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Dobler88
Citizen
Username: Dobler88
Post Number: 83
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 6:13 pm: | 
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Well, this might sound a little silly (and maybe a little idealistic), but part of the reason we moved to maplewood instead of millburn/chatham/short hills is the diversity. I love that there is a large gay population, a diverse ethnic population, and yet lots and lots of crunchy, open minded people like me (mid 30s, with families, etc). It made me feel like I was still in the City...yet I have a yard and a creaky old house. That is not a knock on any of those other towns--I am just saying that if you are coming from an urban setting it might be that Maplewood is for you.
(this is in addition, of course, to more house for the $$, including our tax bill--and I think this is especially true in terms of houses under 500K, at least in my experience) |
Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 323
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 12:13 am: |
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BTW, South Orange has NOT yet had it's reval, but it has been ordered and is one more thing that is "COMING SOON!" (and we are afraid... very afraid...) |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3710
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 1:24 am: |
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Wendy-
I was just helping you make your point. I get a kick out of people I know who live on the first street off Millburn Ave right out side of the cemter of town. They tell people they live in Short Hills! LOL
Something I discovered about the schools. The Fourth Graders at Glenwood School in Millburn are doing the same work at the Fourth Graders at South Mountain School (South Orange and Jefferson (Maplewood). |
Just The Aunt
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Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 3711
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 1:26 am: |
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Kevin-
Newstead doesn't have it's own zipcode. I didn't even realize Millburn and Short Hills did until this thread. I grew up here and had always thought of Millburn-Short Hills as one town. I had always thought Short Hills was to Millburn that Newstead was to South Orange. Looks like I was wrong. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12020
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 7:25 am: |
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Maplewood: 07040
Millburn: 07041
Short Hills: 07078
South Orange: 07079
They look like two pairs of partners.
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10386
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 7:53 am: |
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JTA, Millburn and Short Hills are one town. They have two zip codes, which is also the case with Montclair and numerous other towns in the state. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4393
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:01 am: |
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Tom- I believe the zip codes were assigned alphabetically (genereally speaking, but not absolutely) for all towns in Essex, Union, Hudson, Bergen, Middlesex.
http://www.capitolimpact.com/gw/ziplist.asp?zip=070&stfips=34&state=nj&stname=Ne w%20Jersey |
bmpsab
Citizen
Username: Bmpsab
Post Number: 185
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:29 am: |
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In response to the question about parks, Millburn has Taylor Park where they are redoing the childrens' playground now. They have free concerts there in the summer, a rec center, and all sorts of events/parades, etc. We like it a lot.
One plus for Millburn/SH is that if you can't find a house that is walking distance to one of the train stations, there is no wait to get a parking permit and finding a parking space is not as difficult as it is in some of the other towns. This was a feature that was very important to us. |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 595
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 1:54 pm: |
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Residents in Millburn with a train parking permit also get free valet parking at the station.
Garbage pickup is included in their taxes. I'm not sure what else is included that MW/SO has to pay extra for. |
Lucy
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Username: Lucy
Post Number: 2640
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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Water & garbage are included in Millburn-Short Hills tax bill so consider that. |
bmpsab
Citizen
Username: Bmpsab
Post Number: 186
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 4:07 pm: |
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Water is NOT included in the Millburn-Short Hills tax bill. |
shoshannah
Citizen
Username: Shoshannah
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 4:18 pm: |
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Water and sewer are not included in a Millburn Township tax bill -- but water is only about $30/month, and sewer is about $100/year. And as for the valet parking . . . that's there to provide more parking spaces because the residents are opposed to a multi-level parking garage. And yes you can get a permit as soon as you move here -- but the permit does not guarantee you a spot. You have to get to the station early to make sure you get a space. |
bmpsab
Citizen
Username: Bmpsab
Post Number: 187
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 5:14 pm: |
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Just to clarify further about the parking situation. Once the main lot is full at the Millburn train station, the valet takes over so that there can be additional parking in the lot. Once that lot fills up, they allow you to park next door in the town lot. The bottom line is that you do not have to get there early to get a spot. |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 596
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 5:25 pm: |
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From Millburn, you also get a seat on the train before it gets to Maplewood / South Orange. I know that this used to be an issue a couple of years ago with standing room only, but I think that NJ Transit has since re-organized the schedules or added cars.
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Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 331
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 7:34 pm: |
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Valet parking? You're serious?
wow  |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 598
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 8:55 pm: |
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I believe that most of the Montrose section in South Orange as well as much of the Wyoming section of Millburn and the Short Hills Park section of Short Hills are protected as a historic district.
In Millburn/Short Hills, this means that if you want to make any external changes to your property, you will need to attend a regulatory hearing with the Historic Preservation Commission.
I'm not sure if the same goes for Montrose.
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doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 859
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:01 pm: |
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Old Toad,
Both SO & Maplewood (as well as Millburn) have nice sized parks right in their centers. SO/M have lots of activities throughout the year - celebrations, sledding, concerts etc. There are team sports, tennis courts, playgrounds etc. for all to enjoy. Maplewood even floods a little section near the library for ice skating (when it's cold enough to freeze!) & often trees In SO are surrounded by hay bales for safer sledding...last summer we enjoyed Wednesday concerts (I think that was the day) in the SO park & would buy food from food venders & picnic with friends...lots of great stuff to do.
