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Seagull
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Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 5:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Friends of ours just had a baby and we've been invited to the bris.
Having never been to one, I have a couple of questions...
1- The invite was left on voicemail "...hope you can make it..." We're not sure if this includes our 15 month old. Are (other) children normally welcome at a bris?
2- What kind of gift should we give?
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Joanne G
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I would be reluctant to take a young child but then I've never been to a bris (in my circle it's usually men who are invited, if they do the ceremonial thing).

I'm also not sure if it's a gift-giving event however something to symbolise life or fertility would be nice. It's corny but I would go with a gift certificate to a conservation charity, for an amount in a multiple of 18 - modest, thoughtful, expressing values you'd like the little one to grow into. I assume you've already given a baby gift of some kind? Otherwise just go with whatever you'd give for a new baby.
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Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 5:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gifts are not normal. Bringing the whole family is. The ceremony is quick, and lots of people choose to stand back far enough that they can't watch. You will notice that most of the men cross their legs in sympathy at the moment of truth.
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I wouldn't bring your baby, if you possibly can avoid doing so. I've been to some where there are kids present, but usually only when there's a plan to keep them in another area. The ceremony is short, but it's hard to imagine a toddler staying still and quiet for it. You can usually leave pretty shortly after the event if you need to do so.

Bring a baby gift. Or -- my fave -- bring a card that says "On Tues...whenever, I'll drop off dinner and we can catch up."

The parents will be exhausted and everyone else emotional.

Mazel tov!
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When I go to a bris, and when I held the bris for my boys, you usually called the host and asked if it was ok to bring young kids. Some people don't want kids in their house after they have a baby, while others have a more the merrier approach.
As for gifts, you don't have to bring a gift with you, but it certainly not looked down upon. If you bring a gift, don't feel you have to give a second gift to celebrate the baby's arrival. (Hope that makes sense).
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I've only been to one bris, and I was thankful there were so many people there that I had to stand far back from the "event"...

I brought a baby gift, as did most people I think. Of course, I'm not an authority on bris etiquette, but that was just my observation at the one I went to.
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A bris gift is not necessary if you've already given a baby gift. One gift to celebrate the happy occasion of a new soul should be enough.

As for bringing your little one, I'd call as well. Make sure , when you ask, you don't seem anxious to get an affirmative response to bring your toddler. People are sometimes hestitant to tell you how they really feel if you obviously want a specific answer to your question.
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Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 8:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's try to figure out what NOT to bring.

Any ideas LL?
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Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 8:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Liquid bandaids?
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 8:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The old Mohel, Dr. Carver still did circumcisions. One afternoon he was called to the Goldberg house. The baby and guests were waiting anxiously.

The mohel came out of the room a minute after he'd gone in and asked Mr. Goldberg, ''Do you have a hammer?''

A puzzled Mr. Goldberg went to the garage, and returned with a hammer. Dr. Carver thanked him and went back into the bedroom. A moment later, he came out and asked, ''Do you have a chisel?''

Mr. Goldberg complied with the request.

In the next ten minutes, Dr. Carver asked for and received a pair of pliers a screwdriver and a hacksaw. The last request got to Mr. Goldberg. He asked, ''What are you doing to my son?''

''Not a thing,'' replied old doc Carver. ''I can't get my instrument bag open.''

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snowmom
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Attending a bris is considered a 'mitzvah' ie a good and important thing to do. Invitations aren't sent, it's usually word of mouth, and commonly there are tons of people and lots of food for afterwards. It's a joyous occasion! The ceremony itself is usually not long. A baby gift is certainly appropriate and appreciated; remember that most Jewish families do not have baby showers ( ie gifts) prior to the baby's birth.
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soresident
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A bris is held 8 days after the birth of a boy, hence the telephoned invitation. Whether or not children are welcome varies, depending on amount of guests, size of home, etc, so a call to inquire is definitely the courteous thing to do. Generally those invited to a bris are many of the same people who would give a gift to celebrate the birth of this new baby. Given the short notice, you need not feel compelled to bring any gift you would chose to give that same day (but many people will do so; saves the hassle of sending or having to deliver a gift to frenzied new parents).
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melicious
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 9:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thnk a nice gift is, like someone else mentioned, an offer of service (pick up groceries, make dinner, walk the baby around the block while parents nap) or a gift card to a photo place (Moto, Picture people).

I am not a big fan of the "canned" baby picture, but my parents are - we took the kids every holiday for pictures for the grandparents (baby in the blanket, baby outta blanket, baby in boat...) Someone gave us a gift card for $40 and it paid for a years membership.

Bringing your baby may be stressful for: a) your kid (kids cry when other kids cry), and b)if the new baby hears another kid cry, he may be more upset.

