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Montrose13
Citizen
Username: Montrose13
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 11:00 am: | 
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cmonty-obviously your sarcasm ain't coming through. Tell us what you like about South Orange instead of being flip.
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 404
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 1:08 pm: |
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Old and Gray - I knew I could count on you for that one!!!  |
longfellow
Citizen
Username: Longfellow
Post Number: 42
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 10:23 pm: |
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SO many things to like about S.O.
But I cherish the lack of apathy among many of the MOL posters -- the need and want to make things even better.
SO Maven, we get your drift -- too much bitchin'. But it has a goal, and that is an even better town.
(P.S. Sheena you are a terrific town booster! Will you stay here after graduating, or is this 'practice' for a long life of social action and civic responsibility?) |
Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 49
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 12:54 am: |
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O&G why such hatred toward SHU and their students? Why did you move to a college town if you didn't want to be near college students? Seton Hall is such a great resource and many (certainly not all) villagers seem to ignore or be ignorant of that fact. Instead, more (or so it seems) like to blame the university and it's students for everything that is wrong in their lives. Let's try to keep in mind that the university has been in South Orange longer than any of us have been alive and will still be around long after we're all dead.
Things I like about South Orange?
1. Seton Hall! GO PIRATES!
2. Bunny's - got to love that pizza!
3. The duck pond - but they need to start letting you feed the ducks again. That was always fun as a little kid. |
jeep
Citizen
Username: Jeep
Post Number: 3
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 11:32 am: |
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Concerts in the park - wish they had them all summer.
Farmers market.
Cold Stone Creamery.
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2319
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 11:48 am: |
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South Orange Maven, I do....really  |
AntoninaKC
Citizen
Username: Antoninakc
Post Number: 82
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 4:51 pm: |
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Irvington Pirate- I couldnt agree with you more! |
South Orange Maven
Citizen
Username: Somaven
Post Number: 25
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 9:46 pm: |
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Piz..You do really ...what????? |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 406
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 2:54 am: |
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Longfellow - Thanks . I have a a few decades worth of schooling I still want to get but after that's all done... I'll be back.
I think for every 1 complaint/concern someone has about S.O. - they should be able to spout off 100 things they like. If that ratio is not working for people, I'd be surprised. |
Sean Flood
Citizen
Username: Campus_sub_shop
Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 8:41 am: |
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Gas Lanterns. The Duck Pond. Flood's Hill.
... Certainly some great things about SO. |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 31
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 29, 2005 - 9:38 am: |
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Irvington Pirate you did not address Old and Gray's statement, instead you choose to attack the person.
You should try living on my street when these things occur. Dogs start barking babies start crying and a good nights sleep is lost.
greg spring |
Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 50
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 6:17 pm: |
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OK Grspring, here goes...
O&G posted "I like the summer when the college is out of session, its quiet, there is ample on street parking and no one screaming outside of my window or peeing on my bushes at 3am."
How do you know that the noise is being made by Seton Hall students? Only Seton Hall students scream? How the hell do you know that the people peeing in your bushes are from the university? Do you ask for ID's?
I honestly can't imagine any of this occuring with any sort of regularity (especially the peeing thing, I just don't see that at all). If it did then you should be calling the police.
Parking? It's no picnic in South Orange regardless of whether the students are on campus or not. You all have driveways and parking isn't permitted overnight anyway. Just use your driveway, strangers won't park there so you can.
As for your statement grspring...You should try living on my street when these things occur. Dogs start barking babies start crying and a good nights sleep is lost.
I didn't know someone peeing could wake a baby. (This is sarcastic folks). Most babies wake up in the middle of the night, it's called a 2 am feeding. Students aren't responsible for a baby being hungry in the middle of the night. Also, if you hear a baby crying at that hour it's probably YOUR baby. Either go check on your kid or poke your spouse so that they do. If it's not your baby then there is a baby is very serious trouble because there is no way a baby in another house should be crying so loud that it wakes a person in another house. Call the police because that baby is in danger.
