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Spitz
Supporter
Username: Doublea
Post Number: 1194
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 9:09 am: |     |
There's actually an intersection in that area called Laurel and Harding. |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 115
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 9:11 am: | |
The area the "new" jitney would be targeting is North of SO Ave and West of Ridgewood.
I believe it would be considered South Mountain.
I would like to see a stop somewhere in good proximity to that area. The hills and snow will have to be taken into consideration. |
sullymw
Citizen
Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 717
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 9:15 am: | |
Laurel and Harding...
I have been looking at houses in that area and the train parking issue is AN ISSUE |
sullymw
Citizen
Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 718
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 9:18 am: | |
ok, we have 1 vote for Newstead and 1 vote for South Mountain |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1279
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 10:27 am: | |
Given that we know very well that MOL is not a representative sample of South Orange, any polling here is meaningless. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2075
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:28 am: | |
Get the buses on the road to service all of the village. We are a designated Transit Village, let's act like one!! |
mary brenner
Citizen
Username: Marybrenner
Post Number: 5
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:34 am: | |
I moved in recently and obviously do not have a parking permit. I walk. |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2096
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:37 am: | |
Pizzaz: Being a transit village does not provide the funds to run jitneys. Theoretically it helps us gets grant money, but that only goes so far.
Most towns do not have jitney service. I would prefer to expand the program only to the extent that we can afford.
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Old and Gray
Citizen
Username: Pastmyprime
Post Number: 166
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:43 am: | |
I don't think heading to Cryans on a weekend counts as contributing greatly to the local economy.
IF SHU did contribute, What happens in five years when ridership from SHU students possibly dies out like it did in the past for their own program, and SHU refuses to continue to support he program? |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2076
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:45 am: | |
How about SOPAC? Do we have enough funding to afford? I'm not trying to be smart with my question, but it seems to me that a comparison of resources expended or anticipated can be made to justify the service. As we know from prior postings, SHU is not looking for a free ride. Perhaps a monthly SHU rate structure can subsidize the community wide residential service to be provided? |
spw784
Supporter
Username: Spw784
Post Number: 728
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:02 pm: | |
Maybe Jeff can answer this question --
Can one get on the jitney at one stop , and exit the jitney at another stop -- i.e. not take it all the way to the train station? |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 317
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:06 pm: | |
The problem is that there must be attractions in town for SHU students - chicken / egg. The only ones currently are to get out of town - NJT or go to Bars.
Hopefully we will have SOPAC / Movie theater(s) shortly.
This gets back to the issue of a "Strategic Plan" for the Village (how do we embrace SHU) and the question of DRMC. Will either ever happen? |
Tracey Randinelli
Citizen
Username: Traceyr
Post Number: 9
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 12:36 pm: | |
Re: the DRMC: I asked about the status of the DRMC at the second June BOT meeting, and was told they would have something to report at the July 25 meeting, which is this Monday.
I'll be there to ask them about it again--would anyone like to join me? |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 270
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 1:08 pm: | |
Next Monday Tracey - you know I'll be there  |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 116
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 1:59 pm: | |
spw784 - I don't see why not. If you pay for a Jitney pass - you ride.
You might have some reverse commuters - train into SO in the morning - and need to get up the hill or Tuxedo Park.
There are a couple of riders taking the Jitney to SH from the station. |
Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 25
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 5:38 pm: | |
>There are a couple of riders taking the Jitney to SH from the station.
How could that be? The jitney doesn't stop at Seton Hall, they aren't on the schedule. |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 117
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 7:08 pm: | |
Yes it does. Call the SOPA for the schedule.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 1741
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 9:37 pm: | |
Sully-
I think Jeff was talking about the name of the new Jitney stop being named 'Soht Mountain.' Great name btw. But the area where the streets you named I alway thought was known as 'Newstead.'
comments - MHD, maybe?
Mark- You're right about most towns not having Jitney's. I know West Orange and Springfield have them. Do you know of anyone towns near us with one?
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 11:56 pm: | |
JTA, I believe Newstead is the relatively flat area above (east of) Mayhew and Harding, at the top of the hill. if you look up South Orange on google maps, it's the area next to the reservation, north of South Orange Ave, accessible via Speir, Glenview, Overhill, and Longview.
