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peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1160
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:05 am: |     |
Take a look at my earlier post. Even had Belasco and DuBowy NOT run -- dividing their votes among ADE would NOT have won ADE the election.
We've discussed this earlier. To win in SO -- need to build a broader coalition -- 3 white guys running as a ticket -- no women, no minorities -- will NEVER EVER win again in SO.
Pete |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1047
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 7:48 am: | |
Thanks for the note Dan. We can each have our own opinions on what happened but unfortunately that won't change the outcome. We are in agreement on what needs to be done so let's stay focused on learning from this election and getting all of the seats in 2 years.
Nice meeting you last week. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1103
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 2:12 pm: | |
bets, np |
skay
Citizen
Username: Skay
Post Number: 14
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 4:11 pm: | |
Two Sense:
How many days and counting? |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 164
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:05 am: | |
22 days and counting. (skay, thanks for the wake-up call.) |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 165
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 11:34 am: | |
Recently updated and much expanded Redevelopment section on Village web site now commits Beifus to "be under full construction by mid-year," which would be 52 days after Beifus-Shovel-in-the-Dirt Day. Hence forth, June 30th officially shall be known as Beifus-Really-Puts-His-Shovel-in-the-Dirt Day, and the 52 days between Beifus-Shovel-in-the-Dirt Day and Beifus-Really-Puts-His-Shovel-in-the-Dirt Day shall be known as the Inter-Shovel-in-the-Dirt-Days Period (or Era?).
From www.southorange.org/development.asp:
Background:
In April 2005, the Board of Trustees completed and approved a developer's agreement with Mr. Beifus that will ensure the project will be under full construction by mid-year, or the property will be turned over to the Village for use as a temporary parking lot during the construction of other projects.
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MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2500
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 6, 2005 - 1:58 pm: | |
So...Parking Lot and free taxes for Beifus or Retail/Residential building with tax break for Beifus? What will it be? It's almost 1 month since the "deadline" passed. |
notehead
Supporter
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 2366
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:04 am: | |
Deadline, shmedline. The word has no meaning in this town. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 192
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 11:17 am: | |
30 days and (still) counting. |
peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1187
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 12:24 pm: | |
Today I saw some activity at SOPAC -- but the other sites seem dead in the water...
(and what about Town Hall Deli -- that's such an attractive site, too)
/p |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 277
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 12:25 pm: | |
Let's go to the Video tape and see what the candidates said at the first debate on how they would solve these issues.
Question 1:
What would you do as a Village Trustee to bring a supermarket to downtown South Orange within a year after you assumed office?
Question 2:
What would you do as a Village trustee to restore public trust in Board of Trustee decisions and to foster open government as part of that process?
Question 3:
As a Village trustee, how would you increase commercial tax rebate or revenues (for example, at the Beifus, Shop Rite and Midas sites), and reduce residential property taxes?
Question 4:
Would you grant PILOTS (payments in lieu of taxes) to development sites such as the Beifus, Midas and Shop Rite sites? If so, why; if not, why not? |
MHD
Citizen
Username: Mayhewdrive
Post Number: 2508
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 12:39 pm: | |
Howard,
I think our "Government Under Glass" needs a little Windex.  |
peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1188
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 12:42 pm: | |
Howard --
Good to see your post. Brings up a question -- was a PILOT granted to the Midas/Town Hall Deli site?
If Town Hall isn't going to build on the site -- then at least let him flip the GD thing to someone who will do *something* on that site.
Pete |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 1978
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 1:18 pm: | |
A PILOT was not granted to the Midas site. The hearing for Town Hall Deli before the planning board was postponed at the owner's request till July. I do not know the reason.
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Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 197
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 3:33 pm: | |
Does anyone else smell a quick flip for profit?
Last update on www.townhalldeli.com:
Plans Submitted!
Contributed by Tony
Thursday, 31 March 2005
Hello all, and sorry for the delay in updates.
The latest news is that the plans for the deli's exterior have been completely redone: the deli will not resemble the architectural rendering in the previous post. Unfortunately, these plans still need to be approved by the town, a process which takes a significant amount of time. Please click "read more" below to view a full letter from Tony regarding the timeline for reopening the deli.
We miss you all and can't wait for the opportunity to reopen. Visit the website again within the next few weeks to sign up for our electronic newsletter.
LETTER FROM TONY:
I apologize for the long delay in the reopening, but assure you that we will be reopening this year!
For those of you that are interested in the details, here's what's going on:
The facade has been changed from the original drawings that are posted on the web site. We will be updating the web site soon with the newest rendering. The new design is reminiscent of the old Town Hall; we feel this blends into the neighborhood a bit better.