As for dogs barking, they do that. If they do it all the time then your issue should be with the owner of the dog not someone walking down the street.
Geez, some of you people (not everyone) should live in my old neighborhood. You'd never survive.
Also, do any of you have children? Have they gone off to college? If they did I wonder if the neighbors near their schools are accusing them of the same thing you are accusing the Seton Hall students of. This is what really get me about South Orange. It's a great town but all of it's ills are pinned on the university and/or their students. Stuff not blamed on the university is the way it is because you can't seem to get out of your own way to get things done. (Seriously, South Orange must hold the world's record for the most 'Coming Soon' signs with nothing coming anytime soon).
Like I said earlier, Seton Hall was here long before anyone here was born and will be here long after we're all dead and buried. Didn't you notice the university before you moved here? The university isn't going anywhere so wouldn't it be better to work with them and the students instead of against them? |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 33
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 7:04 pm: |
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OK Irvington you're an idiot.
How do I know they are students. Groups of twenty year old white kids walking in the middle of the street talking on cell phones, some wearing Seton Hall logos. I notice because I have opened my front door and asked them to be quiet when walking on the street.
They turn the corner and go into the back gate of the university.
I really don't care about your old neighborhood I care about mine.
You just want to suck up to Seton Hall. Do you condone any anyone who commits such acts or just Seton Hall students.
Send me your number I'll call you everytime it happens and you can see and hear for yourself.
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SO Refugee
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 903
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 8:21 pm: |
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The students aren't perfect, but they certainly aren't the bogeyman behind every tree in Old & Grumpy's life.
I live VERY close to campus and I have far more problems out of the commuters/kids/lowlifes walking past my house that choose to throw their garbage in my yard. Should I take a survey, SHU students would probably only carve out a minute sliver of the pie. |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 419
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 4:16 am: |
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Grspring,
I know it must be very frustrating for you to deal with these issues but things won't get fixed if you don't talk to the proper people.
I can't do anything to help you and neither can the school if we don't know which "SHU Students" you're referring to.
If I knew which street you're on it would atleast give me an idea which student housing you're near and the least we can do is go talk to them and say we've heard complaints, couldn't hurt...
Instead of calling Irvington Pirate to prove a point - call us (Village Liaisons) so we can address the problems the proper way. The number is (973) 412-6856. The VLC President Kristen Williamson (who also posts on MOL) is in possession of the phone right now and she's very friendly... She'll be able to guide you through whatever complaints you have.
I'm confidant you have never called us before because we've addressed the problems that have come in and not had follow-up complaints. In addition, the rate at which residents are complaining has decreased over the past couple years.
We're also addressing this situation with a " how to live off-campus" handbook I've created for students this year. One section discusses responsibilities each student has to their neighbors and to the Village.... I'd be happy to send you everything I have...
I just don't see how getting upset on a message board is going to fix any problems for you and by extension, if you're not happy about how our students are acting then I'm not too happy either because it means that a lot of people from our end aren't doing our job.
That's all - PL me - email me - call in with an anonymous name - doesn't matter. But please get in touch with us somehow next time there are issues.
And that goes for you too Old and Gray but Young at Heart. And come to a friggin' basketball game while you're at it. I'll ask the SHU Pirate to take a picture with you both and you can hang it on the wall |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 34
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 12:21 pm: |
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First let me state that I said "all" of Seton Halls students were a problem but one cannot solve a problem without first admitting there is a problem.
People like Irving want to justify bad behavior by either denying it or implying it's not that bad or their only college students.
I am sure at the university's orientation they explain to the students that they are adults and will be treated as such.
If they were home they would not tolorate people walking past their home in the middle of the night holding loud conversations and violating their property. If they would treat people as you they like to be treated and do not do anything your parents would not be proud of we would be fine.
