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Stuart0628
Citizen
Username: Stuart0628
Post Number: 55
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 4:24 pm: | 
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To state the obvious...
Allan Rosen is not going to resign.
In all likelihood, Allan Rosen won't commit a high crime or misdemeanor that would be grounds for a recall vote.
Best we can do is prod Mr. Rosen to do the right thing going forward, starting with reconsidering the committee assignments in a manner consistent with the ideal process he set forth in his posting earlier on this thread.
The same goes for our new Trustees. Whether we agree or disagree with the voters who put them in office, we can work to help them see the issues as we see them and encourage them to be true Village Independents. Give them a chance to get it right...we'll know quickly just how beholden they are to Calabrese et al. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 107
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 4:58 pm: |
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Okay, is everyone done trying to make this man (who has served the South Orange community for over a decade) feel like crap?... probably not
Go to the next BOT meeting and express your concern about this. Let's see if Rosen will bring the topic back up... |
Daniel I. Goldberg
Citizen
Username: Dig
Post Number: 113
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 5:07 pm: |
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I will be there . . . anybody want to join me? |
Kristen Williamson
Citizen
Username: Kris219
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 5:53 pm: |
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This will be a good meeting if all of you come out!
I will see you there Dan!  |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2464
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:45 pm: |
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Allan Rosen "jumped the shark" when he sided with Taylor, Steglitz & Theroux to make John Gross administrator for life.
He has said this will be his last term as Trustee. We should thank him for his centuries of service, take him at his word that he is leaving in 2007 & hold him to it. |
Daniel I. Goldberg
Citizen
Username: Dig
Post Number: 114
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 6:49 pm: |
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If Allan is truly not running in 2007, then all the more reason for him to vote/act his conscience (assuming he can find it), rather than getting wrapped in these silly games. |
Larry David
Citizen
Username: Larry_david
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 7:05 pm: |
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Sheena, it looks like you're basing a good job done on the amount of time one has served. I would bet most of the people on MOL would have to disagree with you and would rather see new blood than Allan's old. I don't think he deserves praise because he has been on the BOT so long, he would deserve praise for a job well done and right now I can't think of a single job well done by trustee Rosen |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 108
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:47 pm: |
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Well as we've seen, MOL isn't reflective of S.O. Being reelected as many times as Allan has, obviously the majority (plurality) has spoken enough times.
Unless your contention is that all these voters are misinformed...
All this stuff about '07... two years away is quite a while and a lot can change. |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2469
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 9:18 pm: |
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Sounds like they are now serving "kool-Aid" at Seton Hall. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 194
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 9:23 pm: |
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sheena regardless of what rosen does next week can not change with what he did this past monday. The decision he made to be involved with this mess is his own doing.
I could care less in what he does on monday....unless if he resigns.
Rosner for president in 07 our only hope!
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Soda
Supporter
Username: Soda
Post Number: 3242
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:02 pm: |
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User: Your sentiment is a bit too desperate to be taken seriously. "Our only hope"?
-s.
BTW: All of you: Mark has some thinking to do between now and then, and you should try to do some yourselves. If I were Mr. Rosner, I'd think twice about running if my most vocal supporters came off as true believers, extremists, and zealots. |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 161
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:06 pm: |
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User.
Mr. Rosner is doing a good job as Trustee, and I like what he does, and what he writes here and in his weblog.
If you, his self-appointed campaign manager, continue reminding us that he wants to run for President in 2007, you are coloring everything that he says or does as just more of the political campaign bulls--t that precedes an election.
You are not helping. |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 162
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:10 pm: |
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HELLOOOOOOOO!
TRUSTEE ROOOOOSEN
CAN YOU HEAR MEEEE ? |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 197
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 10:28 pm: |
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Ok.....sorry!
Art Taylor for president in 07....now do you get it! |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 163
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:09 pm: |
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I get you.
But Mark is doing a very good job on this forum, much better than Taylor, and without your help.
Better you spend your time campaigning for Mark in other circles.
Just a friendly advice. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 111
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 11:37 pm: |
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Don't get me wrong, I think very highly of Mark but maybe the better suggestion is to be as critical of him as we are with everyone else & then decide whether or not to support him as it gets closer to time...
There's a lot of votes that will take place between now and '07.
A lot of things change with time and I think it's jumping the gun to rally support for something that's two years away...
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bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1505
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:05 am: |
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I agree with everyone's posts about the great presidential race of 2007. Please, let's stick to the current issues.
As I said in another thread, I thank Mark for speaking out honestly on a meeting in which I had a similar view of what occurred. I will be much more hands on and plan to attend at least one trustee meeting per month, more if possible.
I am a fair and impartial human being who posted and voted strictly on the information presented by each candidate and, yes, I favored a longtime personal friend. He has helped me without question countless times during some very difficult situations in my life, and never passed judgement. And I know that he's done the same for many other people/volunteer organizations/schools/churches/recreation teams/friends/patrons of his restaurant. And he was publicly and forcefully assaulted, without warning, by then-current South Orange trustees.
In my book, that makes him all the more valuable as a potential Trustee. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1089
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:12 am: |
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Sheena,
You are relatively new to this forum. People are very critical of Mark when they disagree with him. if there is one thing that descibes MOL'ers, it's... um... outspoken. Sometimes a bit too otspoken, but outspoken nonetheless.
Dr. Rosen has been lauded on MOL and reviled. I believe many people here were hoping that with the changes in the board, Dr. Rosen would lean more toward the light, and less toward the dark side (sorry, SWIII:RotS is out as of *now*)
To a lot of people here, this was the proverbial straw...
I do envy you your idealism. I wish I were not as cynical as I've become. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 112
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:40 am: |
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Rastro,
You're awesome. I think outspoken can be equated to honest which works just fine with me.
