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Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 292
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 11:54 am: |     |
Isn't there a S.O. ordinance requiring landlords holding vacant retail space to cover the inside of their store windows with opaque black paper? The intent is to avoid the "see through" real estate look often associated with blighted downtown neighborhoods. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 251
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 12:06 pm: | |
So now this space is going to sit till 2006? |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 8
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 12:33 pm: | |
Rumor has it that the Midas site has EPA issues (or related). Is this true? |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1085
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 1:12 pm: | |
John, has anyone contacted you about renting the space? I thought I heard through the grapevine a few months ago that a restarant (not Bunnys) was close to finalizing a deal. Did something happen?
Also, what impact does SOPAC have on getting the space rented? Are you waiting to see if SOPAC may need to purchase the property? |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 256
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 1:46 pm: | |
singlemalt call bergdorf and ask them. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1038
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 2:19 pm: | |
So back to the topic of this thread -- which is "Campus Sub -- The Truth Be Told"....
Has the truth been told? Do we have the whole story?
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 234
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 2:21 pm: | |
My thoughts exactly cmontyburns!
Wow... that's a hot avatar you have there, it really has brought out the smarts in you  |
Swearengen
Citizen
Username: Swearengen
Post Number: 4
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 2:22 pm: | |
I have twice attempted contact of said proprietor regarding rent of said establishment only to be met with a stony silence and thousand mile stares. Apparently my pioneering endeavor to provide real booze and sundries to the hooples is seen as in diametric opposition to the landlord's predeliction of serving tomato pie and beer to the masses right next door. Perhaps it was my ****ing ill-mannered assistant Dan who, through no fault of his own, had to temporarily dismantle the blaring music box with his boot heel during our discussions in order that I hear properly that ended negotiations so abruptly? People are too sensitive these days. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2022
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 2:25 pm: | |
 I had a swearengen good time. |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1086
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 2:53 pm: | |
John,
We can start another thread if necessary.... but back to the original questions:
What about Campus Sub taking the property? Is that a possibility?
Is the rumor about a restaurant renting the space true and if yes, what happened?
Are the delays in renting caused by a lack of demand or perhaps SOPAC wanting to purchase the property? |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 9
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 2:55 pm: | |
"The Truth Be Told" was my (maybe not-so) clever way to head my post. So many people have inquired about Campus Sub. It seems each one had a different reason why we are no longer in SO. I simply wanted to explain.
We did not want to leave SO. We were forced out of our original location. Prior to being kicked out, we reached out to SO officials, Main Streets etc.... for assistance. Our feeling was that after 28 years in the same location (how many other SO businesses can lay claim to such) The Campus Sub should not simply be disregarded. I can assure you that nothing was done to help us.
There were no decent spaces available, what were we to do? We had to simply walk away.
After being in town for so long, running a good, clean business (in a long neglected area), supporting just about anything SO related, we had to watch someone else take our business away.
Until this post, no one from SO even commented on us leaving -as if we never existed. That's a great message to send to other SO business owners. "Thanks for your contribution. Sorry to see ya leave".
So we'll do as every other potential SO business owner does. We'll battle the numerous barber shops, nail salons, t-shirt shops and fly-by-night travel agencies for a decent location and (hopefully) come back. And if anyone from SO Town Hall claims differently, I promise you, you are being mislead.
Maybe we expected more. Shame on us.
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2023
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 3:14 pm: | |
All further discussions, by me, on the topic of 10 W. are now reserved for closed corporate board meetings. Our position as posted earlier is clearly stated.
Thanks, all. |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 258
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 3:14 pm: | |
why do you not take the sickly location???? |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1087
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 3:22 pm: | |
OK - thanks John.
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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2062
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 3:28 pm: | |
Sean: I have always found that Main street has been very helpful to business owners.