When we have contacted the University we were told there was nothing they could do because the offenders probably lived off campus. Even after we stated that they enter through the rear gate.
We have complained to the police but they cannot sit on my street and wait for a group to walk by.
If Irving thinks it is proper to disrespect himself and others by supporting rude behavior then he will have a very poor existence on this earth.
greg spring
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cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 1242
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 1:34 pm: |
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Grspring: Why don't you call the police as the group is walking by? That way, the group gets caught, and the police don't have to sit on the street and wait on anyone to show up. Everybody's happy. |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 35
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 3:55 pm: |
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Monty we have done that but we are only a block away from the rear gate so by the time they came by there was none to be found. We actually gave up the night it happened three or four times.
I moved from New York fifteen years ago from the eastside of Manhattan (88th & York). One of the first things I noticed and enjoyed about my block was the quiet, especially at night. The lack of litter decorating the street and the great neighbors living on both sides of my house. Even though the homes around me have turned over, I still have some of the best neighbors in South Orange.
I got the best baby sitter I ever had from posting at Seton Hall. My son was the ring barer at her wedding and the are still intouch. I once gave parking space to a Seton Hall student who had just moved from out of state. The only complaint I ever had about Seton Hall was the noise the helicopters made landing at the university.
A few years ago things started to change. Student noise, cars blocking driveways and trash left in the street and on the lawns.
I am going to drop the subject because at the age of eighteen plus, if they haven't learned respect and common courtesy and there are people that condone these acts, they are a lost cause.
greg spring
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 424
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 4:37 pm: |
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Point taken - but there is no one that condones student's being disrespectful to fellow residents that's why we are working so hard to address the problem. |
Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 51
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 2, 2005 - 8:17 am: |
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Grspring you seem like a very bitter person. You couldn't be more wrong about me. I never said that Seton Hall students were never wrong or never guilty of what you are accusing. However, I refuse to believe that they are responsible for everything apparently wrong in your life.
You strike me as someone who would rather call names and complain instead of working toward a solution. There is no talking to people like that because in their minds they are always right and everyone else is always wrong. Sad way to live.
Remember, if you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Instead of sitting around complaining why don't you try to work out a solution? Sheena has offered a way of rectifying your problem if one actually exists with the students. Why don't you give her a call and talk about it? Seems the students themselves have a number of things in place to handle such problems. Granted it's easier to sit on your butt and doing nothing but that isn't very productive. |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 36
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 2, 2005 - 3:31 pm: |
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Hey Irving, You're still an idiot. |
Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 52
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 2, 2005 - 5:26 pm: |
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Still calling names, huh? Shows your level of intelligence.
Don't discuss the problem, don't talk about it and try to find a solution. Instead, just call people names and keep complaining. 
Seems to me you're pretty lazy when it comes to getting something positive done.
Call the police, call the university, call the student's Village Liasion Committee. Talk to someone. However, if you don't want to take any initiative then please stop complaining and calling people names. How old are you, two? |
Grspring
Citizen
Username: Grspring
Post Number: 37
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 2, 2005 - 8:47 pm: |
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Irving if you read my answer to Sheena you will see that I have dropped the discussion.
You can let go now. Have your mommy make you some warm milk and cookies and take a nap, moron.
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Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 53
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 3, 2005 - 11:35 am: |
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Hey Gspring, were you rejected by Seton Hall? Not everyone who wants to be admitted can be.
Why don't you try growing up? You just want to kick and scream and throw temper tantrums. That accomplishes absolutely nothing, which is what you want to do...absolutely nothing! You just want to sit and complain. You are one very bitter person, I hope you get some help, you seem to need it. |
Kristen Williamson
Citizen
Username: Kris219
Post Number: 76
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 12:36 am: |
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To keep things on a more positive side (and to ignore the name calling/insults)...I'll add what I like about SO.
I really like the town in general, but I love seeing the relationship grow between the University and the Village.
