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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 2492
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So, in the last campaign rhetoric, Calabrese claimed the Market would be open by Xmas, which is now less than 7 months away.

We have heard the Developer's Agreement is signed, but not a single ounce of activity is taking place on the site.

What is the latest delay and when will "construction" actually begin?
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Lizziecat
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Username: Lizziecat

Post Number: 677
Registered: 5-2003
Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 11:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Coming soon.
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Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13

Post Number: 1242
Registered: 1-2004


Posted on Monday, May 30, 2005 - 3:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yeah right. Nobody said it would be THIS Christmas.
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newtoallthis
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Username: Newtoallthis

Post Number: 210
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 4:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Any way to keep the graffiti off the side of the market while it's "coming soon"?
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bets
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Username: Bets

Post Number: 1614
Registered: 6-2001


Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 8:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why did you have to remind me that Christmas is coming?
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SO Refugee
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Username: So_refugee

Post Number: 418
Registered: 2-2005


Posted on Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It'll be here before you know it...Christmas that is.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 2493
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 12:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

bump.

Mark or Eric - can either of you explain what is the latest delay and when will "construction" actually begin?

Mark, want to go double or nothing on our bet that it ain't open by Xmas?
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 1967
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 - 1:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My best guesstimate for an opening date (and note, it was not me that said thanksgiving or Xmas) is next spring.
I am not sure what the delay is on starting construction. I expect that an update will be given on 06/13 (next BOT meeting) from Bill Calabrese.

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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 286
Registered: 1-2004


Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 9:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark, I guess you were correct - it's now next spring, maybe!
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Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz

Post Number: 1932
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 9:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was an update given, yesterday? What's going on with Beifus and SOPAC...any news?
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 1995
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 9:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last night Bill C stated that they plan to start construction in September which would mean the market opens in the spring.
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CageyD
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Username: Cageyd

Post Number: 321
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Obvious question... September of what year?
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 1996
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Safer for me not to say.....haha.

September of this year.
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Howard Levison
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Username: Levisonh

Post Number: 288
Registered: 1-2004


Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I had to leave early since there was hardly any air-conditioning (a lot of hot air in the room) and watched on TV at home.

Allan, can someone obtain another microphone for either Ed or John and then have them use it! It was impossible to hear anything they were saying.

BTW - CONGRATULATIONS to Police Chief Jim Chelel - well deserved!
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SO1969
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Username: Bklyn1969

Post Number: 54
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bit of thread drift here, but there is a tie-in...I watched some of last night's BOT meeting (tuned in channel surfing, apparently after any public discussion of SOPAC or Beifus). This was the first time I'd watched a meeting.

Not knowing and not pretending to know much about any particular project and being a newcomer, I offer a few comments:

* Calabrese's off the cuff suggestion that someone start looking into a major re-development of the Baird Center is off the mark.

I've never been to the Baird Center...that said, we have a Town Center/Village that looks like a patient that is having surgery and the surgeons have left the operating room.

Let's finish some of these projects before we start tearing more things up.

Also, Calabrese seemed completely unconcerned about the cost associated with the project. I found that jarring...I would think, given our tax burden, every single thing the Village does would be seen through a fiscal lense. I would hope so.

* Sept. 11 memorial at train station. Calabrese inquired about "his" gas lines being put in to light the flame in time for Sept. 11, 2005. He realized the slip and corrected it. I'm not saying anything about the merits of the project, but clearly he views our tax dollars as available to do the things he thinks should be done - I'm not totally opposed to this approach, if you're a great builder and what you build improves the place. The current Mayor Daley in Chicago does a lot of that stuff - I tend to think, on balance, that Chicago is much better off for it. Then again, I think having clean, attractive, well maintained infrastructure is a big part of what good local government is about...but that's another post...It did make me think someone's comment on MOL about SOPAC being Calabrese's pet project was probably on the mark..yes, a bit of a leap, but I could see that in him...Again, if it brings great glory, he should get much credit. Somehow I don't think it will work out that way.

* Finally, Office Hours. Two of the new members suggested having office hours whereby residents could drop in at scheduled times and share their concerns with one or more Trustees. This was to improve communication. I believe it was Eric and Terri Ann that suggested it. Now, since I'm pretty tight in terms of the remuneration that I think the Trustees should receive, it may be hypocritical for me to say this, but I was terribly underwhelmed by the enthusiasm for this suggestion. Frankly, I thought several trustees looked pretty lazy. Calabrese led charge in watering this down. It looks like it will survive as a once a month (starting in Sept) invitation to interest groups to come in for an hour and share their concerns.
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MHD
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Username: Mayhewdrive

Post Number: 2522
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let me get this straight....

Back in 2001 when the market was first announced, it was stated that construction would take 18 months.

During the election one month ago, Calabrese stated that the Market would open in 7 months (by Xmas)

Now, 1 month later, the project is now going to start in Sept and be done in May (?) for a total of 8 months.

So, how has the DURATION of construction gone from 18 to 6 to.8 months?

What has happened in the past month to cause a 5 month slippage of the projected completion?

Or is everything that Calabrese says a complete and total lie?


This is outrageous!!!!
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mrosner
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Username: Mrosner

Post Number: 1998
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MHD: The timeline for the construction is still 18 months. The idea is to get the parking deck behind the market done while the supermarket is renovated so it could open before the condos are done.
(I offer no explanation for his Xmas prediction and I stated then that spring of 2006 was a more realistic target date.)

SO1969: The "new" suggestion about trustees holding office hours has been raised many times during previous campaigns. My feeling based on the low turnout at trustee meetings, committee meetings, etc is that very few if any would come to village hall to meet with a trustee.
I have taken a different route. I have made myself available to meet with residents at mutually convenient times. I have given out my email since my first day on the BOT and respond to everyone. I have met with people at various places including in the city on a weekday. I have rescheduled committee meetings to accomodate a resident(s) who wants a topic discussed. (Not to mention, I try and answer or respond to questions and comments on MOL).
We have met with interest groups and neighborhood associations in the past and will continue to do so.

I imagine we looked lazy because it was extremely hot in the meeting room (and that is a whole different discussion).

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Sheena Collum SHU
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Username: Sheena_collum

Post Number: 156
Registered: 4-2005


Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SO1969,

It was actually Eric and Stacey who brought forth another attempt to make office hours work. I think it's great to see that the new trustees want to work on ways to make themselves more available but not sure how well residents will utilize their availability.

The trustees weren't being lazy at all. I was in that room for 2 hours and if you managed not to die of heat stroke you were in good shape.
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Spitz
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Username: Doublea

Post Number: 1156
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 1:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

SO1969 - Your observation about Calabrese being unconcerned about costs is right on the mark. I don't think I've ever heard him say we can't afford something. His pet saying is "it takes money to make money" - but he uses it in applying it to the taxpayers of this town.




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Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz

Post Number: 1935
Registered: 11-2001


Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 2:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Mark: Is Beifus building or is it going to be a parking lot...? A little information on a HOT summer day is appreciated.

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