If you are serious, feel free to email me at mrosnernyc@yahoo.com and tell me what your space requirements, rent expecations, etc and I will do whatever I can to help you find space. At the same time I will seek the reasons as to why you were kicked out of your space along with some other issues you raise. I do have to add that you seem to be really negative and I still think you did not need to criticize THD or make the insinuation that THD got some kind of special treatment (which it did not).
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Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 742
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 3:52 pm: | |
Very gracious and reasonable, MRosner, as always. Sean, take him up on his offer and move forward. There are spaces to be had and we're VERY HUNGRY! |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 259
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 4:11 pm: | |
And Mr. Rosner this person need not knock all the other businesses in town
*****So we'll do as every other potential SO business owner does. We'll battle the numerous barber shops, nail salons, t-shirt shops and fly-by-night travel agencies for a decent location and (hopefully) come back.
Not too professional. He has to battle barber shops, nail salons, t-shirt shops- and fly by night travel agencies. Maybe we do not need a person with this kind of attitude owning a business in our town.
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 236
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 4:23 pm: | |
I don't think Sean was knocking anyone and has clearly just expressed his frustration whether we like it or not. To say he's not "too professional" is unwarranted seeing as though we don't know the "whole story"
Sean - I don't think it's that the people didn't take up for you guys when you were forced to leave (or whatever the reason). Most people don't know the details of why things happen with the businesses (or why things don't happen for that matter).
If I were you, Trustee Rosner's suggestion seems very appealing. If you'd like to come back, which I'm sure all of us hope you do, reach out to him and let's hope you find a place in town! |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 260
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 4:45 pm: | |
Sean business is business. You should approach sickley or bunny abouut their locations. Both are great locations. What about the empty spot on sloan street where the art store was? You should only have issue with your landlord not the residents of SO. It sounds like they supported your business for 28 years you had to be doing a great job. do not go the way of the THD the sloppy joe is dead in this town and at this point anyones to take. so open again and add the sloppy joe! |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 327
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 4:51 pm: | |
Sean- Campus Sub was such a special place. My Dad and I made it our only stop before Giants games for 25 years. My parents would get us Campus for special events. I always had a sub for the bus ride to summer camp. My Mom thought you were such a "nice guy" and called you guys for our boy scout,little league,villagers,chs get togethers.
Yourself,Joe,Schep,Joe,Big Ed & a cast of some of the best guys in town are still missed. |
GlassJoe
Citizen
Username: Glass_joe
Post Number: 26
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 4:56 pm: | |
Hey Swear- To use a phrase borrowed from your screename's character. You are a lying C-sucker. I know Dan the ill mannered assistant. He would never submit to your demands.
BTW:Good to see you did not leave MOL for good.
S. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 10
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 5:48 pm: | |
I want to be clear that I was not knocking THD. I loved THD food and often ate there. In fact, we often "traded" food with each other (when we were sick of eating our own food).
You would have to agree that it seems a bit dubious that the Midas property sat dormant for so many years, failed to satisfy minimum bid on two separate auctions, then is sold at a higher price at a later date. From what little I know of you, you seem in-tune with SO. Have you not heard the whispers? That is not to say they are founded.
As for negative ........ Well before the THD deal, I was approached by someone in Village Hall to consider the Midas property -which I did. Like I said before, I had formal meetings. At the initial meeting, I was assured the property was EPA cleared and the town had documentation as such. I have recently been told otherwise. Do you know anything about this?
I had to hire a financial adviser and architect to advise me on the feasibility of the deal -which cost me a lot of money. I also hired another adviser to draft my proposal and present it to Village Hall -another costly expense.
After discussing my proposed use of the property (which was obvious) and details of the proposal, I was told everything would be presented to the Trustees. Shortly thereafter I received a letter letting me know the town was going to list the property with a Realtor and I would be kept informed of any progress.
It was many months later I heard a rumor that a deal had been made between SO, a bank and the THD.
Is that fair? Did SO shop my deal to another deli? Where was the fairness? Why did SO not keep their word?