As you can probably guess, the new space is somewhat more compact than the old one. Believe it or not, though, there have been some challenges fitting everything into the new space- even though we always seemed to have way too much space before! Through a lot of trial and error, I believe we have created a design that will be much more convenient for you, and more efficient for us.
I completely underestimated the time it would take to complete the purchase of the building, redesign the space, get all the necessary approvals, and do the construction.
At this point, we are submitting final plans for approval before the end of March. As there is a requirement that the plans must be submitted almost two months in advance, they will be reviewed at the May planning board meeting.
We plan to begin construction as quickly as is feasible after the plans are approved, and anticipate that we will be able to open about 12-14 weeks later.
Thank you for your continued communication; I look forward to seeing you in the new Deli!
Tony
Last Updated ( Thursday, 31 March 2005 )
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bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 1708
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2005 - 9:53 pm: | |
I don't know why I subject myself to reading about these outrageous inactions by our government after another day of fighting with HP/Compaq in an effort to provide the class of '06 with working, reliable computers.
My hardware guy told me today that Hewlett-Packard - of LaserJet and Network Server product fame - has been using the HP/Compaq brand name for their PC division in an attempt to distance themselves from the disaster that is their PC product line. I am in month 30 of the fight and am still asked "What, you're still having problems with that (particular) model?"
I was, literally, bumping my head on my desk during this conference call, and had to 'fess up to my grandboss afterwards that that was the "thumping noise" he was hearing at one point. Luckily, my whole team was in my office and participating in the call, so when I had to leave the conversation because I was >< close to screaming, I knew I was covered.
It's the HP/Compaq EVO N1000c that is the particular model that I can assure you is a LEMON! Do not ever purchase one, even if it's a quarter. It's not worth the aggravation.
The whole ordeal seems to parallel the frustration I feel with the current administration of South Orange. Compounding my pounding headache. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 219
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 11:16 am: | |
38 days and (yes, we're still) counting. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 239
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 8:55 am: | |
45 days since we've lost use of the entire sidewalk on the north side of West South Orange Avenue. (If Beifus is doing nothing, which he clearly is, can he at least be forced to return our sidewalk to public use and restore the displaced brick pavers?) |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 41
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 6:37 pm: | |
Have any of these people developed any properties before- whether Beifus, New Market (or whatever they're called), the rug store guy, the town deli guy, etc.? Or is South Orange their first foray and we are their experiment? And for this we give them special treatment (extended deadlines, PILOT's, etc.) I think this whole thing has been mis-managed from the get-go. Bring in the professionals. Or is there something more to all of this? Plus, without tight rules and regulations on materials, design, etc., we are going to be left to the developer and planning board's discretion as to what is good design. Let us take a look at the monstrosity called gaslight commons and the yellow building next to Pathmark to make my point. |
Pizzaz
Citizen
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 1978
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 7:43 pm: | |
If I may ask, jayjay, are you satisfied with the outcome of the election? From your previous posts, I've noticed you're not a fan of the current administration or the manner in which they proceed in the conduct of redevelopment. In the interest of attempting to have a dialogue with sitting trustees, and as we know they lurk on this board for the most part but do not post, I strongly suggest that we attempt to have individual coffee klatches with BoT members. Would you be willing to extend such an invitation to one of the trustees for such a gathering. Perhaps we can have CNN/SOMACOM coverage of these audience events at SOMS (TV segment called "Trustee View" or something like that). Would it not be nice to ask them to participate in a public setting away from village hall to speak to their constituents in an informal and open manner? We need to push the effort for open communications and allow them to come forward in a forum they might feel comfortable with.
As for myself, I think MOL is a great resource but they scare from it. Let's attempt another approach.
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Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 259
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 12:48 pm: | |
Today's "NY Times" features this story about the rebuilding of 7 World Trade Center, a design and engineering marvel, which almost is finished:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/27/nyregion/27trade.html
Built to Be Noticed, and to Return the Favor
“…For three years now, 7 World Trade Center - the last tower to fall on Sept. 11, 2001, and the first to be reborn at ground zero…The 741-foot-tall building will have 1.7 million square feet of office space, beginning at the building's 11th floor. By the end of August the tower - scheduled to be completed early next year - will have a finished floor to show to prospective tenants…”
How could South Orange Village administration achieve ABSOLUTELY NO MEANINGFUL PROGRESS on its only two redevelopment projects, given twice the amount of time it's taken for a professional developer to re-build a 52-story tower in the face of massive physical, environmental, insurance, financial, and political hurdles?
P.S. The Beifus site is at 7 weeks and still counting.