Just a thought.
m

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Thanks everyone. I appreciate all of the helpful responses- MOL is the best!
It's being held at the rec hall of their temple (not at their home which I guess would be too small)
I'll bring a baby gift since this will be the first time we're seeing them after the baby's birth (they live kinda far away). I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't a customary gift, for example- I was surprised at how many people (aunts/uncles/cousins) gave us savings bonds for our son's baptism.
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xtralargebrain
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 8:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is Maplewood Online really an appropriate forum to discuss protocol for what is effectively male genital mutiliation?
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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 8:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Of course it is, but when you put it that way it should be in Soapbox.

xtralargebrain, I will miss you when you're banned. I have a feeling it won't be long.

J.B.
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xtralargebrain
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I dont disagree with you. Perhaps this is a soapbox issue but there is just something so weird about people having an animated and robust discussion about removal of the foreskin on a baby's genitals that I had to speak out. Future (read: more intellectually advanced) civilizations will look back on our silly customs one day in complete horror.

I guess its time to resurrect the "pet peeves" thread again.
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Case
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How do you know about the old 'pet peeves' thread with only 6 posts?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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MAJOR BENEFITS OF CIRCUMCISION

1. Prevents urinary tract infections throughout life, most importantly in infancy
2. Prevents HIV/AIDS infection and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)
3. Prevent cervical cancer in female partners of uncircumcised men
4. Prevents cancer of the penis
5. Prevents infected/unretractable foreskin and penile skin disease
6. Promotes Lifetime ease of cleanliness
7. Women's sexual preference
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xtralargebrain
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There is no meaningful data to support items 1,2,3 and 4. With respect to Item 5 and 6, any male that can't manage his hygiene properly deserves a penile skin disease. Item 7 is really just silly. What does that mean exactly?

It might be slightly more painful to have a circumsion at a point in your life when you can really weigh all of the FACTS but whats wrong with letting a male make that decision on his own and when he is ready???? In any case, is it really necessary to turn the removal of the foreskin into an event? On some level, its really sick. Just think about it.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Personally, it doesn't affect my sexual preference one iota.

Case - I called it yesterday: http://www.southorangevillage.com/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=3135&post=595316#POST5953 16

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xtralargebrain
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So the inference from Flying blahblahs Item 7 is that we will see more women choosing a lesbian lifestyle as more men take control of their bodies?
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The rabbi gets the money but the mohel gets the tips.

{ba-da-bum}
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xtralargebrain
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thank you ladies and gentlemen, I'm here all week.
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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Imagine circumcision was never invented. Then, a doctor suggests it for the reasons Flying Spaghetti Monster suggests.

Not likely to be adopted. We don't remove the appendix to prevent appendicitis. Nor the breasts to prevent breast cancer. Nor the ovaries and uterus of post-menopausal women to prevent those cancers.

Circumcision is a religious procedure in the case of Jewish boys, and a habit among the rest. It is not done for medical purposes and should not be argued that way.

FSM, I assume, from your username, you have an opinion about religion. Speak to that, if you must speak on the issue at all.

I'm neutral on it. But, I don't think anyone should argue that it is done, or should be done, "for medical reasons."

As for the sexual preferences of women, don't they usually find out once they're already committed at least for one night?

J.B.
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Dated Today....


Quote:

Circumcision Reduces HIV Infection Risk Says Study

Cape Argus (Cape Town)
NEWS
May 2, 2006
Posted to the web May 2, 2006

By Di Caelers

Uncircumcised African men are at higher risk of HIV infection - because the inner surface of the foreskin contains cells that make it highly susceptible to infection.

This new data, believed to be the first of its kind in African men, adds further weight to a South African study that last year revealed that circumcision could protect two-thirds of men from contracting HIV.

According to the authors of the new study, published in the American Journal of Clinical Pathology, their research among Kenyan men is the first study of human foreskin tissue that examines why, biologically, uncircumcised African men are more likely to contract HIV than their circumcised counterparts.

There are however existing studies of English, American and Australian men, which found that HIV target cells were found in higher proportions in the foreskin than in other tissues.

In fact, in the US these so-called Langerhans cells were found in the foreskins of adults and children in quantities six times that found in adult cervical tissue.

In the British studies, these Langerhans cells were found in higher densities in the foreskins of children and adults, than in cervical, rectal or vaginal mucosa.

The study authors suggest keratin, or lack thereof in uncircumcised men, may provide the answer.

They explain that in circumcised men the outer surface of the foreskin and the glans penis have thick layers of keratin which acts as a protective layer. However, keratin is all but absent on the inner surface of the foreskin putting this area at higher risk of HIV infection.