There's an area called upper wyoming, but I'm not sure where that is. And there is also a neighborhood called South Mountain. I assume Jeff is talking abou the area between Wyoming and Ridgewood, north of South Orange Ave (e.g. the area wheew orange Lawn is). |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 320
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 8:12 am: | |
jta - take a look at Maplewood http://maplewood.govoffice.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={461ED767-E9A6-4C33-A58B-8BD1A73299F7}
It is my impression that they were the first community to establish the Jitney service and has been the model NJT uses. |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 118
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 9:04 am: | |
I'm not sure of what the official boundaries of the different neighborhood designations are.
The area for the new Jitney Route being explored is:
West of Crest Dr and Crestwood - North of SO Ave (Newstead)
North of SO Ave - from Ridgewood to Harding & Underhill
Hope this clarifies a little bit.
BTW - In the current Jitney survey - it is my understanding that these are the areas that most responses came from.
Glenridge has a Jitney service too.
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Neen
Citizen
Username: Neen
Post Number: 155
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 10:57 am: | |
I thought there was going to be one for the South Mountain area, which I thought was the area south of SO Ave? |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1071
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 11:13 am: | |
There is indeed a jitney stop very close to the main entrance of Seton Hall. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2090
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 1:21 pm: | |
Jeff: What sort of buses are to be leased? How has SOPA reviewed the RFP or contract to ensure that the new lot of buses are not prone to mechanical problems as the ones received from NJT? What safeguards are in place to make sure the buses are running and the expanded schedules are kept?
Since minutes aren't posted on-line to my knowledge, what's up with SOPA since the election? Where are you focusing your attention? Can you comment on the traffic/parking study recently reviewed? |
Neen
Citizen
Username: Neen
Post Number: 157
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 1:45 pm: | |
What about for the quadrant of the town that is South of SO Ave, but west of the train tracks? |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 119
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 4:49 pm: | |
Ford FE 450 from Arcola - State Contract Vehicle
ED Hartwyk called other municipalities to discuss their experience with this bus. The feedback was positive.
While minutes are currently not posted on line to my knowledge, they are available for public review at the SOPA office. I will bring this issue up at the SOPA meeting next Tues July 19th.
Expanding the Jitney service has been my main focus. There has been major maintenance in some of the municipal lots. (ex. Crater in rescue squad lot)
I urge all to attend the SOPA meeting this coming Tues - Village Hall 7pm - July 19th.
Neen - The current Jitney survey did not get much response from that area. Personally, I feel this would be another area that would benefit from Jitney service. Perhaps some from this area might be served on the new route being implemented (a stop on SO Ave)- or the third route tentatively scheduled for late fall. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2099
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 4:59 pm: | |
How about the traffic/parking study? Do we have a "vision"? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6882
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:04 pm: | |
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2100
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:11 pm: | |
How much will the buses be leased for? The state contract purchase price is approx $48k.
http://www.arcolasales.com/nj_comm__contract.htm |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2101
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 5:17 pm: | |
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spw784
Supporter
Username: Spw784
Post Number: 732
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 6:51 pm: | |
As for a stop on S O Ave, between Glenview Road and Ridgewood, heading towards town, I don't there is really any SAFE place to put a jitney stop. About the safest, might be directly in front of South Mtn School, since that is a light-controlled intersection.
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jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 86
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 7:10 pm: | |
Jeff-
I understand that once the additional jitneys come on board, they will serve more parts of town. I assume that means they will meet the peak rush hour trains (outgoing and incoming).
Has any thought been given to have one of the jitneys meet the trains at the other times of day and take riders to any part of the town they reside in? These might not be "regular" users, but occasional users who frequent the city for events or Hoboken for dinner, etc? Similarly, a call-up service to take riders to non-rush hour trains. It would ease the burden of having to find longer term parking downtown during the day. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1079
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 8:38 pm: | |
One thing to remember about jitneys is that they don't carry very many people. That means not everyone will be happy. Almost all of the prime morning jitneys right now are timed for Penn Station travelers. If you go to Hoboken, you're going to be stuck standing around for 30 mins waiting on a train. So it goes. |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 120
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 11:09 pm: | |
JJ- You are correct. Jitney service is currently geared to the peak rush hour commuters.
