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New to Maplewood
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Username: Newtomaplewood

Post Number: 38
Registered: 5-2005
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My baby is too getting big for the infant seat, so we want to move our 3 year-old out of the convertible seat and into a booster. She meets the height limit for most of them, but is a few pounds short of the weight limit. Are any of the high-back boosters appropriate or should we wait? I'd get a booster with the five-point harness, but I'd rather not end up with another 30lb car seat, since we'd like to use this for travel and carpooling.
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akb
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Username: Akb

Post Number: 387
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'd use a high back, 5 point system for a while yet. I know they are a pain to travel with (trsut me, I know!), but IMO she is really too young/small for the booster that works with a seatbelt.
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joy
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Username: Joy

Post Number: 386
Registered: 5-2001


Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We're in the same boat.

We were looking at the Britax star-something or other.

anyone have any other recommendations?
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New to Maplewood
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Username: Newtomaplewood

Post Number: 39
Registered: 5-2005
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We're thinking about the Britax Parkway. The minimum weight is 30 lbs and she's just under 29. She does make the height limit, though. My baby has one more lb before he's out of the infant seat (he's already a hair over the height limit) so we're running out of time!
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CageyD
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Username: Cageyd

Post Number: 601
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

YOu may be overworrying on this. My kids are almost out of boosters so it doesn't much matter to me but I've read in a number of places now that once a child is over 2 the real benefit of a booster is - to say the least - minimal. The biggest safety factor for a child is sitting, buckled in the back. I am not suggesting that you not get a booster, but the concern over a pound or two under the recommended weight probably isn't as big a factor as you might think,
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Amie Brockway-Metcalf
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Username: Amie

Post Number: 504
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 12:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What's the age limit for a booster? I have a very tall just over 30lb 2.9yo.
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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 483
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 1:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.carseat.org/Boosters/630.pdf

Kids need a booster seat until they are 8-10 yrs!

Quote:

Vehicle seats and belts are designed for adult bodies. For children who have outgrown a safety seat with a harness, a booster seat is needed to keep the lap belt on the upper thighs and the shoulder belt centered on the shoulder and chest.

Young children who are placed in vehicle belts rather than booster seats are 59% more likely to suffer devatating injuries, including severe damage to the brain, liver, spleen, and spinla cord. Most children need to use a booster seat from about age four until at least age 8-10 for maximum protection and improved comfort in the car.




(Why risk such precious cargo? )
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redY67
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Username: Redy67

Post Number: 4890
Registered: 2-2003


Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 1:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

We use the Graco Booster with the back for our three year old. The great thing is that the back comes off for when she gets older, and the price.
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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 484
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 1:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://www.nj.gov/lps/hts/childseats/childseats_newlaw.html


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Effective December 1, 2001, New Jersey's child passenger safety law requires:

*Use Child Safety Seats up to age 8 or 80 pounds

*Use Seat Belts age 8 to 18

*Children up to age 8 or 80 pounds must ride in a safety or booster seat in the rear seat of the vehicle. If there is no rear seat, the child must sit in the front seat secured by a safety or booster seat.

*Children under age 8 who weigh more than 80 pounds must wear a seat belt anywhere in the vehicle.

*Passengers age 8 to 18 (regardless of weight ) must wear a seat belt anywhere inside a vehicle.



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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 485
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 1:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NewToMaplewood - I have found the message boards from the authors of "Baby Bargains" and "Toddler Bargains" to be an invaluable source of real-parents' experiences/opinions regarding everything to do with kids!

See this link for a discussion about a 3 yr old that has outgrown his car seat.

http://www.windsorpeak.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=44&topic_id=2915&me sg_id=2915&page=

Good luck!
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Jennifer
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Username: Jkohan

Post Number: 56
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 8:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Great recommendation PDG! Those are my bibles!! Also--you don't want a Booster seat--you want a Convertible seat--that is what's next after an infant seat. If you can swing it--Britax seats are consistently rated at the top and worth every penny.
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Jennifer
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Username: Jkohan

Post Number: 57
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 9:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

oops--I re-read your original post and realize that you want to move your older child up to a booster--sorry!
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CageyD
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Username: Cageyd

Post Number: 605
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 4:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Pdg,
I am all in favor of boosters and use them but even the Federal Govt (I think the Nntl Hwy Sfty Bord and the Consumer Product Sfety Comm) found that there is really very little benefit of boosters. The push for such legislation as 8 years or 80lbs does not reflect real risks but rather parental fears of not doing enough to keep their kids safe.