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Parkingsux
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 27, 2005 - 1:01 pm: | |
MAYBE MAKE A PARKING LOT! AKA LOOK AT MY NAME! |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 308
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 1:16 pm: | |
8 weeks, 3 days and still counting. (Saturday, July 9th marks the Second Month Anniversary of Beifus-Shovel-in-the-Dirt Day.) |
Lucy
Supporter
Username: Lucy
Post Number: 51
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 1:24 pm: | |
I think we should blame Bunny's for this too! Anybody else step up to the plate.... |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 240
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 1:40 pm: | |
Actually Lucy,
I for one am getting pretty darn tired of people always bringing Bunny's and the Pogany's into everything.
Go check the recent thread about the police blotter... or go read about the LL.
So as per your question - SURE! Why not! It seems to be the trend.
No wonder most business owners opt out of participating on MOL (or try it... then leave). |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1098
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:05 pm: | |
Give it a break Sheena and Lucy. John and Bunny's are only a discussion point in the LL thread since John voiced his opinion on the matter. He also showed compassion for the former owner of Campus Subs not having a place to run his business - people then asked why he doesn't rent his empty store front to him since he has the ability to directly influence the situation Shawn is in.
Nobody is picking on the Pogany's or Bunny's but I am sure they are happy they have the online army always ready to attack and defend on their behalf. When you are not there to defend they appear to cut-off conversation and run. Why not enter the LL discussion and defend the strong opinions John has posted on the matter rather than imply this is some conspiracy to drag them into everything. Why not put on your SOAR hat Sheena and ask the hard questions on why his building sits empty with no plans to do anything until 2006?
I only comment on this since I was involved with John in both conversations and never once did it turn into an attack on him but rather two different points of view on the topics being discussed. There is a difference and maybe you should go re-read the threads.
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User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 275
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:14 pm: | |
Sheena I think pizzaz included himself in these discussions. The posting of the police blotter was wrong. But where has pizzaz been attacked at all or any more than anyone else on MOL. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 276
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:17 pm: | |
SInglemalt OUCH! |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:19 pm: | |
User, I only agree that the psoting of the police blotter item was wrong becuase of who posted it, and therefore what was intended by posting it (to embarrass John). If it were any other business in town, it would be a real curiosity as to why the police were called then asked to leave. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 277
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:24 pm: | |
Rastro I agree. But it never should have been posted. It should be removed. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 241
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:29 pm: | |
Singlemalt,
Unlike some on the board, I would rather learn more about the LL than make assumptions and jump down anyone's throat. 1) from what I understand this is a state statute 2) if I were a businesswoman would I want all my competition to have liquor licenses (would you for that matter?)
Okay so John, as a businessman and the only person who is an LL owner posts, then people turn it into something negative that he protects his business and comments on state statue (go read 2 cents remarks and tell me you didn't think that was a little off base).
Singlemalt - do you know the plans that the Poganys' have for their building. Maybe their best interest is dictated by not using that building until 2006 and they have plan for that (by the way that's like... hmmm 5 months away?) BUT in regards to the campus sub thread - he should rent it out... Okay, so now MOL needs to dictate what PIRVATE businesses should do as well? And what's better - is if John says "he has other plans for the space" THEN he would be labeled not being a good "community member".
I'm just trying to keep it real. You raise good questions. In my OWN opinion, I think we spend more time talking about Bunny's and their small property next door they have plans for rather than projects that have taken YEARS...
I think some MOLers tend to expect more from others than they would expect from themselves to do.
I'm not in the Bunny's "army" or whatever term you used which was off base. I call it as I see it and you do to. So let's agree to disagree, okay?
Oh... on a sidenote - the McMansions thread. It's okay for individuals to protect their vested interest of their homes (because that's their money) but when a businessman does it... god forbid.
The blotter posting? What a disgrace. Even worse was how the NR decided to write it. And if you look at the italics on the original post, you'll know what I mean. Classless in my eyes.
Thanks |
gotcha
Citizen
Username: Gotcha
Post Number: 49
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:29 pm: | |
Why should it be removed?
User, I only agree that the psoting of the police blotter item was wrong becuase of who posted it,
Who am I? Do you know? I doubt it.
This is public info and yes, I am and many others are curious .If it were any other business in town, it would be a real curiosity as to why the police were called then asked to leave. |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1099
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:32 pm: | |
The posting was in poor taste but it says more (to me at least) about how bad the NR is than anything else. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 278
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:33 pm: | |
That is not what I said that is what rastro said. I just think because John is a MOL user it should not have been posted thats all.
Sheena see now i am getting attacked! |
Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 748
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:35 pm: | |
Singlemalt- I agree completely. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 242
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:36 pm: | |
STOP ATTACKING USER!