I have lived and/or been involved with SO for 35 years and my family a lot longer. I would expect more from my hometown. No special treatment, just fairness and honesty.
Call that negative if you will. Unfortunately for me, it was my reality. Forgive me for feeling soured.
I welcome the opportunity to speak “one off” and will reach out to you. I think it is kind of you to offer. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 11
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 5:49 pm: | |
Matt - What a nice thing to write. Thanks for taking the time to do so. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 296
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 5:57 pm: | |
mrosner: Your assertions regarding Town Hall Deli's purchase of the Midas site are missing some key facts.
After being offered over-the-top rent by WaMu, the THD owner sold out, and approached the Village President and Village Administrator, with the VP's blessing. He offered the failed auction minimum/reserve, and was told that if upped his offer by 10%, Midas was his for the taking. He did, and it was.
After the failed initial public auction, and despite escalating commercial building prices, the Village skipped that time-consuming, messy step of either openly re-auctioning the property or openly seeking requests for proposals. And, the Village Administrator would be hard pressed to prove otherwise. But, hey what's a grease-laden muffler shop, when you compare it to the major downtown parcels for which S.O. grants redevelopment rights without any public auctions or public RFP's?
Sean: While your frustration with trying to buy the Midas site appears justified, and it sounds like your new landlord screwed you, your sour-grapes posts are perplexing.
"We’ve reached out to South Orange Officials for some help locating another spot but –so far, it has fallen on deaf ears."
"I do feel some people in SO turned their backs on me but I do not feel this is the best place to air the dirty laundry."
"I did feel the town let a business that had been in town since 1976 simply go away -especially a landmark like Campus Sub."
"Prior to being kicked out, we reached out to SO officials, Main Streets etc.... for assistance. Our feeling was that after 28 years in the same location (how many other SO businesses can lay claim to such) The Campus Sub should not simply be disregarded. I can assure you that nothing was done to help us."
What type of help were you seeking from the Village or Main Street South Orange? Other than introducing you to landlords with available space, the majority of which clearly is visible to anyone walking the town, were you seeking taxpayer-financed incentives, free rent, build-out reimbursements? In case you haven't notice, S.O. isn't Jersey City, and the "landmark" Campus Sub Shop wasn't Merrill Lynch's back office.
Regrettably, there's always been space available on Irvington Avenue, including space closer to SHU's campus, on the eastern end of South Orange Avenue, and on Academy Street. There's also space available on the corner of Scotland Road and Taylor Place.
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singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1088
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 7:48 pm: | |
Two sense just made too much sense. 
Well said. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 12
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 7:52 pm: | |
I realized there was a landlord problem and inquired about another location well in adavance.
The town did tell me there were grants available for build outs, store fronts and signage to give business owners an incentive to come, stay and/or improve the look of the businesses in town. I was also told there was an effort to have more businesses move towards "The Village" to create a better "Shopping District".
Maybe my gripe is with the greased pole I was run up re: Midas as well as the lack of concern by the town.
The difference between Campus Sub and Merrill Lynch is Merrill Lynch could give a rip about Jersey City. Their relationship is purely financial. There is no (and never will be) personal involvement but I get your point. |
GlassJoe
Citizen
Username: Glass_joe
Post Number: 27
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 7:57 pm: | |
I am not a "new" THD owner fan. I am quasi related to the original ownership; circa 1929. However, Two Sense what you said is slightly untrue. Not by much but slightly. Tony Wonski actually offered asking auction price for Midas prior to that windfall WAMU deal. Trust me,I'm in the know here. Sorry MROSNER. The VP came back to Mr.Wonski & countered with "Well, we listed at $500k but we expected a higher bid." The lone KNOWN bid minus feasability study and square dealing by BOT w/Mr.Flood was mulled & after a few months finally accepted.
The EPA gave Mr.Wonski a "No further Action" find 13 months ago. The deal closed & we are all still waiting.