Granted there is nothing wrong with working to keep children safe in vehicles, even if the actual benefit is statistically insignificant. My only point is, in light of these realities, sweating out a pound or two is needless worrying.
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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 488
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I completely disagree with what you are saying. Do you have any valid sources to site? Everything I've read says exactly the opposite.

I've "heard" stories and read articles about 7+ yr old children who have been strapped in w/regular seat belts that have been seriously damaged by being thrown from a car, or have died with severe internal injuries b/c of the harm the regular seat belt does to their organs. I do not have the time to research and find these articles, and therefore didn't mention them previously.

For you to say booster seats offer insignificant protection for children under 80 pounds is impossible for me to believe. I'll be strapping my kids in at least until 80 pounds and I'll recommend the same to parent who will listen.

Bottom line: It can't hurt, and if it can help, why not do it? Besides, it is the current law in NJ and other states.
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CLK
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Username: Clkelley

Post Number: 1949
Registered: 6-2002


Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 2:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

NHTSA definitely endorses the use of boosters, because research shows that the use of boosters reduces fatalities by a substantial amount. From the NHTSA web page:


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According to another important study conducted at CHOP, transitioning children from child safety seats to belt-positioning booster seats instead of vehicle safety belts provides significant safety benefits for children at least through age 7.

CHOP found that the use of belt-positioning booster seats lowers the risk of injury to children in crashes by 59 percent compared to the use of vehicle safety belts alone. The finding comes from a study of children 4 to 8 by Partners for Child Passenger Safety (PCPS), a long-term research project based at CHOP and funded by State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Company.

The study – “Belt-Positioning Booster Seats and Reduction in Risk of Injury Among Children in Vehicle Crashes” – was published in the June 4, 2003, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, and provided the first real-world evidence of the added safety benefits of belt-positioning booster seats over safety belts alone.

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/childps/BoosterSeatProgress/pages/RecentR esFindings.htm




Here are some tips from nhtsa:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/childps/newtips/pages/Tip1.htm

This isn't about parental fretting - it's about real safety advantages.
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CLK
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Username: Clkelley

Post Number: 1950
Registered: 6-2002


Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 2:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BTW, the study referenced above was only conducted on children age 4 - 7, so can't make strong conclusions about 8 year olds. However based on what I read, I'd be conservative about the use of a booster.


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In addition, the study demonstrated that proper positioning of the safety belt by the booster seat virtually eliminates injuries associated with safety belt syndrome, including injuries to the abdomen, neck, spine, and back, as well as lower extremity injuries. In contrast, children in the study who were restrained in safety belts alone suffered injuries to every body region.

CHOP/PCPS conducted in-depth analyses on 4,243 children 4 through 7 who were in crashes reported to State Farm from 1998 through 2002. The PCPS data demonstrates that booster seat use, while on the rise, remains quite low. Only 16 percent of 4-year-olds, 13 percent of 5-year-olds, and 4 percent of 6- and 7-year-olds were using booster seats.


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AES
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Username: Room_to_move

Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Sunday, February 19, 2006 - 9:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/SeatBeltSolution.pdf#search='booster%20seats%20ny%20times'

I think this article that appeared in the NYTimes addresses what CageyD is saying
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Pdg
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Username: Pdg

Post Number: 493
Registered: 5-2004


Posted on Monday, February 20, 2006 - 2:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Page two of the article states that their single sample testing didn't account for "neck and abdominal injuries" which are much worse in selt-belt-only use vs proper booster seat use.

And nowhere did I see it say that booster seat use provided insignificantly improved safety. Their conclusion seemed to be 'some restraint is better than no restraint.'

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