DAVE!!!!!
happy? |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 279
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:39 pm: | |
Thank you sheena. |
susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 791
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:46 pm: | |
Sheena, don't jump to conclusions. Sometimes Pizzaz and I agree, sometimes we don't. But I don't think many of us malign him for wanting to protect a valuable business asset.
If I owned a LL I'd defend its value too. However, as a non-owner of a LL, I don't think the current system is right. I think that it gives an unfair advantage to long-time business owners while hampering much-needed new investments. Is it really an attack on Pizzaz to say so?
I also think that Mark Rosner and others are right in proposing a system where those vested owners would benefit if new licenses were authorized by the state legislature. So heck, not only am I not attacking Pizzaz, I'm actually speaking to protect his interests.
Pizzaz is a tough, and sometimes prickly, guy. He chooses to take a public role and create controversy. I'm mostly glad to have him here, but will defend my right to disagree with his positions.
If you feel a need to keep charging to his defense, that is your choice. However, if you had simply ignored newbie Lucy's remark, there would be one fewer thread arguing about Mr. Pogany and his business!
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 243
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 2:52 pm: | |
Susan,
Agree. And I don't believe you'll find me charging to his defense within the past month. It was just 3 threads all at once discussing the Pogany's and Bunny's was too much for me.
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2031
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:05 pm: | |
"Why not put on your SOAR hat Sheena and ask the hard questions on why his building sits empty with no plans to do anything until 2006?"
Do people understand the written language? I clearly stated that we are awaiting a formal rental agreement on the property. We are not interested in a long term lease arrangement. There is construction going on behind the place and the Sickley property remains dormant with no activity, the rugman has contaminated dirt and a flawed design, shop rite has contamination and easement issues, Midas has issues concerning "the flip", there is a total lack of parking in the village for businesses, the gulf station and Brunner site are vacant, Beifus is coming soon, SOPAC is awaiting a business plan and fundraising effort, the Ralph's cycle shop property is blighted, the former exxon property on Irvington Ave is vacant for 15 years, and you care to squawk about 10W. Malt, get real and join SOAR for yourself. The administration of the redevelopment falls way short of anything we ever expected.
So please understand, in due time, we will commit our business expansion to the space in hand.
That's all Folks!
PS Susan: Controversy and prickly...oh, really. I could easily say the same about you. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 280
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:22 pm: | |
So sheena what do you think of johns response. You say everyone is attacking him. he just in one post trashed sickly, rugman, shop rite, thd, gulf, brunner, and ralph cycle shop who ever the hell that is!
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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2068
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:24 pm: | |
John: Why so defensive? People want to know what you plan to do with your property since you had stated a plan during your campaign.
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singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1100
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:25 pm: | |
He also told me to "get real" and of all insults - "join SOAR" for myself. 
I agree your property is not the biggest problem nor the only problem we face downtown. It would just be nice to see something fill one of those vacant spots. I hope you finalize your lease and someone moves in soon. Good luck. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 310
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:29 pm: | |
Thread drift, which should be redirected to a new "Why's everybody picking on Pizza?" thread, and which can be initiated by Sheena.
For obvious reasons, this thread must remain squarely focused exclusively on shining a halogen spotlight on the 8 WEEKS AND 3 DAYS that have elapsed without any redevelopment progress, since May 9th -- officially recognized as Beifus-Shovel-in-the-Dirt Day.
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2032
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:36 pm: | |
We do have a plan, and it is beautiful. The execution of the plan will be forthcoming in due time. |
gotcha
Citizen
Username: Gotcha
Post Number: 50
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 4:15 pm: | |
Coming soon, Pizzaz? |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2033
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 4:57 pm: | |
Gotcha: You and I will be dancing soon... |
The Oracle of MOL
Supporter
Username: Oracle_of_mol
Post Number: 21
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 5:28 pm: | |
One of Soda's leftovers from the campaign, emailed to me and posted (without any comment) at his request:
Up until he recently finally departed from such shenanigans, I occasionally found idle moments to log on and shake my head at my errant ex-employee's many little online pissing contests, so I must observe: how amusing. Even now that he's gone, the pissing seems to continue.
Your ex-playmate assures me of his firm intent to let you all stew in your own bits and bytes without his help, and I am glad of it. You should all follow his example. Go about your business, and be the better for it. I myself may drop in from time to time to check up on you all, when other entertainments pale...
From the Astral Plane here in Boca, I convey Peace to all mortals in the ethereal (yet slightly benighted) community of MOL.
--The Oracle of MOL |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2038
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 5:56 pm: | |
Sowdy: How's life in the inescapable and self imposed, greatly deserved, long may it last, residency from this great virtual metropolis?
I can tell, you miss me. So, stay busy and go shovel your **** somewhere else.
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2154
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 12:41 am: | |
The word on the street is that construction will begin within a week or two. |
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