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growler
Citizen
Username: Growler
Post Number: 698
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 - 10:09 pm: | |
and waiting and waiting and waiting. It's like watching paint dry. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 301
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 9:31 am: | |
GlassJoe: First I believe the auction failed at $565K or $575K, and that THD was asked to up this by an arbitrary 10% (probably to avoid the putrid stink that might otherwise emanate from the back office deal). Second, probably six months passed between WaMu's generous offer and execution of a lease; and, it was during this time that THD sought the Midas site.
Yes, it's sad and frustrating that WaMu approached THD in late 2003 or early 2004, leased and converted a 100-year old deli into a modern bank in less time than it's taken for the THD's owner to even come before the S.O. Planning Board.
What is it about this town, that we attract the world's most incompetent developers? Maybe it's something in the water. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2030
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 9:48 am: | |
I was going to suggest the same to you (it's the water) in the other thread concerning your remarks about regulating restaurants that serve high caloric food. |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1094
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 10:45 am: | |
In defense of THD - I know the owner and he is still planning on moving forward. In addition to the permits, I know he has experienced some unexpected medical problems that are very serious in nature. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 13
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 3:34 pm: | |
I have to say it was nice to place a post and have so much feedback. Whether or not any of us agreed, it really goes to show the passion many of the SO residents have for the town. Major kudos gang!
Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for the insight. And thanks for listening.
For those of you who I misunderstood (or was misunderstood by)... I respect your input.
I'm always open to ideas. Thanks! |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 244
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 7, 2005 - 5:04 pm: | |
Sean,
I was wondering if you have taken Trustee Rosner up on his offer? I know he posted his email address for you to contact him directly so he could assist you. When I've needed help or needed a questioned answered from Trustee Rosner -he normally responds very quickly.
Again, BEST OF LUCK! |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 8:55 am: | |
I haven't yet reached out to Trustee Rosner. Because of our other deli (in another town) we really haven't had the time to do so.
That is not to say we are not interested in coming back soon, we just want to make sure we are set up right -to jump on an opportunity.
I am currently looking at one very good location in town and trying to see if the numbers/zoning work etc....
I am sure if something jumps out at Trustee Rosner (or anyone else for that matter) they -at least, know someone is interested in hearing about it.
Anyone out there with a space to lease/sell? Feel free to contact me.
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Daniel M. Jacobs, PP, AICP
Supporter
Username: Conrail
Post Number: 44
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 9:33 am: | |
There is a relatively large empty storefront (actually two adjacent storefronts) on SO Ave next to the Bagel Store a little East of Scotland. This may be a bit too far from the "campus", though. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1045
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 9:38 am: | |
Sean: You complained that the town was unresponsive to you and no one wanted to help a long-time business owner. You have a trustee here who says he knew nothing about your earlier dealings, but now wants to help you if he can. Why not give him a call or send him an e-mail? |
singlemalt
Supporter
Username: Singlemalt
Post Number: 1102
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 9:47 am: | |
Sean,
Apologies for the questions but I am really curious about the commercial vacancies downtown and you could probably share some real experience of what future tenants are looking for. Here goes....
Are you waiting for someone to offer you a pilot or some type of incentive to re-open your business?
What exactly is it that is stopping you from taking one of the many empty store fronts in town?
-Are they asking too much in rent?
-Are they asking for a lease term that is too long or short?
-Are they not offering an opportunity for you to improve the space rent free (something that is almost always provided) for a period of say 60-90 days?
I ask because I am trying to understand why a good business person like you has stayed away from opening again in South Orange?
My impression is that many people who own the vacant properties are waiting for SOPAC, Beifus, New Market, etc. to be completed so they can either flip the properties for a huge profit or wait until the rental market turns in their favor due to the new developments.
Thanks for any input you can provide and your open sharing of opinions in this thread has been great.
