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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2349
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 7, 2005 - 11:50 pm: | 
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I remember hearing a long time ago that the developer or operator of the South Orange Shop Rite "Coming Soon" Market was the developer or operator of the Maywood Market. Is that correct?
I hope not because I was in Maywood today, stopped by the Maywood Market and wasn't terribly impressed. It actually reminded me of the cramped, run-down Shop Rite that used to be in South Orange.
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Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 24
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 8, 2005 - 7:34 am: |
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MHD - Fairways Market up in Palisades Park (Fort Lee). Great little market - if it is a model SO will really enjoy the Market - in the year 2012. |
Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3118
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 8, 2005 - 11:33 am: |
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The architect's rendering of the layout is available at the Village website. Still looks small and crowded, like the old ShopRite, but it's much better than nothing...
-s. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2353
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 8, 2005 - 12:13 pm: |
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Small & crowded is one thing, but I was more concerned about it being "run-down".
I remember hearing Maywood mentioned ages ago, but I don't remember the context.
Anyone else remember? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1921
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 8, 2005 - 7:14 pm: |
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The Maywood store was one of the markets belonging to the original operator.
The new operator (John Choi) is using the same architect that designed the fairway market.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2357
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 8, 2005 - 7:23 pm: |
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Thanks for the clarification, Mark.
So, John Choi is not the operator of Maywood?
That's good because the store was not particularly well kept.
He is using the architect of the Fairway market, but he is the OPERATOR of any other store that can be used for comparison? |
Neen
Citizen
Username: Neen
Post Number: 125
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 1:10 pm: |
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Is there any relationship between this Fairway market and the much loved Manhattan Fairway? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1923
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 2:06 pm: |
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no relationship between the two places. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 1094
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 2:29 pm: |
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Mark-
I see people calling the coming supermarket by different names. New Market, South Orange Market, and I thought I had seen Village Market at one point. Does anyone know for sure what the name of the market is going to be? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1924
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 2:35 pm: |
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No official name yet.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2380
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 2:35 pm: |
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Mark,
Is Mr Choi the OPERATOR of any other store that can be used for comparison? |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1925
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 2:50 pm: |
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We were given a few places. None were in NJ. He had some smaller (size wise) operations in the city and a couple of markets on Long Island. He has other stores, but not sure any of them would be a true comparison.
Part of the problem with trying to look at comparisons is that very often these types of markets try to cater to the local demands (and demographics).
When the original operator was announced he stated that the store was going to be more like the one in the city (west side markets)than the Maywood store.
The old shop-rite operators are perfect examples of why not to pick an operator based only on a comparison. If one looked at his Livingston or W. Orange location they would be very enthusiastic. However, if they ever saw the one in S. Orange, you would say no way would we do business with this person(s).
The last thing a new business needs is to have someone find something negative to say about his operation.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 1100
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 9:05 pm: |
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Mark-
IF the town had allowed Shop-Rite to build a supermarket on Third sreet, South Orange would have had a maket as nice as the new Shopr-rites in West Orange and Livingston, no?
From what I understand, a lot of opposition to a Shop-rite on Third Street came from Bill Calabrese. Is this true?
If not, what was the reason?
Thanks!
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Josh Holtz
Citizen
Username: Jholtz
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 9, 2005 - 10:36 pm: |
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I think "Village Market" is the most marketable, to not only villagers but to outsiders as well. South Orange Market is too specific and might not draw people from other towns. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1928
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 9:27 am: |
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JTA: I was not on the BOT when the planning board did not allow Shop-rite to build on third street. Most of the opposition came from residents in that area although they had support from many through out the village. There was a big concern about truck traffic. I really do not know if Bill Calabrese was in favor or against that project. I went to one meeting to hear the discussions and came away that it was not going to happen based on opposition from residents more than any other reason.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2397
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 9:33 am: |
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"I really do not know if Bill Calabrese was in favor or against that project. "
C'mon, Mark....he was FORCED to recuse himself because he was vehemently opposed to the project that would bring another pharmacy to town. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1929
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 9:44 am: |
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MHD: At the one meeting I went to, Bill did not say one word. There were over 50 residents in the room demanding answers and the majority were against the supermarket being built there. Based on the letters to the editors, the turnouts at meetings and leaflets that were handed out, I think the majority or residents were against the market.
Bill was forced to recuse himself only because of the pharmacy issue, not because of whether he was for or against the project. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 9:47 pm: |
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Mark-
Thank you for your answer, BUT, I'm confused. IF the town did not allow a new Shop-Rite to be built on Third Street due to opposition from those living in the area, how come, despite all the complaints from those near the Quarry, Plute was allowd to build there anyway.
Thanks! |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2416
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 10:03 pm: |
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JTA,
LOL!!! You now going to hear that it was because of a "court order". However, the court order NEVER said the property MUST be developed. So, your question is a very valid one. |
vermontgolfer
Supporter
Username: Vermontgolfer
Post Number: 308
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 10:06 pm: |
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Can we please leave the quarry behind. It's over, we got reduced density and taxes are beginning to role in. Please don't forget the quarry was private property, not public. Let's move on to issues that we still have in front of us.
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