When looking for more open space, the Reservation is right there. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 41
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:14 pm: |
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Re: Montrose external changes. You cannot cover more than 30% of your land with the footprint of your house (and its additions.) There may be more rules, but this one, I know. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4986
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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One difference between the various towns -
In Maplewood and South Orange, you can wind up in an online discussion with your neighbors about this topic. |
sac
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Username: Sac
Post Number: 3058
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:52 pm: |
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Lately the Millburnites (Millburnians?) have been playing here some also. |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 4987
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 9:59 pm: |
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Millburnistas?  |
taam
Citizen
Username: Taam
Post Number: 23
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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Millburnonians
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taam
Citizen
Username: Taam
Post Number: 24
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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We live in Maplewood, close to Wyoming & always wonder where is the town line/street that separates Maplewood & Millburn. SO has a sign, so we know where that is. Anyone know? - just out of curiosity? |
shoshannah
Citizen
Username: Shoshannah
Post Number: 1153
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 10:53 pm: |
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On Wyoming Ave, the house just north of Clinton Ave is the last house in Millburn. Clinton Ave up the hill is Millburn, but Clinton Ave down the hill is Maplewood. Lower down the hill, Berkeley Ave and Mountain Ave are half and half -- the town line is halfway down the street. Also, there's this dead-end, on the Millburn side of the golf course, called Milton Street that has about four houses in Maplewood and the rest in Millburn. I found out where the town line was when we were house-hunting. |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 600
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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To illustrate what shoshannah said, here is the line between Maplewood and Millburn. No clue why it was drawn this way:
I cut a tad too much off of the right side, but it is obviously Maplewood |
Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 337
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:34 pm: |
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Not only does South Orange have great signage, thanks to the efforts of Main Street South Orange (www.mainstreetsouthorange.org), but you can always tell that you are in S. Orange when you see gas-lamps for street lights.
I love the look!  |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 29
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 11:46 pm: |
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kevin wrote:
"No clue why it was drawn this way"
More to the point, why haven't these various town lines been re-drawn so that they don't cut through properties? They could at least follow street lines. |
ken (the other one)
Citizen
Username: Ken
Post Number: 375
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 7:17 am: |
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The town lines were drawn way before the streets and individual property lines were even thought of.
I believe that the Maplewood/Millburn border was actually the original border between the Township of Springfield and the Township of Orange, when each township encompassed several of today's towns. The Townhip of Orange was eventually broken down into smaller townships, such as South Orange Township, which included the Village of South Orange, and the area known as Maplewood. It wasn't until 1923 when Maplewood officially became a town.
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Handygirl
Citizen
Username: Handygirl
Post Number: 525
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 9:46 am: |
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I had no idea that so much of Wyoming was actually Millburn. This thread is an eye-opener! |
shoshannah
Citizen
Username: Shoshannah
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
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And before Springfield and Orange, the only two townships in NJ were Elizabethtown -- which encompassed present-day Millburn -- and Newark, which encompassed present-day SO and Maplewood. |
taam
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Username: Taam
Post Number: 27
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 1:10 pm: |
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Wow! Thanks for the map & info. I am also really surprised. For some reason I thought Millburn started down by Elm or that area. - But, I'm probably still considered a newbie. Thanks again! |
lizzyr
Citizen
Username: Lizzyr
Post Number: 227
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 8:30 am: |
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Another significant difference I've observed between Millburn/Short Hills/Chatham vs Maplewood/South Orange is that the latter towns have more working mothers. I have no personal knowledge of Livingston and Westfield. |
Cynicalgirl
Citizen
Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2273
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 2:55 pm: |
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What gets me is that on the way to the Livingston Mall, it appears that you pass through Millburn and Livingston. That's what the signage implies. Can it be true? |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10445
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 3:54 pm: |
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Given the difference between median household income and individual income here in MW I always thought we were the two income capital of NJ. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12144
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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Yes, you pass through Millburn. Depending on the route, you might pass through South Orange, too, and then you would pass through the Short Hills section of Millburn. And of course you pass through Livingston to get to the Livingston Mall. Why is that surprising?
"This is the only thing my signature says."
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Cynicalgirl
Citizen
Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2274
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 4:38 pm: |
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My sense of geography isn't great! I always think of Millburn and then Summit Short Hills as sorta NW of here. I think of SO as W of here and Livingston as NW. I go to the Livingston Mall by travelling across Prospect or Valley to S Or Avenue. So, obviously I pass through SO. I take SOr AVe up to the Mall. I knew I was going to Livingston, but I just don't have a mental map of Millburn as stretching that far!
I really should look at a county map or something and see the town lines to get a better pix. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 12147
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 4:40 pm: |
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I like the Hagstrom maps of the counties. They have all streets. We have an Essex map in the kitchen and one in each car. I also carry county maps of the counties I go through.
"This is the only thing my signature says."
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kathy
Citizen
Username: Kathy
Post Number: 1249
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 7:31 pm: |
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Cynicalgirl, Your sense of geography bears no relation to the actual! SO is north of Maplewood, except that the part of the Reservation that is in Maplewood sort of wraps around to the west of SO. MIllburn is if anything SW of Maplewood (but Short Hills is north of Millburn, west of Maplewood/SO) and Summit is even further SW.
Traveling west on SO Ave., you pass from SO into Maplewood (The Top apartments are in Maplewood), then into Short Hills (Temple B'nai Jeshurun is in Short Hills), then into Livingston. |
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