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User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 281
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 10:27 am: | |
I am confused. Sean has not had time to reach out to mr.Rosner for help but has had time to post on this thread? Sean have you sent an e-mail to mr.rosner? Sounds like sean just like to complain... |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 282
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 10:31 am: | |
A perfect spot is the art store location on sloan....Sean have you contacted the owner of this location????? |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 283
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 10:34 am: | |
Sean this is your post Mr. Rosner has offered you help CALL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’ve reached out to South Orange Officials for some help locating another spot but –so far, it has fallen on deaf ears. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 15
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:30 pm: | |
Just here to complain? Not true in the least User 58.
Shortly after leaving South Orange we opened another deli (in another town). I am assuming that you have never worked "deli hours" but doing so requires 70-80 hours a week. What very little time I have left over I spend with my wife and two children.
If you have been following the post accurately you will see my post was to say that I missed South Orange and intended to re-open (for those who have been asking). As well, I wanted to put the crazy rumors to rest as to why we are no longer in SO.
I will reach out to Rosner when I can give it my full attention. I think it would be rude to handle it otherwise.
Remember his (much appreciated) offer is only 2 days old (not two months).
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Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:34 pm: | |
User, was at the art store yesterday afternoon to check out the location myself. I agree, it could be a good location. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 317
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:43 pm: | |
Where's your new place, so we can stop by and enjoy a sub? |
User58
Citizen
Username: User58
Post Number: 286
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:46 pm: | |
Could be a good location? I do not think there is a better location in this town. The business you would get from the some 2000 people per day that take the train alone would be a huge business. There is nowhere in that area to ge a good lunch. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!!!!!!!!!!! I promise I will eat there at least two days a week!!!!
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Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:50 pm: | |
I was holding back from saying so because I did not want to look as if I were soliciting cheap advertising.
I saw that someone else had done something like that before and they really got panned by the posters.
I thought it would look disingenuous.
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Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 318
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:54 pm: | |
In this context, it absolutely would be reasonable for you to share your new location. Or, if you prefer, private line me and I'll post it under the Food section. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 18
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 1:06 pm: | |
Singlemalt
I'll leave the complexities of SO's vacacy rate to be debated by people a lot smarter than I but I do have my thoughts ... which are probably best kept to myself.
I will say that someone from SO introduced me to a building owner (a long time ago) because he was considering selling a building. It seems that some people in SO felt we would be a good "anchor" for the area and my business (thankfully) could use a bigger location.
I was more than modestly interested until I found out the owner wanted approx. $600K MORE than the building was worth! The "comp" on the building was easy for me to do because of my family's real estate business.
That left me a bit suspicious but maybe I was overthinking the reason for introduction.
As for other locations, parking is always an issue with my type of business and the type of building (ie. free standing, with (or without) apartments above, location in town, visability etc... I am sure you know.
There is only so much you can invest in a location so the partnership makes good business sense. See -for instance, the posts on the liquor liscenses. Some have argued that $500K liquor liscenses make buying one cost prohibitive. And besides, a deli works on rather small margins. There is not the type of revenue return a restaurant may have (from the bar).
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Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 19
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 1:12 pm: | |
You are right User. I do not want to come across coy re: the Art Store. Real nice location. I haven't seen the daytime parking situation yet (ie. commuters).
I must admit, I do not know the size of the spot, layout and if a deli can go there at all. Remember, there are "venting" issues that come into play when considering anything food.
As for your offer to come by everyday, that's so cool of you to say. I genuinely hope to personally introduce myself to you. |
Two Sense
Citizen
Username: Twosense
Post Number: 319
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 3:27 pm: | |
Sean, why all the secrecy regarding your new shop? |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 20
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 8, 2005 - 3:55 pm: | |
No secrecy at all.
Hackettstown Sandwich Shoppe & Deli
223 Main Street
Hackettstown
It's a nice ride out to the "country" and a great area. The sandwiches are the same as Campus, we just offer a bunch more.}... and a good butcher dept.
Some of the boys at the SOPD have been kind enough to stop by.
Make sure you ask for my partner Chris or I. |
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