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mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2207
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 4:47 pm: | 
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jayjay: There is some parking (right on valley street). It is within walking distance for a great many people. It is under utilized because the space is not really useful for a field and is not large enough for much else. This spot works.
I have done some research and I have been to some dog parks. The one common denominator to a successful park seems to be having dog owners that clean up after their dogs.
There might not be a pressing need, but there is certainly a demand. As I said, I have received a lot of emails and phone calls over the years. This does not have to be complicated and we can always improve and expand when we have more money.
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jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 179
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 5:05 pm: |
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Sheena-
When you have lived here as long as I have, and paid as much in taxes as I have, then you can feel free to label my concerns as "rhetoric". Till then, please refrain from discrediting my remarks. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1203
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 5:12 pm: |
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So JayJay, in an effort to keep your taxes low, are you saying you want the town to spend more time on researching the dog park project? Maybe hire a manager for it? Hire a project planner?
How exactly would that keep your taxes down? |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 180
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 5:34 pm: |
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cmonty-
Certainly not by spending on "the nice to haves" while the necessities go unmet. Have you seen the budget for the town? Recreation commands $950,000 while capital improvements has $250,000. Priorities are being set whether its admitted or not. Follow the money. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1204
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 8:03 pm: |
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What is it you think that having a dog park means going without?
This is one of those great, community based, volunteer efforts that needs only to have people get out of the way to get it done. It doesn't need a lot of money, it doesn't need beaurocracy, it doesn't need a lot of hot air. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 181
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 9:17 pm: |
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Will the volunteers also cover the cost of insurance? Yes, it is getting hot in here! And oh, do you have a list of those volunteers? I assume they will also truck off refuse, and cut the grass, and paint the fence and construct any benches with the materials they will buy. Hot enough yet? |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 2179
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 9:18 pm: |
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jayjay
It wasn't Gater who said something about people who don't drive it was Debra Davidson. I think it would be great to have a South Orange park AND one in the reservation. Plenty of people already take their dogs up there to run.
Why are you so against a dog park? I'm pretty sure most of those posting in this thread have been to other dog parks. Believe me, Livingston has one and if they had problems there Livingston would close it down in a heartbeat.
You made a comment to Sheena about how long you've been here as if the lenght of time one's lived here determines the strenght of their protests. Well, how long have you been here? If the park isn't going to cost you anything, why should you care if a park becomes a reality? If other people want to volunteer their time let them. A dog park is a thousand times better then the basketball courts. At least dogs won't throw rocks at you!
Wich way to the dog park?!
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Jennifer Grogan
Citizen
Username: Girlnovelist
Post Number: 31
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:28 pm: |
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jayjay said: "Will the volunteers also cover the cost of insurance? ... And oh, do you have a list of those volunteers? I assume they will also truck off refuse, and cut the grass, and paint the fence and construct any benches with the materials they will buy..."
All of the people on this thread who have shown support for a dog park have made it abundantly clear that the answer to this question is "YES!" I will absolutely volunteer to cut grass, paint benches and, in my turn, cart refuse. I have also not heard one person speak in opposition to the idea of a use fee to cover costs of insurance and maintenance. Why do you insist on assuming the answer to these questions is "no?"
There seems to be an extreme cynicism about the sincere desire of dog owners to contribute to the success of the venture. Where is the source of the concern that we simply want the town to build us a dog park for which we will have no responsibility? Dog owners must clean up after their pets and contribute to the maintenance of the park or it will close. It's that simple. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 2182
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 11:22 pm: |
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Jennifer-
I don't even have a dog and I'm willing to help!
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 407
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 3:02 am: |
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JayJay,
My apologies. I won't discredit your remarks if you won't make remarks that aren't credible.
Quote:Recreation commands $950,000 while capital improvements has $250,000.
Have you done your research? I would suggest finding out how much money Recreation brings in... |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 5
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 10:53 am: |
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A Dog park would be great and I would not mind walking there (up to a mile wouldd be fine). |
mrosner
Citizen
Username: Mrosner
Post Number: 2210
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:24 pm: |
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jayjay: Why should volunteers cut the grass? The village already cuts the grass. Why should there be additional insurance? The village picks up garbage now, so this will be another pick-up.
Who said the fence would be wood?
And we all know how much it costs to paint a bench.
We all get it - you are against spending one cent for a dog park despite the fact that there has been a demand to have one and how popular they have proven to be in other towns.
If it proves to cost $1,000/year, I still think it will be worth it. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 186
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:28 pm: |
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Isn't the point of a dog park that dogs can run free? Are you saying that the town incurs no further insurance costs as a result? I am surprised, but that's good news. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 12
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 2:31 pm: |
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How much is the insurance to let people play in the park? For riding sleds? For bike riding? Maybe Jayjay thinks besides taxes we could have use fees for everything we do on public property. Heck, let's close down the parks altogether. I bet that would save money. |
jayjay
Citizen
Username: Jayjayp
Post Number: 187
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 2:56 pm: |
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jeep-
I hope you are not blaming me for the litigious society we live in. The town currently has proposed $2.7 million for insurance costs. Let's be sure that costs incurred are balanced by the benefits they provide.
As for use fees, I don't favor them, but I'm ready to re-think that position. There are already use fees for golf courses and beaches, and many of those are public property. There is no free lunch. |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1214
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 3:01 pm: |
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Well, I think we're ready for a vote. So far we have one opposed, jayjay.
All in favor?
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jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 13
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 3:02 pm: |
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I would bet the bulk of the insurance costs are for medical, not liability.
Property taxes should cover some of what you call a free lunch.
I would never blame you for the problems of society, yet.  |
Jennifer Grogan
Citizen
Username: Girlnovelist
Post Number: 32
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 3:36 pm: |
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Aye!
Aunt, I really appreciate that non-dog owners can see the value here. It's been said before, but dog parks are for the community and the owners ... the pups just get the free ride!!
As for insurance, it is my understanding that people maintain the liability for their own dogs and any damage or injuries they might cause (usually covered by your homeowners insurance) I am absolutely NOT a litigation or insurance expert, but both the parks I have frequented have posted signs and rules stating that by entering, you are assuming full responsibility for your dog yadda yadda yadda.
It may be of interest that most dog fights and the resulting bites incurred when owners try to break them up, by a huge margin, occur when one or more dogs are on leashes. |
Leonard Neeble
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 9100
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 1:52 pm: |
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If we all agree that the dog park must satisfy everyone, we won't build one. Close? Great. Free of risk of lyme disease? Sounds perfect. And don't forget no-cost. |
AlleyGater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 963
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 12:00 pm: |
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Mary Gotz-Rother said:
Quote:As Chair of the "Dog Park Committee" of the Essex County Open Space and Recreation Committee, I can assure you that you will be hearing about a dog park soon close to Maplewood, South Orange and Milburn. I will not say any more until the County Ex makes the announcement.
Mary, are you still with us? I would love an update if you have one. Is there any way that we can help you guys? |
Parkingsux
Citizen
Username: Parkingsux
Post Number: 132
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Mary: I think I almost ran you over the other day when you were walking a dog on a real long leash over by Lenox. I think that dog was way too big and strong for you to walk. In fact, I'd say he was walking you!
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