pogany (and Mr. DeVaris) just as it did to Mr. Calabrese and to Mr. Joyce. The fact is I did not object to Mr. Joyce being able to discuss or sit in the room. I specifically stated I thought he could not vote, but could offer an opinion. The opinion from the DCA was clear that he could not even sit in the room when the quarry was being discussed. It is not up to me to decide when or what is a conflict. The village attorney is there to point out a conflict and the DCA is available to offer a second opinion. As Mr. DeVaris points out on his website, he will not be able to vote on any property within 200 feet of his property. | ||
| Scooby Doo Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 975 Registered: 5-2004  |
John, Though I'm likely to vote for you, Eric and Howard, I think you need to step back a little from this. No, you don't know me. And you might say I should just keep my mouth shut. But there are lots of hypotheticals where you're havea conflict of interest, not just a "compatible interest." Consider that SOPAC might want to have a concession stand inside. Maybe they'll sell food for people to have during shows. maybe even pizza. The Beifus site is to have retail space. What if he pre-leases space to a restaurant? That might have an impact on your business. Personally, I'd rather have people on the Board that agree with my principles about how the town should be run, even if he or she can't vote on all the issues. I'd rather have someone who agrees with me but can't vote, than someone who disagrees with me and can. That is why I don't care if you can vote on those issues. Because I'da rather have a BOT member have to abstain, than vote the wrong way on something. And just by BEING on the BOT you influence people, even if you can't vote on or directly discuss a particular issue. | ||
| MHD Citizen Username: Mayhewdrive Post Number: 2127 Registered: 5-2001  |
Mark, I'd have to agree with Washashore on the point of Calabrese and his conflict with the Quarry. Bill Calabrese was very much present at MANY meetings discussing the issue (I will gladly re-post references to Meeting Minutes AGAIN), and never once did you PUBLICLY express concern that "it makes sense to take away any chance that a person's personal situation can influence a decision that affects everyone in the village." Why didn't you speak out ONCE from 1998-2001, but are now speaking out about John Pogany's potential conflict? I don't dispute that John will have a conflict, I just find your sudden "concern" a little too political. You are better than that, Mark. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 1174 Registered: 6-2001  |
Sprite: at least the laddie has the courage to speak, even in complaint, and to try to effect positive change. Don't you have a visit scheduled with the Oracle in Ocala? Yeah, Mark, John's a real attack dog. Someone who loves South Orange and is sick to death of the ineptitude and closed government that has persisted for several years. To say that you weren't privvy to what Bill's voting record was prior to your incumbency is somewhat insipid at this point. You were embraced and well-supported during your campaign.
Roo-Roo-Roo, Scooby! I so agree with you on this. John's candidacy (nor Eric's) should be dismissed because of their "conflicts" with developments that have already been approved! The major issues, MAJOR, are developing a realistic Master Plan (that will be adhered to!), instituting an independent DRC (not controlled by Gross and the Board of Trustees), and adressing the growth issues of the already forthcoming PILOTed residential influx of both the Market and Beifus sites. Gaslight Commons and the Church Street apartments have already stressed our services, IMO, and more and more will only worsen this situation. Mark, I know you're in a difficult position. But your abstention on the GROSS contract, your abstentions and "no" votes on other matters affecting the village suggest to me that you're a cog in the machinery. To attack John Pogany as you did above, because his username is Pizzaz tho he sgns his own name, puts you on my and Soda (Pepsi One!)'s level. I really wish you didn't believe in the same old same old, but it's obvious that you do. | ||
| susan1014 Supporter Username: Susan1014 Post Number: 541 Registered: 3-2002 |
John, As I recall, based on earlier postings and websites, Eric has a preliminary response from the appropriate state authority saying that he (and presumably you) will be affected by the 200 foot rule. You have an opinion from your lawyer siblings that you will not have to recuse. You never said whether your siblings are experts in this specific legal area. Personally, Eric's response, and his ability to maintain a calm and civil tone, put him higher than you on my voting list. Mark Rosner may be far from perfect, but sniping at him (from your screen name, no less) doesn't give me a warm feeling about your ability to govern well. I'm still struggling to figure out who gets the third slot on my ballot. | ||
| bets Supporter Username: Bets Post Number: 1176 Registered: 6-2001 |
Susan, If you would like to discuss this stuff with Pizzaz, you should stop by Bunny's and talk to him. He's one of the steadiest, calmest, and intelligent man I've ever met. If you don't like smoke, he'd be happy to sit outside on a sunny day or move your dicussion next door to the smoke-free bistro. You don't even have to reveal your identity. Just stop by and ask if he's there (he is pretty busy with the election activity). He is a welcoming and sweet man, and I have no hesitation in voting for him (as I have done in 1999). Better yet, he'll still be available for discussion of issues after he's elected! | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1862 Registered: 4-2002 |
MHD: I did not bring it up with Patrick Joyce either. In fact, at that time I thought a trustee could not vote on an issue with a potential conflict, and did not realize they could not discuss or stay in the room. Since we all know more about conflicts involving property, don't you think it makes more sense to discuss it before the election? As I have stated, I have no problem with John or Eric being elected as long as everyone who votes for them knows that they might not be able to vote or discuss topics from time to time. Eric has been open about his potential conflict, so why can't John also admit the same. | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 61 Registered: 8-2004 |
Meanwhile I was walking home the other day and the owners of the store next to sickley and bunnys was finally being painted. the only thing that concerns me is this...and I had my house painted recently so I believe this to be true and someone can correct me if I am wrong here. But they were sanding the old paint off the building while people were walking by and sitting outside bunnys and I did not see the equiptment they used at my house that removes the dust from the paint. Are they 100% sure there was no lead in the paint? Mr Rosner should a business owner in town take better precautions? | ||
| User58 Citizen Username: User58 Post Number: 62 Registered: 8-2004 |
I am going to one of the meeting to meet devaris i am interested in hearing what he has to say. But I really do not like the temper of Pegany I agree with solady on this. ANd I am starting to believe washashore is his campaign manager. | ||
| mrosner Citizen Username: Mrosner Post Number: 1863 Registered: 4-2002 |
User58: He spells it Pogany. I had the same thought about washashore. However, I doubt that he/she will ever say. | ||
| SoOrLady Citizen Username: Soorlady Post Number: 2056 Registered: 9-2003 |
User: Please don't put words in my mouth. I met Mr. Pogany for the first time at the recent face to face at Bunny's. He is charming and it seems that he values our town and would work to improve it. What I said was that my perception of this issue (that he seems to want to sheild the voters from the fact that he and Eric would have to recuse themselves during discussions and votes on the current redevelopment sites) concerned me. | ||
| Larry David Citizen Username: Larry_david Post Number: 4 Registered: 4-2005 |
I agree with you User58 about Washashore being John's campaign manager and if that's the case, do we really want John on the BOT? What I mean by that is someone who would pick someone so negative, so arrogant, people usually stick with like people |