Keratin is the substance that forms the basis of nails, horns and claws. They suggest this thick layer of skin cells acts as a barrier to HIV.

The Cape Argus reported last year that circumcision could offer something of an Aids "vaccine" after South African research proved that male circumcision was equivalent to a vaccine with 63% efficacy.

The study was conducted in Soweto between 2002 and 2005, included more than 3 000 healthy and sexually-active men aged 18 to 24, and its results were hailed as the most exciting HIV prevention information in the previous 10 years.

Now the study of the Kenyan men, aged 18 to 24 who were circumcised in Kisumu, has identified that the density and position of HIV target cells in the foreskins of these men make them "highly susceptible" to HIV infection.

The authors also report that they examined differences in the presence of these HIV target cells in 20 men with no history of sexually-transmitted infections, and 19 with such a history. They reported no statistical difference in the number of HIV target cells in the foreskins of the men in either group.

The other significant factor was that most of these Langerhans cells were found near the surface of the epithelium (the tissue forming the outer layer of mucous membrane), suggesting these were the cells likely to be infected by HIV first.

Most important perhaps, they point out, is that "evidence from studies in diverse settings and populations is consistent: many HIV target cells are present in the human foreskin, and Langerhans cells are present near the mucosal surface of the inner foreskin".

In the light of existing evidence, they suggested, "it is plausible that circumcision reduces the risk of HIV acquisition through the penis by physically removing HIV target cells positioned close to the mucosal surface of the inner foreskin".

In respect of South Africa's foreskin study results last year, Dr Francois Venter, clinical director of Reproductive Health and HIV Research at the University of the Witwatersrand, said that the Soweto study was the first large trial examining male circumcision as an intervention to reduce female to male HIV transmission.

In the Soweto study, about half the more than 3 000 men involved were circumcised by medical professionals, and the rest remained uncircumcised. All received counselling on Aids prevention.

But after 21 months, 51 members of the uncircumcised group had contracted HIV, against only 18 members of the circumcised group.

The Kenyan study researchers have called for more studies to identify the exact process by which HIV infiltrates target cells in the penile tissue.

Such research, they said, would increase understanding of how circumcision could protect against HIV infection, but could also be the basis for development of effective penile microbicides.


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Rastro
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Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FSM, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You take other people's proof, rather than forming your own opinion. How can you call yourself a thinking person, when you listen to what other people tell you to believe? Think for yourself. Then you will realize that circumcision is bad. If other people want to believe, research, prove, report, and teach that it's healthier, that's their problem!

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Jersey Boy
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

FSM, no fair posting new information on THE day it's reported.

I stand corrected.

J.B
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 5:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

So when is this moving to Soapbox????

Bris ettiquette: Bring a gift if you haven't given the baby a gift yet

If your friends know you have kids and they did not specifically mention not bringing the kids, I think it;s safe to assume it's ok to bring kids. If you wanted to be extra cautious, go ahead and call. Also, if your child has a cold, I think ettiquette would call to leave him home or not go.
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Debby
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I used to share Jersey Boy's views. I am Jewish, and by boys had brit milah, but I thought that if I were not I would probably opt against.

Then my coworker adopted a baby boy from Mexico. The baby was already 10 months and not circed, so he left well enough alone. About a year later the boy developed an infection, wherein the foreskin became adhered to the glans and he had to have a surgical circumcision which was horrendous. My friend said that after what his son went through he would recommend newborn circumcision to any expectant parent.

BTW - that is very interesting information about HIV
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Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 6:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Was it circumcised or not?

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20060501/tutpnis_arc.html?dcitc=w01-101-ae- 0000
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Debby,

Your reference about the adopted baby boy is not at all compelling and frankly, very lame. In the final analysis, informed people will come to understand that circumcision is painful for infants, medically unnecessary and has tremendous risk of medical complication.

What is your position on circumcision of females?
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Debby
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Interesting. I found it very compelling.
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Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

From Saturday Night Live, 9/24/77, 3/18/78, and 11/13/99:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/77/77aroyaledeluxe.phtml
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Catmanjac--I was looking for that clip earlier--so glad you found it. The funniest send-up of the old Chrysler commercials where a diamond cutter split a diamond while driving on a bumpy road. As I recall, Garrett Morris was the mohel, and the way he looked up and said "poifect" was, well, poifect!
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catmanjac
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Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It took me a while to find it, and I had preferred to find a video of it but couldn't. As old as it is, I too remember it well... And at the time, I think it may have been done as a real commercial for the Mercury Marquis, stupidly showing a beaker of nitroglycerin on the dashboard with a driver going over bumps, etc. We're both showing our age!
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I remember it too. Funny, funny, funny, dating myself, dating myself, dating myself. How did Garrett Morris look so white in the skit? Are we sure it's him?
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CM, Female circumcision is done, I believe, largely to make women not enjoy sex and thus not stray -- and it has advserse. Male circumcision? Not so much. Don't think there is a parallel here. Quote Wikipedia on infibulation, the most severe form of female circumcision:


Infibulation, in its modern use of the word, is the practice of surgical closure of the female labia majora by sewing them together to seal off the female genitalia, leaving only a small hole for the passage of urine and menstrual blood. This is usually done on young girls around the onset of puberty, to ensure chastity. It is usually linked with female circumcision, or removal of the clitoris and, usually, the labia minora as well, in order to render women theoretically less sexual. Female circumcision is often confused with infibulation, but they are distinct procedures.

These practices are mostly confined to sub-Saharan Africa cultures. They are usually performed without anesthetic and in unsanitary conditions, and without the consent of those infibulated. Many of the subjects of these practices have experienced severe infections and reproductive disorders as a result of these practices, and even death. Infibulation is usually reversed at the time of a girl's marriage by simply cutting the connected tissue.

These practices have been widely condemned by other cultures as barbaric and cruel. According to the United Nations' End Fistula Campaign, this particular form of female genital cutting contributes to the development of organ damage and incontinence resulting from prolonged and unsuccessful efforts to give birth (obstetric fistula).

Historically, infibulation has referred to the suturing of the labia, or suturing the foreskin of the male. This has been performed on slaves in ancient Rome to ensure chastity, as well as voluntarily in some cultures. Without removing tissue, it was intended to prevent sexual intercourse, but not masturbation. The use of the word 'infibulation' has recently been applied to the more severe African practice. Traditionally, the African practice was called pharaonic circumcision, and is not technically infibulation.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 9:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Too much information Michaela. Ewww.

And basically a smokescreen and non-response to the issue at hand. I'd like to start with Jersey Boys supportive reference. "We don't remove the appendix to prevent appendicitis. Nor the breasts to prevent breast cancer. Nor the ovaries and uterus of post-menopausal women to prevent those cancers". Everyone posting replies to this thread keeps avoiding this reasoning because its too rationale and sensible for their simple brains to debate.

Now lets move on to the Bris. There is something very weird and very primitive about a family gathering to watch a sensitive piece of skin removed from the male genitalia of an infant and then 5 minutes later rushing over to the deli platter in the other room. This deliberate fixation on the sex organ just seems very perverted on some level.

Stop the madness.
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FlyingSpaghettiMonst
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heck of a lot better than dumping the kid in a deep pool of water and hoping s/he knows how to hold his/her breath in front of a family gathering who then rush off to eat cucumber sandwiches with the crusts cut off.
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Tom Reingold
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

There's something very primitive about people mashing their genitals together just to conceive a baby. Stop the madness.
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Jersey_Boy
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh crap, I said somthing that Cerebrus Maximus agrees with.

Stop the madness.

J.B.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Flying Spaghetti a fair point and I likewise find the ritual you describe (in colorful terms) intellectually disturbing.

Tom, also a fair point.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jersey Boy.. sorry for that reference to your posting. I know I'm a bit radioactive.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 11:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

A bit?



J.B.
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

XTRA TINY EXCUSE FOR A BRAIN: A Bris is a religious ceremony; no reason or rationalization is necessary. It is written.

And I think you are a rectum. Who will second this?
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Cerebrus Maximus
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catmanjac,

In some cultures (I think the Aztec), there were religious ceremonies with human sacrifices (because it was written). Since this is a religious ritual, and since your belief is that no rationalization is necessary then are you saying that human sacrifice is OK? Of course you are not saying that so your initial argument is weak and tragicly flawed.

So now that we have cleared away that distraction, the truth has not changed. Circumcision is unneccessary. There are plenty of religious ceremonies which are peculiar and disturbing but the bris in particular is very troubling.

I am going to ask you to never post to this thread again since you are seemingly unable to explain in logical terms why this barbaric practice is acceptable.
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Jersey_Boy
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Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 9:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Catmanjac,

Just rectum? No size?

J.B.
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catmanjac
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Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tell me, were you mutilated? And is this why you take the standpoint you do? While there have been unfortunate errors done while circumcising, as with all procedures, a bris is not genital mutilation. If you were an unfortunate victim of an accidental slip of the knife, you have my sympathy. Otherwise, I think cerebus maximus must have penis minimus.
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Lewisinsov
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 3:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I heard the one about the mohel who used to keep the foreskins. When he had enough of them, he tanned them and made a wallet. Not just any wallet - when stroked the right way it would become a briefcase.
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Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And then there was the mohel who sent them to Ireland. And they sent them back as cops. That's why cops are called pri...

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