Expanding the service to non-peak hours would need to be studied - gauging demand - and analyzing a cost benefit analysis of the service. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2111
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 1:29 am: | |
Could you review the analysis and discussions which occured in the decision to lease the buses. How many years, cost comparisons and other factors of consideration. How many miles are the buses limited per year and how does that fit into the demands of an expanded schedule. The simple question is why did SOPA decide to lease?
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 1294
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 7:08 am: | |
While I can't speak for SOPA, these kinds of things are typically leased in business to remain flexible. Le's say demand is not what hey expected. A lease can be ended or modified I can't imagine the pre-owned market for these things is all that great.
C'mon, Pizzaz, you're an accountant. You should know that kind of stuff. Or are you just stirring the pot? |
Howard Levison
Citizen
Username: Levisonh
Post Number: 324
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 7:24 am: | |
I assume that leasing was driven by the projected delivery dates of the NJT "Grant" vehicles (2007...) for these routes.
Jeff, will these leases be covered by the Grants and if not, how will they be paid for? |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:22 am: | |
Let it go John - you and I both know you can care less about the questions you are firing at Jeff in this thread. It's just another example of why nobody voted for you.
Why not tell us how long you are going to keep another store front empty on the avenue? It looks like ••••.
Grow up and clean the restrooms in that place you call a restaurant. They're filthy.
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Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 121
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 10:23 am: | |
Howard - It is my understanding we would be reimbursed by the Grant money. The feeling of the SOPA board was to be proactive. Expanded Jitney service was needed yesterday.
JP - I think your questions would be better answered by the full board. We meet this Tues 7pm. I invite you and all interested to attend. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2112
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:23 am: | |
SM, but you knew best. It seems you're the one who can't give up on the election. I'm happy, Eric got in. Everything else is as we predicted. The votes were split. Your posting shows that you are bitter.
Jeff: My question wasn't meant to discredit or "stir the pot". You spoke about cost/benefit, and this message board provides a forum for many more people to understand the decision than those who might appear before SOPA. I thank you for your invitation.
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mary brenner
Citizen
Username: Marybrenner
Post Number: 12
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 18, 2005 - 10:27 am: | |
singlemalt you are correct about pizzaz which I just figured out is the owner of Bunnies. Pizzaz you restaurant is filthy. How do you complain about anything in this town when you allow this restaurant to be in this condition. I was there a week ago for dinner and the restrooms are disguisting. And when i commented to my server she basically told me sorry but that is the way it is. What would it cost you to fix this problem? I really do not understand how you allow this. My opinion has always been that if a restaurant allows its restrooms to be so discusting then this is a standard for the entire place. I will not return until you fix this problem and I hope you do. |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 122
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 2:12 pm: | |
Jitneys are being leased for approximately $900 per month - 5 year closed end lease - $1 buyout at the end of lease.
Jitneys, Lot 7 and posting minutes are some of the topics on tonight's agenda. 7pm Village Hall - SOPA board meeting. |
Parkingsux
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 19
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 2:21 pm: | |
k |
Parkingsux
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 20
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 2:22 pm: | |
im back!!!! |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 1808
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 9:43 pm: | |
Hey Park-
Are you sure you really want to be back? 
Things have been pretty hot around here lately... |
sullymw
Citizen
Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 735
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 3:34 pm: | |
Jeff: any feedback from the Jitney discussion? Thank you for providing so much info. |
Jeff DuBowy
Supporter
Username: Jeffd
Post Number: 123
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 9:35 pm: | |
We did discuss potential routes at the SOPA meeting this past Tuesday.
Trials and timing still are being done.
It is my opinion that we need to maximize the area covered by the new additional route - to gauge usage - and advertise the service.
Routes must be run in approximately 20 to 22 minutes to be in sync with the train schedules.
The areas discussed were Newstead/Wyoming also discussed was the Prospect area.
The SOPA board did approve minutes to be posted to the web.
jeff
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bets
Supporter
Username: Bets
Post Number: 2116
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:45 am: | |
Thank you, Jeff. |
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