Just today, the VLC sent over 50 students into SO on a scavenger hunt. Our goal was to get the students to know what is in the town. Sometimes students just don't know what is there, so we provided an incentive. We had some great prize packages with some generous donations from our local businesses (Bunny's, Toro Loco, It's a Wrap, Cluck U and Coldstone). The students had a lot of fun and now they know what the town has to offer. I hope the businesses see a postitive effect from this!
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Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 438
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 1:21 am: |
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Kudos to Kris, Brian, Amanda, Erin, Jen & Cat for working on the scavenger hunt. I saw a lot of students downtown today learning more about the train schedule and where everything in South Orange is. Huge Success! - Great Work Troopers
Maybe an effort like this should be recipricated and we have S.O. residents do a scavenger hunt on campus...
Grspring - I'd love to give you a tour. Maybe utilizing some great resources on campus & meeting some students will help counter balance some of the problems you've seen with having a university in S.O. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2422
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 1:38 am: |
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I look forward with the community to the upcoming SHU500 event, Sheena. You guys are the best, and I truly wish you, Sheena Collum, the best upcoming year as Student President. Good Luck. Go Pirates! |
Irvington Pirate
Citizen
Username: Irvingtonpirate
Post Number: 54
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 2:18 am: |
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Kristen and Sheena - Good job, seems like you and your fellow students are really putting forth the effort to have the village see the positive aspects of the university.
Side note for Sheena - aren't you originally from Mississippi? Is your family back home OK? Hope that they were spared any affects of Katrina! |
Sheena Collum SHU
Citizen
Username: Sheena_collum
Post Number: 440
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 4, 2005 - 11:47 am: |
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IP - Funny you should mention that. My parents just finished closing a home and moved to El Paso last Saturday. They were very fortunate. Starkville (where I'm from) was hit but not nearly as bad as the Gulf and in New Orleans. We were fortunate. Everyone needs to keep saying prayers for people down there.
Pizzaz, no no no no... uuuuuu are the best, lol. |
mwoodwalk
Citizen
Username: Mwoodwalk
Post Number: 397
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 8, 2005 - 9:34 pm: |
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Hey--who says you can't feed the ducks at the pond?? We just fed them a couple of weeks ago; nobody said, and I nowhere saw, that it was improper to do so.
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susan1014
Supporter
Username: Susan1014
Post Number: 961
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, September 8, 2005 - 9:59 pm: |
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The anti-feeding rules are enforced at the S.O. Duck Pond. I know that my daughter and mother-in-law were told to stop (2-3 years ago) |
LibraryLady(ncjanow)
Supporter
Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 2691
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, September 8, 2005 - 10:21 pm: |
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Feeding the ducks helps foul_(fowl?) the water in the pond. That's one reason the water is so yucky (among others.) |
Stuart0628
Citizen
Username: Stuart0628
Post Number: 119
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 8, 2005 - 10:26 pm: |
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Twenty things I like about South Orange, not necessarily in order:
1) Tree-lined street
2) Midtown Direct
3) Friendly neighbors
4) Starbucks
5) Starbucks baristas
6) Cait and Abbeys
7) The synagogues and chrches in town that are so supportive to those of us who choose to join--as well as Zayde's butcher for those who keep kosher
8) Easy access to the South Mountain Reservation
9) July 4 festivities in town
10) Some really great restaurants like Voro and Arugula
11) Friendly casual dining places like Bunny's and Toro Loco
12) The tolerant attitudes of most of my fellow Villagers
13) The local parks like Farrell Field
14) Having a train station parking space already (!)
15) The sound of crickets at night
16) Knowing that we have so many neighbors who care about this town, as evidenced by MOL and its posters
17) Sonny's Bagels
18) *Not* having an interstate highway going through town
19) The police and firefighters who have been nothing but helpful when we have had minor mishaps
20) The *promise* of better things to come with Beifus/SOPAC/Village Market |
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