Don't worry about being cynical... I don't think you're as bad as Soda (oh kidding... )
I think Trustee Rosen will surprise us on Monday night... |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 626
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:47 am: |
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Rosen helped Calabrese start the new administration off on a very bad note, with his support of a bad meeting, followed by his attempt to claim it should have been otherwise.
I'm very frustrated, but I'm also very willing to open my arms to Trustee Rosen (metaphorically speaking) if he changes his ways and makes his actions in meetings match his beliefs as stated online. Actions, not words.
I'm also willing to come to love our line C trustees if they act in the interest of the town, with open minds and a willingness to question the more senior trustees and Village President, and to create a less divisive atmosphere that the current one. Actions to match the words that they ran on.
Mark Rosner will take criticism when he deserves it, but this week he gets my praise for protesting a non-democratic behind-closed-doors process, both during the meeting and after it. I only hope he has a stonger role than gadfly in meetings to come!
The good news for Calabrese, Rosen, Taylor and line C is that my opinions really will shift substantially if I see a shift to open, inclusive, non-political behavior. (I'm perhaps less cynical than I should be...)
Otherwise, I become a more active member of their opposition, and begin looking to 2007 sooner than I'd like. I've got my copy of Monday's meeting, and won't be taping over it for quite a while, in case I need to remind anyone how it looked (I've already put one copy in the mail...). I'll either be attending or watching meetings to come. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 627
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:50 am: |
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I hope you are right Sheena...I don't know him well enough to know whether to share your faith. |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1508
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 1:10 am: |
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I do, Susan. He's been a trustee in this town since I was 11 years old http://southorange.org/government.asp?page=rosen.asp. Don't hold your breath.
(Sorry! Cynicism in full force again, too old for this, too tired! Change is good and all that old-fashioned bull-shti!) |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1509
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 1:11 am: |
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Oh, and maybe he'll have the guts to tell me whether he was VLT* or CPO back in those '70s....
*edited to transcribe the TL to LT. Sigh. |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1510
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 1:21 am: |
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PSS-Allan, your profile on this page (http://southorange.org/government.asp?page=rosen.asp) has Marshall School misspelled. Just wanted to let you know, as an alumnae and graduate (of 6th grade). |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1511
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 1:32 am: |
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PSSS(t)-They still have the profiles of the pre-election trustees on the website, and the disparity of profiles among those favored/disfavored is distinct. I've saved all of them, so if they change magically tomorrow, PL me for the files. |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 164
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 8:48 am: |
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HELLOOOOOOOO!
TRUSTEE ROOOOOSEN
CAN YOU HEAR MEEEE ? |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 198
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 9:34 am: |
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Sheena you still seem to miss the big picture. Rosen's decision on Monday...a decision that seems to be upsetting many people here is the decision he made as a trustee in our town. This is who he is this is how he acts. I do not wish to wait to see what he does on Monday. I do not care what he does on Monday. He is not a newly appointed trustee. He new exactly what he was doing. I voted for him last go around and right now I am not pleased with his ability to make decisions for our town. |
noracoombs
Citizen
Username: Noracoombs
Post Number: 80
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 9:40 am: |
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Sheena said "I think Trustee Rosen will surprise us on Monday night..."
OK, Sheena, are you just the most optimistic person there ever was, or do you know something we don't know? 
In any case, from your mouth to god's ears.... |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 165
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
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HELLOOOOOOOO!
TRUSTEE ROOOOOSEN!
WE KNOW YOU ARE THERE!
YOU CAN'T HIDE ANY MORE!
COME OUT AND PLAY!!! |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 166
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 10:31 pm: |
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HELLOOOOOOOO!
TRUSTEE ROOOOOSEN!
WE KNOW YOU ARE THERE!
YOU CAN'T HIDE ANY MORE!
COME OUT AND PLAY!!! |
mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 167
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 10:35 pm: |
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HELLOOOOOOOO!
TRUSTEE ROOOOOSEN!
SO THIS IS IT? YOU ADMIT THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT HAS BEEN CONTROLLING WITH A TIGHT GRIP THE AFFAIRS OF THE VILLAGE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FEW, YOURSELF INCLUDED?
WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT!
THANK YOU |
bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1541
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 12:12 am: |
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Not "system," mary032. It's called "stranglehold." |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1096
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 12:15 am: |
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Here I come again now baby
Like a dog in heat
Tell it's me by the clamor now baby
I like to tear up the street
And I been smokin' for so long
Ya know I'm here to stay
Got you in a strangle hold baby
You best get outta the way
Road I cruise is a bitch now baby
But no you cant turn me round
And if a house gets in my way baby
Ya know I'm tearing it down
You ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold baby
You gonna cross your face
Yeah
Sometimes you wanna start higher
And sometimes you gotta start low
Some people think they gonna die someday
I got news ya never got to go
C'mon c'mon up, c'mon c'mon up
C'mon c'mon up, c'mon c'mon up
C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon baby
C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon up
C'mon c'mon c'mon c'mon baby
C'mon c'mon c'mon
Road I cruise is a bitch now
Ya know ya cant turn me round
And if a house gets in my way
Ya know I'm burnin' it down
Ya ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold baby
You gonna cross your face |
Pizzaz
Citizen
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 1804
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 12:30 am: |
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mary032
Citizen
Username: Mary032
Post Number: 168
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 23, 2005 - 9:37 am: |
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See you all in tonight's Board of Trustees meeting at 8 p.m.
And get up there and speak your mind. |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
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Didn't I see Sheena in a movie with Mickey Rooney?
"Life is wonderful, let's go to the barn and put on a show". |
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